Colt Cabana sues CM Punk

[y4j1981]

Dec 11, 2018 6:02:18 GMT -5 Spiderf 4 said:

So in theory can a talk show host like Jimmy Fallon or Jimmy Kimmel be also sued if a guest says something inflammatory on their show?

Its not the host but guests have sued for things said. Iam on my phone so cant do it right now but look up how Rip Torn sued Dennis Hopper for things he said on 'The Tonight Show'

[Spiderf 4]

Dec 11, 2018 7:34:35 GMT -5 y4j1981 said:

Dec 11, 2018 6:02:18 GMT -5 Spiderf 4 said:

So in theory can a talk show host like Jimmy Fallon or Jimmy Kimmel be also sued if a guest says something inflammatory on their show?

Its not the host but guests have sued for things said. Iam on my phone so cant do it right now but look up how Rip Torn sued Dennis Hopper for things he said on 'The Tonight Show'

I looked up the story. Dennis Hopper told Jay Leno that Rip Torn once pulled a knife on him. Torn sued Hopper and won. But it's not like Torn tried to sue Leno in addition (or did he?)

[abjordans]

For some reason this story has been so hard for me to get a grip on. Like, I feel like Cabana was really dumb and careless to allow himself to get taken into a situation where he is in a lawsuit with a billion dollar company. Like, you have to have a little foresight when this all first started and You are presented with the option of just answering the demand or your buddy being like “Nah, let’s fight it! I’ll pay!” Like, wouldn’t you think to ask “umm what if it ends up costing a million bucks?”

Next, man, if you want to ruin someone’s life, just start a baseless defamation lawsuit in the state of Illinois. Like, wow, how is it legal that someone can make these allegations against you, you win, and you are just stuck with the legal fees accrued with no option to counter sue? You can just be minding your own business, yet if the court sees a reason to go through with the case, you could potentially be financially ruined. How is that fair?

Lastly, seems really small of Punk to take his anger out on Colt for whatever reason by not paying for this. Like, if you want to cut him off, do it after this or aside from this. You know the guy doesn’t have it like that to cover these bills. And honestly, it is very likely Punk wouldn’t have it like he does to be able to easily foot this bill if he didn’t have Colt to help navigate the first 2/3’s of his career with.

[lildude8218]

Dec 10, 2018 18:26:14 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Colt Cabana should’ve been a multi millionaire.

Punk: Colt Cabana is a hundred-thousandaire who should be a millionaire...

[Final Countdown Jones]

Dec 11, 2018 7:44:11 GMT -5 Spiderf 4 said:

Dec 11, 2018 7:34:35 GMT -5 y4j1981 said:

Its not the host but guests have sued for things said. Iam on my phone so cant do it right now but look up how Rip Torn sued Dennis Hopper for things he said on 'The Tonight Show'

I looked up the story. Dennis Hopper told Jay Leno that Rip Torn once pulled a knife on him. Torn sued Hopper and won. But it's not like Torn tried to sue Leno in addition (or did he?)

It's complicated, and there's a few reasons for this. One, Leno and his show are protected by powerful Hollywood lawyers. Production companies have both in-house legal teams running up and down the spectrum to cover their asses and protect their shows. No way Rip Torn is affording a better legal team than NBC. There's also a difference in response; if Torn demanded a retraction, the legal team would be leaning on them to actually give one, and they wouldn't f*** around with it. Cabana is just one guy with only so much money, and his "out" was in the demand of a retraction, which he didn't give. It's a completely different situation, if only on a matter of relative scale and power for the parties inolved.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Dec 10, 2018 17:18:27 GMT -5 MiLB Fan said:

UPDATE:

According to PWInsider, a judge threw out Cabana’s lawsuit against Punk, but not without prejudice. So, Cabana filed a second suit.

The lawsuit Scott “Colt Cabana” Colton filed this past August against Phil “CM Punk” Brooks, alleging unpaid legal fees and breach of contract (stemming from the lawsuit that WWE physician Doctor Chris Amann filed against the two in regard to Punk's appearance on Cabana's Art of Wrestling podcast) was completely thrown out last month by Judge Daniel Kubasiak of the Cook County Circuit Court in Illinois, leading to Cabana filing a second lawsuit against the former WWE Champion.

As previously reported, Cabana's 15-page lawsuit alleged that "Brooks acted with fraud, malice and oppression toward Colton, with the deliberate intention of causing Colton harm." Cabana is alleging that when Dr. Amann's attorneys contacted him with a cease and desist letter related to the podcast in December 2014, Punk told him not to respond. When Amann filed his lawsuit against them, Cabana alleged that Punk told him, via text, that his legal bills would be covered. Cabana had been asking for $1 Million in punitive and exemplary damages and $200,000 (aka the cost of his representation during the Amann lawsuit) in general damages.

On 10/25, Punk’s attorneys responded to the lawsuit, filing an argument that noted, “At the outset, Plaintiffs Response inappropriately references allegations as "uncontested" facts, not simply in brazen mischaracterization of the record, but also apparent regard to the substantive questions of law which are the subject of Defendant's Motion to Dismiss. Then, building on the shaky foundation of these presumed "facts," Plaintiff doubles down on the very arguments that demonstrate the deficient pleadings contained throughout the

Complaint: first, that Defendant's text messages to Plaintiff regarding the status of and potential response to a demand letter constituted an to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees in a protracted litigation for defamation; second, that as consideration, in return for Defendant "offering" to pay for hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees, Plaintiff' would not remove his own podcast episode for which Plaintiff, and not the Defendant, makes money; and finally, that defendant’s conduct rose to the level of fraud based on the fact that he later stopped paying for Plaintiff’s legal fees.”

On 11/26, The court sided with Punk’s attorneys, ruling that in his original lawsuit, Cabana “has failed to allege that Brooks provided an offer that was definite and certain enough to support an enforceable contract.” The court also ruled that Cabana had not alleged that the two parties agreed that Cabana would not comply with Dr. Amann’s legal demands as consideration for Punk to pay his legal fees. The Court also agreed that Cabana failed to allege “Brooks’ knowledge and intent in making alleged misrepresentations” about paying Cabana’s legal bill. The court also ruled Cabana “has not alleged that Brooks’ representations were part of a scheme to defraud.”

Basically, the court determined that Cabana’s allegations did not meet the standard required by law in the State of Illinois and that he failed to show that anything Punk had done was done with deliberate intent to defraud him. The court also ruled that nothing Cabana had shown was a contract that could be enforceable by law, therefore there were no damages he could go after.

The dismissal was not done with prejudice, allowing Cabana the chance to re-file and once again attempt to sue Punk for damages. That happened ten days later, again before the Cook County Circuit Court in Illinois on 11/26.

In the new 14-page filing, Cabana again alleges that after the now legendary podcast with CM Punk, he received a demand letter from attorneys representing Dr. Chris Amann, noting, “The Demand Letter asserted that Colton had caused the dissemination of certain false statements to the general public regarding Amman and demanded that Colton immediately remove the Podcast from further distribution and "within fourteen (14) days of the date of this letter you execute a retraction of the false and defamatory statements, in a manner and form to be agreed upon."

As previous reported, Cabana went to Punk and Punk informed him he would have his attorney “handle it.” The amended lawsuit noted that Cabana “is informed and believes, and based thereon alleges, that Brooks believed that the Demand Letter was initiated at the behest of the WWE in retaliation for various adverse actions Brooks had taken against, and threats that Brooks had made about, the WWE and its management during Brooks' career with the WWE. Colton is further informed and believes, and based thereon alleges, that Brooks also believed that Brooks' statements about the WWE during the Podcast were likely to lead to litigation against Brooks.”

So, Cabana is now alleging that on that podcast episode, Punk made his statements knowing that WWE would likely come after him legally.

Cabana also noted that after he was told that Punk’s attorney would “handle it” and that Cabana would be “100% covered” (as seen in text messages that Cabana brought forth as evidence):

“Colton notified Brooks of Colton's acceptance of Brooks' offer and agreement to cover 100% any and all liability, attorneys' fees and costs Colton might incur as a result of Colton's failure or refusal to comply with the demands contained in the Demand Letter, in consideration for which Colton agreed that he would: (i) not comply with the demands contained in the Demand Letter and (ii) assist and cooperate with Brooks' defense in any related litigation against Brooks.”

So, Cabana is now claiming that he agreed to assist Punk in the legal battle against Amann in exchange for Punk paying his legal bill and as part of that agreement, agreed not to cooperate with any of Amann’s demands.

Cabana said he did not cooperate with Amann, leading to the lawsuit filed against himself and Punk, which they later won successfully in court via a jury decision. He took on Punk’s attorneys, The Loeb Firm, who noted in writing they "will bill (Brooks) for all of the legal services and expenses that we incur with respect to the Amann Lawsuit" and that "It is our understanding that Phil will be responsible for paying these invoices." Cabana filed copies of those communications with the court.

In the amended lawsuit, Cabana states that Punk paid all the legal bills through late April 2016 (during which Cabana claims that he did everything expected of him, per his agreement with Punk), at which point Cabana alleges that he received an April 2016 email from Punk regarding a financial billing Punk had received from his legal representatives, Loeb & Loeb, with Punk writing, "To date I have spent $513,736 dollars on this Amman lawsuit. My outstanding bill is at least 300K. Half of all this is yours. Divide the 513,736 by 2 that is what you owe me and what I expect you to pay me. Starting now, I will no longer be paying your bills. You are on your own. Whatever my bill is currently, will be cut in half and half will be yours. If you choose to make this all ugly, that's fine too. I hope you won't, but I gave up on you doing what is right a long time ago."

Obviously, there was a schism here between Punk and Cabana for something, but as of this writing, there is nothing filed with the court to explain what happened and obviously, neither side is going to comment while there is ongoing litigation.

Cabana states in the new lawsuit, he informed Loeb & Loeb that he intended to bring on a different attorney to represent him, alleging, “Colton is informed and believes, and based thereon alleges, that Brooks was thereupon advised and knew that if Colton substituted counsel in the Amman Lawsuit, Colton would likely attempt to enter into a separate settlement agreement to terminate the Amann Lawsuit as to Colton and that if such a settlement could be effectuated, Colton would no longer assist or cooperate in Brooks' defense in the Amman Lawsuit.”

So, Cabana is now stating that if Punk wasn’t going to pay his legal fees and if he was going to have to get his own attorney, Punk allegedly knew that Cabana would settle with Amann and no longer assist Punk’s own defense.

Cabana is also alleging that when he was later told by Punk's attorney that he would continue to represent Cabana, even if Cabana wasn't paying the fees, as long there "is no conflict between you and Phil that prevents me from morally and ethically representing you.”, that was allegedly something the attorney did at the behest of Punk in order to protect Punk’s own legal case.

Cabana retained Loeb & Loeb until March 2017, when he claimed that he was forced to hire his own representation. In the lawsuit, Cabana stated he was "informed and believed" that Punk caused Loeb & Loeb to withdraw as Cabana's attorney and that it was done after all discovery regarding Cabana had been completed in the lawsuit and done even though there was nothing that prevented Punk’s attorneys from representing Cabana morally and ethically.

After their courtroom victory over Amann's lawsuit, Cabana's attorneys approached Punk, seeking payment of $200,000, the cost of Cabana's legal fees post-Loeb & Loeb. Punk turned that overture down, leading to Cabana's now amended breach of contract lawsuit.

In the amended lawsuit, Cabana now alleges that had Brooks not entered into an agreement with him, Cabana would have “complied with each of Amann’s demands in the Demand Letter” and would not have assisted or cooperated in Brooks’ defense in the Amann lawsuit. He also claims that had it not been for the agreement between the two, he would have hired his own lawyer to pursue a settlement with Amann and “in the event such a settlement agreement was effectuated, would have ceased to assist or cooperate in Brooks’ defense in the Amann lawsuit.”

Cabana also stated that per his obligations to Punk, he “later assisted and cooperated in Brooks’ defense” of the Amann lawsuit and per a “renewed Indemnity Agreement” (which he is claiming was created when Punk’s attorneys agreed to keep him on without Cabana having to pay them), “ Colton did not substitute counsel in, or attempt to enter into a separate settlement agreement to terminate, the Amman Lawsuit as to Colton.”

Cabana also stated that he is “informed and believed” that had he just complied with the Amann demand letter, he never would have been a defendant and never would have suffered any costs over the defense of the lawsuit, costing him personally more than $200,000.

Cabana’s lawsuit claimed, “Brooks breached each of the Indemnity Agreement and the Renewed Indemnity Agreement by failing to cover any of Colton's costs, expenses and attorney fees incurred in connection with defending against the claims made against Colton in the Amman Lawsuit after March 10, 2017.”

Noting that Brooks has refused to reimburse those costs, Cabana is now asking for damages of at least $200,000 from Punk. He was asking for $1 Million in punitive and exemplary damages and $200,000 (aka the cost of his representation during the Amann lawsuit) in general damages in the original lawsuit. He is seeking a jury trial.

In speaking to a lawyer who follows professional wrestling, he estimated that Punk’s own total legal bill for the Amann lawsuit is likely in the high-six figure or low-seven figure range, based on the amount of time and work that went into building the case. The same source stated that the new suit that is filed is very similar to the first, just worded differently and now alleging that Cabana wouldn't have helped Punk at all had they not come to the now-disputed agreement over Punk paying the legal fees.

Punk is required to respond to the latest lawsuit by 12/28.

There will be a case conference before the court on 1/4/19 to see where things stand.

Thanks to Billy Krotchsen for all his help and assistance with this story

pwinsider.com/article/122387/cabana-lawsuit-against-cm-punk-dismissed-cabana-files-second-lawsuit.html?p=1

This is so grating to me. When you file a lawsuit you file a document called a complaint. The order that was probably entered was that the complaint was dismissed, with a certain amount of time to re-plead it. No attorney would call it filing a new lawsuit.

This is how almost all legal reporting reads to me - at a minimum slightly off in its use of terms of art, at worse completely wrong. I imagine it is the same way reading science reporting if you are a scientist.

Unfortunately I no longer work at the Circuit Court of Cook County, so I can't pull up these documents at my desk like I could for the CM Punk suit.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Dec 11, 2018 3:18:21 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's absolutely insane that the doctor who started this and lost handily isn't in any way responsible for their legal fees.

Because he was backed by the machine and unfortunately for Colt he’s collateral damage from this fall out

[Brian Suntan]

Dec 11, 2018 6:02:18 GMT -5 Spiderf 4 said:

So in theory can a talk show host like Jimmy Fallon or Jimmy Kimmel be also sued if a guest says something inflammatory on their show? Seriously, Colt Cabana better get his money.

Not the host, but the production company would be. If you give someone a platform to speak unchallenged, you're liable if they say something defamatory.

I was once at a newspaper who were threatened with legal action, because we posted a video of a press conference where the local sports team's manager alleged that their upcoming opponents were in serious financial trouble and couldn't afford to pay their players.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Dec 11, 2018 5:46:45 GMT -5 @cyclonechyno said:

So what’s different in the lawsuit to give Cabana hope in succeeding?

Essentially changing his legal argument. The state laws couldn’t enforce it if I’m reading it correctly and even tho Punk said he would pay for legal expenses and he didn’t, in that case Punk wasn’t intentionally trying to cheat him

Now, Colt can come back with somewhat the same argument in a different light with different wording. If Punk knew their would be legal trouble and then when the trouble came he promised to help Colt and didn’t then he would liable.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 11, 2018 10:10:41 GMT -5 lildude8218 said:

Dec 10, 2018 18:26:14 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Colt Cabana should’ve been a multi millionaire.

Punk: Colt Cabana is a hundred-thousandaire who should be a millionaire...

Unfortunately I think it’s worse. Like a year and a half ago in the podcast, Colt said that he qualified for food stamps.

[nickcave]

Dec 11, 2018 13:08:31 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dec 11, 2018 10:10:41 GMT -5 lildude8218 said:

Punk: Colt Cabana is a hundred-thousandaire who should be a millionaire...

Unfortunately I think it’s worse. Like a year and a half ago in the podcast, Colt said that he qualified for food stamps.

I imagine being an independent contractor doesn't help. Say what you will about WWE but at least it's stable income. Yes they are also technically "independent contractors" but we all know how BS that actually is.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 11, 2018 13:16:38 GMT -5 nickcave said:

Dec 11, 2018 13:08:31 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Unfortunately I think it’s worse. Like a year and a half ago in the podcast, Colt said that he qualified for food stamps.

I imagine being an independent contractor doesn't help. Say what you will about WWE but at least it's stable income. Yes they are also technically "independent contractors" but we all know how BS that actually is.

I think he now has medical insurance but Colt once told a story about trying to hide that he was a wrestler, only for the guy at the insurance company to recognize Colt because he was a huge wrestling fan. At the end Colt wasn’t insured...

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Dec 11, 2018 12:23:20 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Dec 11, 2018 5:46:45 GMT -5 @cyclonechyno said:

So what’s different in the lawsuit to give Cabana hope in succeeding?

Essentially changing his legal argument. The state laws couldn’t enforce it if I’m reading it correctly and even tho Punk said he would pay for legal expenses and he didn’t, in that case Punk wasn’t intentionally trying to cheat him

Now, Colt can come back with somewhat the same argument in a different light with different wording. If Punk knew their would be legal trouble and then when the trouble came he promised to help Colt and didn’t then he would liable.

Ah okay

I hope he wins, people like Punk are the reason the phrase “With friends like them, who needs enemies” was invented

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Dec 11, 2018 13:08:31 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dec 11, 2018 10:10:41 GMT -5 lildude8218 said:

Punk: Colt Cabana is a hundred-thousandaire who should be a millionaire...

Unfortunately I think it’s worse. Like a year and a half ago in the podcast, Colt said that he qualified for food stamps.

This is why it irks me when people act like Colt was Punk's Brutus Beefcake, only hired because of his association with Punk, when ultimately, that association has probably cost him far more than he's ever benefited. He worked his arse off to become an indie name, got hired by the WWE on his own merits and if the rumours that were circulating around the time are true, he got buried and canned to send a message to Punk. He picks himself up, dusts himself off and builds his own little podcast empire and shills his heart out, only for Punk to screw that up for him too with the lawsuit and getting the WWE to ban all their talent from appearing on his show. He wins the suit which he never should have been part of and Punk stiffs him on legal fees, wiping away all his hard work in one fell swoop, because Colt gave his friend a platform... Fantastic.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Dec 11, 2018 15:17:38 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Dec 11, 2018 13:08:31 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Unfortunately I think it’s worse. Like a year and a half ago in the podcast, Colt said that he qualified for food stamps.

This is why it irks me when people act like Colt was Punk's Brutus Beefcake, only hired because of his association with Punk, when ultimately, that association has probably cost him far more than he's ever benefited. He worked his arse off to become an indie name, got hired by the WWE on his own merits and if the rumours that were circulating around the time are true, he got buried and canned to send a message to Punk. He picks himself up, dusts himself off and builds his own little podcast empire and shills his heart out, only for Punk to screw that up for him too with the lawsuit and getting the WWE to ban all their talent from appearing on his show. He wins the suit which he never should have been part of and Punk stiffs him on legal fees, wiping away all his hard work in one fell swoop, because Colt gave his friend a platform... Fantastic.

Yea, the biggest thing is when it comes down to it when WWE came calling saying take that podcast down or face legal action that should been the end all be all. Punk not thinking of his friend best interest says nah if anything happens I got your back. Maybe he was a fool in thinking this wouldn't spiral out of control but you're dealing with the machine and you know they going to bring the hammer and while you are wealthy, you don't have enough cash to fight that back

If this was someone besides Punk, I have no doubt Colt would have taken this down but his best friend supposedly had his back and Colt may pay a big price for that. Like I said Colt is collateral damage in a situation he had no beef and that's no doubt f***ed up

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 11, 2018 15:17:38 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Dec 11, 2018 13:08:31 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Unfortunately I think it’s worse. Like a year and a half ago in the podcast, Colt said that he qualified for food stamps.

This is why it irks me when people act like Colt was Punk's Brutus Beefcake, only hired because of his association with Punk, when ultimately, that association has probably cost him far more than he's ever benefited. He worked his arse off to become an indie name, got hired by the WWE on his own merits and if the rumours that were circulating around the time are true, he got buried and canned to send a message to Punk. He picks himself up, dusts himself off and builds his own little podcast empire and shills his heart out, only for Punk to screw that up for him too with the lawsuit and getting the WWE to ban all their talent from appearing on his show. He wins the suit which he never should have been part of and Punk stiffs him on legal fees, wiping away all his hard work in one fell swoop, because Colt gave his friend a platform... Fantastic.

Unfortunately Colt wishes he got the Beefcake money. Colt is the opposite Beefcake, instead of getting opportunities and money, Colt only got fired and humiliated because of that relationship.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 11, 2018 15:42:58 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Dec 11, 2018 15:17:38 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

This is why it irks me when people act like Colt was Punk's Brutus Beefcake, only hired because of his association with Punk, when ultimately, that association has probably cost him far more than he's ever benefited. He worked his arse off to become an indie name, got hired by the WWE on his own merits and if the rumours that were circulating around the time are true, he got buried and canned to send a message to Punk. He picks himself up, dusts himself off and builds his own little podcast empire and shills his heart out, only for Punk to screw that up for him too with the lawsuit and getting the WWE to ban all their talent from appearing on his show. He wins the suit which he never should have been part of and Punk stiffs him on legal fees, wiping away all his hard work in one fell swoop, because Colt gave his friend a platform... Fantastic.

Yea, the biggest thing is when it comes down to it when WWE came calling saying take that podcast down or face legal action that should been the end all be all. Punk not thinking of his friend best interest says nah if anything happens I got your back. Maybe he was a fool in thinking this wouldn't spiral out of control but you're dealing with the machine and you know they going to bring the hammer and while you are wealthy, you don't have enough cash to fight that back

If this was someone besides Punk, I have no doubt Colt would have taken this down but his best friend supposedly had his back and Colt may pay a big price for that. Like I said Colt is collateral damage in a situation he had no beef and that's no doubt f***ed up

They never expected that Amann and the wwe would take it that far.

For the time being, Punk is the heel in this situation, but I need to know more because everyone in their inner circle, Compton, Ace Steel, and Lou D’Angeli took Punk’s side.

I don’t think anyone is gonna come out looking good out of this.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Dec 11, 2018 15:57:08 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dec 11, 2018 15:42:58 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Yea, the biggest thing is when it comes down to it when WWE came calling saying take that podcast down or face legal action that should been the end all be all. Punk not thinking of his friend best interest says nah if anything happens I got your back. Maybe he was a fool in thinking this wouldn't spiral out of control but you're dealing with the machine and you know they going to bring the hammer and while you are wealthy, you don't have enough cash to fight that back

If this was someone besides Punk, I have no doubt Colt would have taken this down but his best friend supposedly had his back and Colt may pay a big price for that. Like I said Colt is collateral damage in a situation he had no beef and that's no doubt f***ed up

They never expected that Amann and the wwe would take it that far.

For the time being, Punk is the heel in this situation, but I need to know more because everyone in their inner circle, Compton, Ace Steel, and Lou D’Angeli took Punk’s side.

I don’t think anyone is gonna come out looking good out of this.

And that's both their fault for being so dumb in that regard. Punk for thinking this wasn't going to go so far and forgetting that Amann is on WWE payroll and they will pay for those expenses and dumb for Colt for getting talked into keeping the podcast up when WWE sent that letter. Punk being your friend or not, your ass is on the line too and the worst case scenario in regards to money lost happened

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 11, 2018 16:23:05 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Dec 11, 2018 15:57:08 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

They never expected that Amann and the wwe would take it that far.

For the time being, Punk is the heel in this situation, but I need to know more because everyone in their inner circle, Compton, Ace Steel, and Lou D’Angeli took Punk’s side.

I don’t think anyone is gonna come out looking good out of this.

And that's both their fault for being so dumb in that regard. Punk for thinking this wasn't going to go so far and forgetting that Amann is on WWE payroll and they will pay for those expenses and dumb for Colt for getting talked into keeping the podcast up when WWE sent that letter. Punk being your friend or not, your ass is on the line too and the worst case scenario in regards to money lost happened

Well Amann had no case to begin with and it never happened before that the wwe bankrolled an employee’s lawsuit just to f*** someone else, that being said, Cabana should’ve asked Punk to sign a contract promising to pay his legal fees.

And the wwe never sent that letter, it was Amann, later Punk found out that the wwe bankrolled it. Amann as a doctor probably gets good money but not that much to keep a huge lawsuit going for almost four years.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Amann did have a case a weak one but he had one enough to make it to court.