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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 7, 2018 21:58:41 GMT -5
Just seems like it would have been easier to go "Once again, I'm sorry about that. I don't feel that way now..."
Just from a face-saving standpoint it woulda been simpler. Shit, one could still feel that it was unnecessary but do it anyway just to be nice.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Dec 7, 2018 22:16:33 GMT -5
LOL at the Oscars being a "dream job." Then why aren't people lined up to do it? To use it as a calling card to the hundreds of directors, producers and studios execs that are watching it? To get to show off knowing every A-list contemporary is watching them? Yeah, to a lot of them it is a dream job Also, they don't really take applications for the position. Which isn't necessary for Hart. Dude kills in standup, has hosted SNL a few times, has put out at least a movie or two the past few years. Most of which have been financially successful. He writes, he produces. He doesn't need this shit. Hosting the Oscars is like putting shit on his sundae, not a cherry.
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Post by chrom on Dec 7, 2018 22:33:01 GMT -5
Just seems like it would have been easier to go "Once again, I'm sorry about that. I don't feel that way now..."Just from a face-saving standpoint it woulda been simpler. Shit, one could still feel that it was unnecessary but do it anyway just to be nice. Because even then if they do that like some have, there will still be people calling for them to be publicly beheaded.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 7, 2018 22:56:27 GMT -5
Could still say ya did it. Then those people would look completely unreasonable.
Realistically it would have taken no more time or energy.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 8, 2018 1:42:36 GMT -5
Then how about Doug Stanhope? You can find all kinds of shit on him and he doesn't care because he's perfectly content with how "famous" he is and the money he has. So, they can fling away. I saw Stanhope a few months ago. He literally admitted to doing way worse things than Louis Ck. The difference is, he's not nearly as famous as CK. So he's not as big of a "prize" for those weirdos that want to bring everyone down. That's true. He got himself tangled up in Johnny Depp's divorce, but that's really the only mainstream press he's gotten in years and years and years.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Dec 8, 2018 2:28:39 GMT -5
Yeah but what’s considered “offensive” has, is and always will vary. We’re just living in particularly precarious times. No, we're not. It just seems that way with the internet. People have found ways to be offended for years. Elvis offended people by dancing. John Lennon offended people by making an off-hand comment about Jesus and the popularity of The Beatles. People were offended over 2 Live Crew and Married with Children. People were offended over shows in the 70s. This is nothing new. Also it used to be perfectly ok to drop the n-word in conversation or to say "colored folk". That's not considered OK anymore. Views change and evolve. Agreed, except everything people were offended by back then continued on, offending people without care. Elvis and The Beatles were still huge, Married With Children continued on for years, etc. Now, shows get cancelled, careers get killed, people become persona non grata. Offending people has always been a thing, but offending people in 2018 is a thing that could irreparably ruin you.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 8, 2018 2:54:37 GMT -5
And offending people back then meant people trying to get things outright censored by the government. I mean, we live in an era where words like "shit" and "dick" are starting to be said on basic cable networks when that wouldn't even be considered as recently as 10 years ago because the networks didn't want outraged family groups lobbying the FCC into regulating (and censoring) cable networks like they do with broadcast networks.
It just seems worse now than in the days of yore because of recency bias and/or nostalgia filter. But shit was f***ed up especially in the 80's and early 90's.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Dec 8, 2018 7:19:04 GMT -5
No, we're not. It just seems that way with the internet. People have found ways to be offended for years. Elvis offended people by dancing. John Lennon offended people by making an off-hand comment about Jesus and the popularity of The Beatles. People were offended over 2 Live Crew and Married with Children. People were offended over shows in the 70s. This is nothing new. Also it used to be perfectly ok to drop the n-word in conversation or to say "colored folk". That's not considered OK anymore. Views change and evolve. Agreed, except everything people were offended by back then continued on, offending people without care. Elvis and The Beatles were still huge, Married With Children continued on for years, etc. Now, shows get cancelled, careers get killed, people become persona non grata. Offending people has always been a thing, but offending people in 2018 is a thing that could irreparably ruin you. Maybe you should ask yourself why these people are losing their jobs? Maybe their losing their jobs by making homophobic and racist comments and this isn't a bad thing. Like I said earlier, you say bad things, you have to answer for them. It's not like Roseanne came out and said she was bigger than Jesus. She compared a black woman to an ape. Kevin Hart made homophobic comments. This isn't OK, despite what some with victim complexes believe.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Dec 8, 2018 9:54:02 GMT -5
We have bred this. To have spent decades treating others as inferior is going to create a Fringe crowd.
Unfortunately moderate LGBTQ people like me and other people who get it will be ignored for the assholes who dig up Tweets and labeled with them.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Dec 8, 2018 11:44:32 GMT -5
Agreed, except everything people were offended by back then continued on, offending people without care. Elvis and The Beatles were still huge, Married With Children continued on for years, etc. Now, shows get cancelled, careers get killed, people become persona non grata. Offending people has always been a thing, but offending people in 2018 is a thing that could irreparably ruin you. Maybe you should ask yourself why these people are losing their jobs? Maybe their losing their jobs by making homophobic and racist comments and this isn't a bad thing. Like I said earlier, you say bad things, you have to answer for them. It's not like Roseanne came out and said she was bigger than Jesus. She compared a black woman to an ape. Kevin Hart made homophobic comments. This isn't OK, despite what some with victim complexes believe. Not disagreeing, just pointing out that 2018 is different from previous eras where people were offended, and is definitely “precarious” as the person you responded to first said.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 8, 2018 12:09:01 GMT -5
Another thing is that social media democratizes outrage easier than in past years where you'd have to organize protests or be part of a well-connected group, so it SEEMS like there's more of a so-called "outrage culture" than in previous years when it's mostly the same. It also allows for more marginalized elements of society to be heard easier than before, for good (people with marginalized race, gender identity, or sexual orientation) or for ill (hate groups).
The outrage has always been there because we've always been great at pissing each other off over perceived differences. It's just harder to ignore now.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 8, 2018 12:31:12 GMT -5
Outrage culture has always been there, as long as I can remember there were right wing groups pushing to try and roll society back to a 1950s paradise that never existed outside of TV, where everyone went to church, never cursed and 'knew their place'. The difference now is those groups have turned to painting people with legitimate complaints as whiners and SJWs to try and halt all social progress so they can say whatever they like, oppress anyone unlike them, and people online lap it up because they don't like being told what to do and being reminded that there are consequences to being an arse and that words mean things.
Kevin Hart's homophobic past isn't something dragged up out of nowhere, people have been calling him out on it for years and he's never apologised or shown remorse for it. He stopped using slurs on twitter when he started to hit the big time, because he knew people would be offended, he's had years to apologise in some form, but instead his attitude has been 'nah, all the gay slurs and skits about not wanting a gay son are just jokes.' Alrighty then. This isn't material dug up from his late teens, he was an adult in the 21st century and was aware of what he said, he hasn't apologised or admitted what he said was wrong so deserves the backlash.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 14:33:15 GMT -5
Seems Nick Cannon's found some old homophobic tweets from Amy Schumer, Chelsea Handler and Sarah Silverman all happening later than Hart's tweets. It's starting to get traction now so I'm wondering what the backlash will be for these 3 women.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 8, 2018 14:53:29 GMT -5
Seems Nick Cannon's found some old homophobic tweets from Amy Schumer, Chelsea Handler and Sarah Silverman all happening later than Hart's tweets. It's starting to get traction now so I'm wondering what the backlash will be for these 3 women. It won't be any until it is time for them to do something important just like Hart
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 15:02:24 GMT -5
Seems Nick Cannon's found some old homophobic tweets from Amy Schumer, Chelsea Handler and Sarah Silverman all happening later than Hart's tweets. It's starting to get traction now so I'm wondering what the backlash will be for these 3 women. It won't be any until it is time for them to do something important just like Hart Yep that's absolutely right. Absolutely.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 15:16:31 GMT -5
He could've just apologized instead of making himself a victim in all this. It's easy to not post homophobic shit on the internet. Like really easy. Especially obvious homophobic shit. He was a grown as man when those tweets occurred. Should've just owned up to it, and let the tide come as it may.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 15:19:43 GMT -5
Seems Nick Cannon's found some old homophobic tweets from Amy Schumer, Chelsea Handler and Sarah Silverman all happening later than Hart's tweets. It's starting to get traction now so I'm wondering what the backlash will be for these 3 women. Silverman been getting backlash about her blackface and shit, just no one listens. Schumer gets backlash for a whole host of shit as well. Chelsea Handler's homophobia has been an issue for folks, but again, no one listens to those affected. Really if Hart was hosting literally any other show, and if he didn't go on a delete spree that drew attention, this wouldn't be a story.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 8, 2018 16:01:04 GMT -5
Hey, watch this. I'm sorry. It's not that goddamn hard. Zero sympathy. My understanding is that he apologized several times in the past and felt that it was counter-productive to do so every time someone dug up old things that he apologized in the past for. Apparently he thought that doing so every time someone did so would simply encourage more digging and subsequent scandals every time someone new dug up the same material. While I get that, what in the hell is wrong with the stock response of "I have commented on this very material in the past and continue to acknowledge that it was wrong and insensitive. I am not that same person and would appreciate if people did not keep trying to judge me for past actions I have repeatedly apologized for"?
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Post by hassanchop on Dec 9, 2018 2:30:09 GMT -5
Seems Nick Cannon's found some old homophobic tweets from Amy Schumer, Chelsea Handler and Sarah Silverman all happening later than Hart's tweets. It's starting to get traction now so I'm wondering what the backlash will be for these 3 women. This is it, language warning though: people.com/movies/nick-cannon-defends-kevin-hart-homophobic-tweets-amy-schumer-sarah-silverman-chelsea-handler/amp/{Spoiler}Nick Cannon Defends Kevin Hart By Posting Old Homophobic Tweets from Female Comedians
KEVIN WINTER/GETTY IMAGES; AMANDA EDWARDS/WIREIMAGE; ALLEN BEREZOVSKY/GETTY IMAGES MARIA PASQUINIPosted on December 08, 2018 5:53PM In an attempt to defend Kevin Hart, who stepped down from hosting the Academy Awards following a backlash over his past homophobic comments, Nick Cannon has resurfaced old tweets from Amy Schumer, Sarah Silverman and Chelsea Handler that he says also used homophobic language. “Interesting,” Cannon, 38, tweeted on Friday evening alongside an old tweet of Handler’s from 2010. “I wonder if there was any backlash here…” In the message, she wrote, “This is what a f— bird likes like when he flexes,” including a photo that is no longer available.
Cannon went on to share a 2012 tweet from Schumer, in which the comedian wrote, “Enjoy skyfall f—. I’m bout to get knee deep in Helen Hunt #thesessions.” “I’m just saying… should we keep going???” he captioned the message. He also resurfaced a 2010 tweet from Silverman — who recently said she cringes at “material I did 10 years ago” — where she wrote, “I dont mean this in a hateful way but the new bachelorette’s a f—.”
“And I f— love Wreck it Ralph!!! 🤦🏾♂️,” he wrote alongside the tweet, referring to the movie Ralph Breaks the Internet. He included an emoji of a black man and the mars symbol, which is used to signify the male sex. Speaking about her past mistakes, Silverman recently told The Guardian, “All I can do is learn from it, be changed forever by it, and do what I can to make it right going forward.” “Certainly stuff that I did 10 or 15 years ago, I cringe at now,” she continued, adding that she now sees the jokes “very differently.”
In an interview with Variety published in November, Silverman also addressed the fact that she doesn’t mind holding herself accountable to her past remarks. “I feel like unless you can admit to those things, you can’t be changed by them and you can’t even forgive yourself for them,” she shared. Reps for Schumer, Silverman and Handler did not immediately respond to PEOPLE’s requests for comment about Cannon’s tweets.
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In response to a fan who asked him to “audit” his own tweets, Cannon replied, “Nope!!” “You know I’ve been saying f— up s— since twitter started! I don’t play that politically correct bulls—! F— politics!! Only Truth!” he added. However, as another Twitter user who looked through Cannon’s old tweets pointed out, the Wild ‘n Out creator and host previously spoke out against comedians and black men for making homophobic remarks in the past.
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In one tweet from 2010, Cannon wrote, “Honest question: why are we as Black men so homophobic?” In a 2012 message, Cannon remarked, “If your best joke includes ‘gay’ or ‘F—’ you should be kicked of [sic] Twitter this ain’t the 3d grade!” “Idgi, @nickcannon. If what you said in 2010 and 2012 still holds, why not hold Kevin accountable?” the Twitter users wrote, before addressing the tweets from Schumer, Silverman and Handler.
“I don’t like any of the white women you ‘exposed’ lol. So do you. But how you gonna go after white women because a Black man was wrong, @nickcannon ?” the social media user added. RELATED: Kevin Hart Once Admitted Homophobic Remarks Can ‘Throw You Under the Bus’: We’re ‘Too Sensitive’ Shortly after it was announced earlier this week that Hart would be hosting the prestigious awards show, Cannon shared a supportive message for his pal online.
“Couldn’t be happier for this a—!! @kevinhart4real,” Cannon tweeted. “Real talk my bro deserves every bit of what God is blessing him with. The hardest working, kindest and most genuine dude… “ He was also supportive of a video Hart posted after the backlash had begun, where the Night School star shared he wouldn’t be apologizing for his remarks because he already “addressed this several times.” “We with you regardless!!!” Cannon wrote, commenting on Hart’s Instagram video. “You know how we feel about people trying to control us anyway!!”
Hart did eventually go on to apologize. “I have made the choice to step down from hosting this year’s Oscar’s….this is because I do not want to be a distraction on a night that should be celebrated by so many amazing talented artists. I sincerely apologize to the LGBTQ community for my insensitive words from my past,” he tweeted shortly after he shared he would be stepping down from hosting the Oscars. “I’m sorry that I hurt people.. I am evolving and want to continue to do so. My goal is to bring people together not tear us apart,” Hart added. “Much love & appreciation to the Academy. I hope we can meet again.”
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Post by Frosty on Dec 9, 2018 3:05:22 GMT -5
You can't "defend" a person's homophobic comments by posting another person's homophobic comments. Shit is stupid. Lol.
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