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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 28, 2019 17:40:35 GMT -5
I said this a couple times last night but I feel like this year there were just too many ladies that the fans didnt care about. Last year was promoted as a celebration of the past, present, and future of the women's division and you saw a lot of girls from the 2000's that got much deserved pops. This year, while admirable to use only people under contract, the crowd just seemed to lose interest.
I think the bigger issue, aside from some sloppiness, was poor camera angles so things were missed and the announcers not bring able to decide what to focus on
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 28, 2019 17:44:56 GMT -5
I enjoyed it in the end. I’ve been less entertained in an hour by most other WWE programming. I doubted their ability to pull this off without a dozen or so surprises
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 17:47:22 GMT -5
Despite last night’s great ending, I’m already feeling as if it has run its course. The crowd doesn’t know half the field unless they go back to the same well of surprises and the match has a lot of dead spots, and idk if it was the novelty of it last year, but this year the crowd was burnt out and bored until Becky, and the men’s rumble was embarassingly rushed. It’s not the girls fault, and I do feel somewhat guilty typing this but unless time management and card structure improves, I don’t think it’s worth it.
Most of what you said is false though which is where the issue arises. Everything I'd bolded I'll address.
1. "The crowd doesn’t know half the field" - And yet with that known those who weren't known got legit pops, cheers and boos from the crowd. They proved themselves so that when these NXT women are brought up they'll be in a good spot. On the same token look at the men's side. There were known guys there doing their stuff and yet no one cared. I'd take women people don't know who get reactions over guys people know and yet they get nothing any day of the week. 2. "The match has a lot of dead spots." - The men's match had more and actually a lot of the matches last night had a good amount of dead spots. That's not on them.
3. "but this year the crowd was burnted out and bored until Becky" - That's false. People have given examples but there's been multiple spots, segments and stars besides Becky that people loved and they kept the sequences going until she arrived. She was the most loved but they loved others and enjoyed it for most of the time.
4. "The men's Rumble was embarrassingly rushed." - That's not the women's fault nor does that mean that they need to stop the women's rumble in favor of the men's. That's a problem on booking, that shouldn't have even been addressed tbh.
5. "It’s not the girls fault, and I do feel somewhat guilty typing this but unless time management and card structure improves, I don’t think it’s worth it." - The problem is that you're not explaining why you think it's not worth it because if anything the women's Rumble was one of the best parts about last night. If anything, if you want to compare rumble's, then the men's isn't worth it given the men's wasn't as great as the women's.
Like, you're false on a lot of what happened here. You're off base.
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Post by Doctor No on Jan 28, 2019 17:54:01 GMT -5
Really disappointed with some of the feedback here guys. Some of the responses are very discouraging. You don’t have to like my opinion or agree with it, but to mock it because it isn’t popular and to elude that I’m somewhat of a mysoginist because of it really isn’t called for, and shows how hard it is to post on this section sometimes. Separate note, maybe it’s best to say that perhaps two rumbles in one show is getting to be overkill. Have one 60 person Intergender Rumble. If women can still be in the Men’s Rumble, there is no need for two.
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Post by edgestar on Jan 28, 2019 17:56:02 GMT -5
My only complaint is lack of Jackie. But, there's always last year's dvd, and the network. .....I rooted for Jackie, in the Sable feud, even though neither one bothers me lol
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 28, 2019 17:59:50 GMT -5
Two rumbles and four title matches is just too much. I'd stop brand wars at s.series and do champ vs champ at the rumble, that would bolster the field of realistic winners a bit and cut two matches which would help (can't do it Becky style every year). Hell maybe throw the champions in there toi, just because they have one belt doesn't mean they can't earn a shot at another but that wouldn't leave much for the rest of the show. Some of the timing was absolutely TERRIBLE; big spots happening just as the timer was buzzing, including several eliminations...there literally isn’t a worse time for that to happen. Speaking of which, many of the eliminations were awful. Yeah what the hell happened there? It happened so often it must have been deliberate.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 28, 2019 18:41:56 GMT -5
It would be nice if they discarded the "surprise entrant" concept for the women, since they seem to need to pull from slightly more obscure things. Instead of just throwing women from NXT UK or the Mae Young Classic out there and thinking "Well, 40% of the crowd might recognize them!", give them a five minute hype package in YOUR INTERMINABLE THREE HOUR FLAGSHIP SHOW. Show highlights, a quick promo, so more people are aware of who the newer stars are.
Same thing with the forgotten main roster women. Rene Young was telling us how Dana Brooke had been training super hard and was ready to kickstart her career in the Rumble. Can't spare another five minutes on Raw to show Dana working her ass off in the gym, talking about how she's going to be all anyone's talking about after the Rumble? Nah, just have Rene ad-lib something while Dana comes out to no reaction.
You can still have a surprise like "Hey Lana's hurt, OH SHIT BECKY'S IN!!!!", but if they're a new face, fill the audience in more before the match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 19:09:00 GMT -5
The surprises are okay I guess but my issue is that there’s really only 1-2 people that could realistically win it. It just comes off feeling like a lot of filler.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 19:29:23 GMT -5
Nah I love the women’s Rumble.
Do I wish they used more surprises like Kharma for example, rather than a bunch of Mae Young Classic girls? Yeah. But that’s another story.
Kacy Catanzaro did great in this match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 0:00:16 GMT -5
Royal Rumbles are great for getting newer faces involved with established stars without needing to write full programs for them. So fans get a glimpse of what some of them bring to the table and when they are ready for main roster spots or bigger stories, they're not going in completely blind. And you can advance a lot of stories. Rhea Ripley, Kacy Catanzaro, and Xia Li get to show what they can do. Io Shirai and Kairi Sane kind of setting up as a potential tag team, and also Sane going toe to toe with Flair. Flair, who also got to look so damn good despite losing and got some great character building with how maniacal she was looking at the end going against Becky. And Becky continues her run as one of the hottest wrestlers going. Mandy Rose and Naomi keep their feud heated, and Mandy got to get a fun spot in ruining Naomi's Kofi moment. Alexa Bliss returns to competition, took some bumps that hopefully mean she is healthy to compete, and Nia Jax got some extra heat with her attack on Becky. And there was more going on than that. That's a lot of moments, starts of stories, and character work that would take a lot more time and effort to showcase if you don't have the Rumble. I agree with Citizen Snips that something that would help is establishing some of the lesser known competitors. Even if it isn't done on the main shows, at the very least on the RR pre-show you can show a few video packages or at least a quick rundown of who's in the match and why we should care.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 29, 2019 3:56:18 GMT -5
I missed having two or three of the veteran surprises appearances.
But, rather like the men's Rumble (which I thought wasn't as good), there's a necessity here in getting so many new and fresh faces out there and getting a bit of shine.
I also felt it really showed off a good variety of visual looks and wrestling styles. The women's roster is the most diverse it's ever been, across the board.
Something again that the male Rumble kinda lacked in comparison, as we seemed to be drifting back towards so much "muscle-y tattooed guy with cropped hair and dark trunks" that we had around the mid 2010s.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Jan 29, 2019 4:32:03 GMT -5
Maybe next year there can be 3 Rumbles one for men, one for the women, and one for the Cruiserweights.
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Post by schma on Jan 29, 2019 5:18:57 GMT -5
2 Rumbles is totally doable.
The real problem was that they had a PPV worth of matches without the rumbles.
There was no reason to have that many non rumble matches on the card. At least a couple of them could have waited until the next PPV. It's also tough to compare the two rumbles this year since the men's was just doing entrances whenever they felt like it because they'd gone so far over time. There was one point where literally two entrances were about 20 seconds apart.
There were a lot of women who I only know by name from these forums because I don't have the network but a lot of them did a great job. The biggest thing is they started the rumble great last year by putting Sasha and Becky in at the start. Two popular solid hands who could keep things moving. Lacey should not have been the first entrant and had no business being in there as long as she was. They also could have spread the names out a bit more. I would have liked to see Nikki Cross in a bit longer because the instant she hit the ring until she was gone business picked up.
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Post by clifford on Jan 29, 2019 5:24:06 GMT -5
I thought this year's Womens Rumble was way better than last years. In 2018, they relied too heavily on past stars, who got an initial pop and then nothing from the crowd. This year we had all current and upcoming talents who got to showcase what they can do. Also there were multiple storylines incorporated into the Rumble which you didn't have last year and the crowd was great for almost the entire match.
All in all I thought this year was a massive improvement on last year and can't wait for it again next year.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 29, 2019 5:53:41 GMT -5
The surprises are okay I guess but my issue is that there’s really only 1-2 people that could realistically win it. It just comes off feeling like a lot of filler. Wait, are you talking about the men's one or the womens' one? A lot of the criticisms I've seen apply to a ton of men's Rumbles, including this one. Pulling people from NXT to make up the numbers who people don't know, hi Pete Dunne! Characters no one cares about, Corey came as close as possible to making "Excellent question Shelton!" happen on air when Apollo Crews was eliminated. Outside Braun or Seth, who was going to actually win? The pacing wasn't great, but that's not exactly the first time that's happened in a Rumble.
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Post by Malibu Stacy on Jan 29, 2019 7:15:23 GMT -5
Two rumbles and four title matches is just too much. I'd stop brand wars at s.series and do champ vs champ at the rumble, that would bolster the field of realistic winners a bit and cut two matches which would help (can't do it Becky style every year). I agree! No need to have all four main titles defended on a show with two Rumbles. The Rumbles should take precedent. Better to have two title vs titles. Plus, if booked right, could give heat towards Wrestlemania.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 29, 2019 13:25:08 GMT -5
People are complaining about NXT people showing up when it's the reason Kacy Catanzaro came in and got to crawl around like the world's most dexterous spider to keep from being eliminated? Chick picked up a whole mess of fans because of those spots.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 29, 2019 13:33:53 GMT -5
People are complaining about NXT people showing up when it's the reason Kacy Catanzaro came in and got to crawl around like the world's most dexterous spider to keep from being eliminated? Chick picked up a whole mess of fans because of those spots. The Rumbles are basically WWE's all star game. Yeah, it's cool to see some older people come back sometimes, but I'd rather see the new people on their way up. "But TWERKIN', muh legends" Relying on legends is why we don't have that many modern standouts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 13:37:50 GMT -5
Had to leave Wikipedia open on my laptop but I had to do that for the men’s as well.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 29, 2019 13:43:18 GMT -5
They should just have it at Revolution. Two rumbles is too many anyways. That is a fair point. two rumbles may be too much for one night. But I would rather have two rumbles than no woman rumble
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