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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 9, 2018 3:11:05 GMT -5
Hey, watch this. I'm sorry. It's not that goddamn hard. Zero sympathy. My understanding is that he apologized several times in the past and felt that it was counter-productive to do so every time someone dug up old things that he apologized in the past for. Apparently he thought that doing so every time someone did so would simply encourage more digging and subsequent scandals every time someone new dug up the same material. While I get that, what in the hell is wrong with the stock response of "I have commented on this very material in the past and continue to acknowledge that it was wrong and insensitive. I am not that same person and would appreciate if people did not keep trying to judge me for past actions I have repeatedly apologized for"? Care to link to one of these interviews where he's apologised? The closest thing I can find is things like the interview with Rolling stone from 2015 where he addressed and tried to justify a joke where he said he viewed his child being gay as his failure as a parent (but he said he's not homophobic so that makes it not homophobic to see his child being gay as a failure... Because reasons?) and that he wouldn't tell it these days because people are more sensitive and it would be setting himself up for failure. www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/kevin-harts-funny-business-67836/That doesn't read as an apology to me, that's more 'I'm not openly telling gay jokes as I have more to lose now.' It seems to be his attitude even now. It wasn't okay to make 'jokes' about breaking a dollhouse over his sons head if he caught him playing with it back in 2010, he was an adult and a rising star who knew that it wasn't alright back then and he knows that it's not alright now. He's been addressing these issues since he hit the big time, but addressing isn't the same thing as apologising. It's easy to admit you said something on video that was seen by millions, it's also easy to say 'I shouldn't have thrown gay people under the bus for cheap laughs', but he's refused to do so, and given that he's been faced with criticism over it for years now, there are older interviews where it's been brought up, that is pretty telling.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 9, 2018 3:23:47 GMT -5
Everybody says dumb shit.
I bet the perpetually offended up in arms about this, if you dig through their social media, you'd find offensive and stupid shit.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 9, 2018 3:41:08 GMT -5
Everybody says dumb shit. I bet the perpetually offended up in arms about this, if you dig through their social media, you'd find offensive and stupid shit. You do know he wasn't a dumb teenager and that it wasn't just social media, right? He was in his thirties, was homophobic in his live comedy work and people have been criticising him for it for years prior to this. People have brought it up in interviews and he's refused to show any sort of remorse.
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Post by hassanchop on Dec 9, 2018 4:02:32 GMT -5
You can't "defend" a person's homophobic comments by posting another person's homophobic comments. Shit is stupid. Lol. Doesn't sound much of defense and more of painting the hypocrisy of the "offended" side. I'm worried this will be a new thing, Bobcat Goldwaith even did this to some celebrities that condemned James Gunn for his words. Everybody says dumb shit. I bet the perpetually offended up in arms about this, if you dig through their social media, you'd find offensive and stupid shit. If you dig through all media you'll find losta offensive and stupid shit because something always offends someone. You know the saying, you can't please everyone.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 9, 2018 4:24:40 GMT -5
You can't "defend" a person's homophobic comments by posting another person's homophobic comments. Shit is stupid. Lol. Doesn't sound much of defense and more of painting the hypocrisy of the "offended" side. I'm worried this will be a new thing, Bobcat Goldwaith even did this to some celebrities that condemned James Gunn for his words. Silverman at least has been honest enough to accept she's said some offensive shit in the past and is committed to holding herself to the same standard as she holds others to. Not so sure about Schumer, and I have no idea who the third woman is, so can't comment on her.
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Post by mattperiolat on Dec 9, 2018 9:23:14 GMT -5
I think Hart stepped down, the Academy didn't rescind the invitation or ask him to back down. He did it himself. And he's apologized. Several times. He said he's not going to keep doing it, which is totally understandable. Why not bring back the weird year Hugh Jackman hosted? Or the James Franco trainwreck. I thought Seth Macfarlane was fine. Dude is funny, he can sing. Isn't that what they had with Billy Crystal? Seth sang that "We Saw Your Boobs" song last time, so he's out. Yeah, Hollywood elite didn’t like that. Academy producers were basically told he can never host again or they won’t participate. I’m fine with either Hugh Jackman or Jimmy Kimmel again. Hell, bring Billy Crystal back if you must. The bigger issue with Oscars these days isn’t the host, it’s relevance. I’m all for independent movies getting their due, but when more mainstream movies are not given the time of day, you eventually ask what is the point?
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Post by arrogantmodel on Dec 9, 2018 9:41:36 GMT -5
Kyler Murray! You're the next contestant on this bullshit show. You literally just won the Heisman trophy. But guess what? You said "queer" a few too many times when you were fourteen years old. You're a horrible person who shouldn't have any kind of success in life. Congratulations.
Seriously, f*** this shit.
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Post by MAGGLE on Dec 9, 2018 10:32:42 GMT -5
I think we should just fire every person that doesnt act the way we like them too or just slipped up once in 30+ years. That'll show everybody, those ignorant racist people had it coming.
Soon we will be living in a perfect society without immoral people...also we will be extinct because no one can get laid.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 9, 2018 11:55:54 GMT -5
I think we should just fire every person that doesnt act the way we like them too or just slipped up once in 30+ years. That'll show everybody, those ignorant racist people had it coming. Soon we will be living in a perfect society without immoral people...also we will be extinct because no one can get laid. ...How do you go from "don't be a homophobic" to "don't have sex"?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 9, 2018 11:57:49 GMT -5
Not sure about Kevin Hart, but seeing this guy a lot in this thread.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2018 12:24:28 GMT -5
Kyler Murray! You're the next contestant on this bullshit show. You literally just won the Heisman trophy. But guess what? You said "queer" a few too many times when you were fourteen years old. You're a horrible person who shouldn't have any kind of success in life. Congratulations. Seriously, f*** this shit. Yea, that's a major example of some big troll shit
You are trying to kill this dudes big day by revealing some shit he said as a teenager that he now has to acknowledge and answer for
If he said these things over the last 3 years or so then that is one thing but to bring up something he said as a teenager. Why would a person really go through all that time and effort to essentially try and ruin a moment for a person he doesn't know and won't even meet
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2018 12:25:45 GMT -5
I think we should just fire every person that doesnt act the way we like them too or just slipped up once in 30+ years. That'll show everybody, those ignorant racist people had it coming. Soon we will be living in a perfect society without immoral people...also we will be extinct because no one can get laid. ...How do you go from "don't be a homophobic" to " don't have sex"? Didn't someone create a dead serious thread about that a few months ago?
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Post by MAGGLE on Dec 9, 2018 12:25:55 GMT -5
I think we should just fire every person that doesnt act the way we like them too or just slipped up once in 30+ years. That'll show everybody, those ignorant racist people had it coming. Soon we will be living in a perfect society without immoral people...also we will be extinct because no one can get laid. ...How do you go from "don't be a homophobic" to "don't have sex"? If you care enough to call him a homophob for that, you probably don´t get any because you would be a hysterical little complainer...btw I am just explaining it to you. Not calling you any names.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Dec 9, 2018 13:22:26 GMT -5
...How do you go from "don't be a homophobic" to " don't have sex"? Didn't someone create a dead serious thread about that a few months ago? officialfan.proboards.com/thread/568033/outlawedI don't believe he was serious, but he was looking for attention and knew what he was doing.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 9, 2018 13:35:19 GMT -5
My understanding is that he apologized several times in the past and felt that it was counter-productive to do so every time someone dug up old things that he apologized in the past for. Apparently he thought that doing so every time someone did so would simply encourage more digging and subsequent scandals every time someone new dug up the same material. While I get that, what in the hell is wrong with the stock response of "I have commented on this very material in the past and continue to acknowledge that it was wrong and insensitive. I am not that same person and would appreciate if people did not keep trying to judge me for past actions I have repeatedly apologized for"? Care to link to one of these interviews where he's apologised? The closest thing I can find is things like the interview with Rolling stone from 2015 where he addressed and tried to justify a joke where he said he viewed his child being gay as his failure as a parent (but he said he's not homophobic so that makes it not homophobic to see his child being gay as a failure... Because reasons?) and that he wouldn't tell it these days because people are more sensitive and it would be setting himself up for failure. www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/kevin-harts-funny-business-67836/That doesn't read as an apology to me, that's more 'I'm not openly telling gay jokes as I have more to lose now.' It seems to be his attitude even now. It wasn't okay to make 'jokes' about breaking a dollhouse over his sons head if he caught him playing with it back in 2010, he was an adult and a rising star who knew that it wasn't alright back then and he knows that it's not alright now. He's been addressing these issues since he hit the big time, but addressing isn't the same thing as apologising. It's easy to admit you said something on video that was seen by millions, it's also easy to say 'I shouldn't have thrown gay people under the bus for cheap laughs', but he's refused to do so, and given that he's been faced with criticism over it for years now, there are older interviews where it's been brought up, that is pretty telling. I said that was my understanding. If I actually had a quote on hand that said that I would have stated it as a fact. That doesn’t change the fact that my stock response is better than what was given.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 9, 2018 13:45:09 GMT -5
Kyler Murray! You're the next contestant on this bullshit show. You literally just won the Heisman trophy. But guess what? You said "queer" a few too many times when you were fourteen years old. You're a horrible person who shouldn't have any kind of success in life. Congratulations. Seriously, f*** this shit. Kevin Hart didn't just make a few bad taste tweets, he based chunks of his standup work around homophobia and how he would react to his child if he thought he was gay. Kevin Hart was a 30 year old man when he did it. Kevin Hart was already famous and had dozens of TV and film projects under his belt at the time. Kevin Hart knew people were offended and only stopped when he realised it would be bad for his career going forward. Kevin Hart admitted as much in interviews. Kevin Hart has been confronted about it in interviews multiple times and hasn't once apologised, only made excuses. Also, in case you missed it the first time... Kevin Hart was a 30 year old man when he did it . The guy was a grownup with ample experience of the modern world on a social media profile he knew was being read by fans and non fans alike, he was on the rise career wise so wasn't an unknown, naive wannabe. He wasn't some 14 year old from rural Bumblehump, Kentucky being confronted with stupid social media posts 10 years on when they've gotten a decent job, he did it as a fully grown man, knowing full well that people would be offended. He did it anyway because he felt it would be good for his career at that point to be an edgy homophobic cretin. The outrage he's dealing with isn't new, the only thing that's new is it's cost him a job. He's given interviews and has made weak excuses since he did it and said he won't do it going forward as he doesn't want to deal with the outrage, which isn't the same as saying sorry. The guy could have diffused this before it became a problem with a decent apology, but here we are.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 9, 2018 14:01:06 GMT -5
I think we should just fire every person that doesnt act the way we like them too or just slipped up once in 30+ years. That'll show everybody, those ignorant racist people had it coming. Soon we will be living in a perfect society without immoral people...also we will be extinct because no one can get laid. So... The reason I haven't been getting laid all these years... It's because I haven't been homophobic enough? Women are into some weird shit, apparently.
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Post by MAGGLE on Dec 9, 2018 14:10:51 GMT -5
I think we should just fire every person that doesnt act the way we like them too or just slipped up once in 30+ years. That'll show everybody, those ignorant racist people had it coming. Soon we will be living in a perfect society without immoral people...also we will be extinct because no one can get laid. So... The reason I haven't been getting laid all these years... It's because I haven't been homophobic enough? Women are into some weird shit, apparently. Wait I thought homophobic actually meant successfull and healthy. Idk since everyone just uses the word randomly. Thought I'll join too. Edit: wait why am I even responding? I didnt even call him a homophob. Everyone who replied to me just did. So I gotta change my answer, no clue wtf you are talking about.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Dec 9, 2018 14:37:17 GMT -5
Maybe you should ask yourself why these people are losing their jobs? Maybe their losing their jobs by making homophobic and racist comments and this isn't a bad thing. Like I said earlier, you say bad things, you have to answer for them. It's not like Roseanne came out and said she was bigger than Jesus. She compared a black woman to an ape. Kevin Hart made homophobic comments. This isn't OK, despite what some with victim complexes believe. Not disagreeing, just pointing out that 2018 is different from previous eras where people were offended, and is definitely “precarious” as the person you responded to first said. You might want to look up Tipper Gore's campaign in the 80s. People boycotting against homophobic and racist comments, pale in comparison to the drive to get the government behind censorship. A man was arrested for selling a 2 Live Crew album. They were arrested for performing songs from the album.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 9, 2018 17:08:01 GMT -5
...How do you go from "don't be a homophobic" to "don't have sex"? If you care enough to call him a homophob for that, you probably don´t get any because you would be a hysterical little complainer...btw I am just explaining it to you. Not calling you any names. What in the bloody f*** are you even talking about anymore? Do you need a fainting couch? Do you have the vapors?
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