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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 0:14:19 GMT -5
Can there just be one thing in this universe that Charlotte isn't added to? Like, please? Do we really need Rule 63 Roman Reigns in everything? Do we really need the equivalent of unseasoned turkey in all our meals? Just one thing without Charlotte reminding everyone that she's the real star in Vince's eye. Please. But, Becky is the one with the mini signs that get passed out before the show. Becky was the one who beat Charlotte for the title, beat Charlotte in the rematch, beat Charlotte down multiple times, and beat Charlotte at the Rumble. Becky’s the one who continues to mention a Mania main event with the women in her promos. Becky is the one who gets the most pops and is being positioned as a babyface who isn’t backing down from Ronda or anyone else. Becky is the one with the most shirts in the crowd. I can’t say the same for the supposed favorite of Vince’s.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jan 29, 2019 0:16:50 GMT -5
Maybe Charlotte will just beat Asuka again so the horsewomen will close the show with all the belts lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 0:17:17 GMT -5
She shouldn’t but we know all Charlotte Batista has to do is walk to the ring and say “congratulations I want my rematch”, and it will instantly be a triple threat.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2019 0:20:58 GMT -5
Outside of the narrative she isn't needed, I do think people are genuinely scared if they add Charlotte she has a good chance of winning the title I mean that's the reaction WWE wants to give fans some type of uncertainty but the paranoia may be too strong for some However, in saying that I would love Charlotte/Asuka II and Asuka getting her win back. I just personally don't see Ronda/Becky getting the reactions after 10 hours of Mania but adding Charlotte keeps the intrigue up
Yeah, it's like the Bryan/Authority stuff. Back then people hated having Bryan face any one of them because they were afraid he'd lose rather than think about the idea of him winning even when he were against those odds. I remember people saying the guy was even going to lose at WM30 even after the matches were announced. If they add in Charlotte to this match that'll make people think that Charlotte might win again and Becky will lose so in the company's mind that's more people with their hearts into the story. That's better psychology to the match.
I think we'll get Charlotte/Asuka II but it'll be the first ppv after WM. Charlotte will be pissed that she lost at WM and then go at Asuka and we'll see them feud for months. It'll be fun.
I think with Charlotte added to the match there's more spectacle with it. She's got a unique "big match" wrestling style that the other 2 don't have so she'd be there to fill in the blanks for the match. Say the crowd's getting quiet at times and next thing you know Charlotte hits a moonsault or a spear through something or whatever. Her style is very big time.
Charlotte adds drama. Adding her to the match still assures Becky is winning 90% but still that 10% of doubt adds to the tension.
Add on Charlotte being a big match wrestler and can get shit done. While Ronda has had really good matches, I feel like Ronda/Becky can easily shit the bed if the crowds losses a bit of investment which is entirely possible after sitting all those hours.
Just seems "boring" to have what we think is a sure fire Becky win with Ronda leaving. Similar to somewhat like Roman/Brock the 1st time and they had a banger match but they had Seth in the background
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 29, 2019 0:22:56 GMT -5
Just one thing without Charlotte reminding everyone that she's the real star in Vince's eye. Please. But, Becky is the one with the mini signs that get passed out before the show. Becky was the one who beat Charlotte for the title, beat Charlotte in the rematch, beat Charlotte down multiple times, and beat Charlotte at the Rumble. Becky’s the one who continues to mention a Mania main event with the women in her promos. Becky is the one who gets the most pops and is being positioned as a babyface who isn’t backing down from Ronda or anyone else. Becky is the one with the most shirts in the crowd. I can’t say the same for the supposed favorite of Vince’s. Who was the bigger act in the first women's Hell in a Cell? Who got to be the last Diva's Champion and first new Women's Champion? Becky should be allowed one single accolade that doesn't have Charlotte's fingerprints all over it.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 29, 2019 0:25:27 GMT -5
Just one thing without Charlotte reminding everyone that she's the real star in Vince's eye. Please. But, Becky is the one with the mini signs that get passed out before the show. Becky was the one who beat Charlotte for the title, beat Charlotte in the rematch, beat Charlotte down multiple times, and beat Charlotte at the Rumble. Becky’s the one who continues to mention a Mania main event with the women in her promos. Becky is the one who gets the most pops and is being positioned as a babyface who isn’t backing down from Ronda or anyone else. Becky is the one with the most shirts in the crowd. I can’t say the same for the supposed favorite of Vince’s. That's the thing for me... If Charlotte is supposedly the chosen one, what does that make the woman that has been beating her every which way you can beat someone for the last four months? Lynch has pinned her to the mat, thrown her over the top rope to win the Royal Rumble, tapped her out and thrown her through a table and knocked her out for a 10 count, all while cutting these vicious promos tearing into everything she represents.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 29, 2019 0:26:09 GMT -5
But, Becky is the one with the mini signs that get passed out before the show. Becky was the one who beat Charlotte for the title, beat Charlotte in the rematch, beat Charlotte down multiple times, and beat Charlotte at the Rumble. Becky’s the one who continues to mention a Mania main event with the women in her promos. Becky is the one who gets the most pops and is being positioned as a babyface who isn’t backing down from Ronda or anyone else. Becky is the one with the most shirts in the crowd. I can’t say the same for the supposed favorite of Vince’s. Who was the bigger act in the first women's Hell in a Cell? Who got to be the last Diva's Champion and first new Women's Champion? Becky should be allowed one single accolade that doesn't have Charlotte's fingerprints all over it. In the topíc of Vince chosens: Bryan had the wonderful WM Run Punk was outshining Cena and dominating the roster. or even Dean as WWE champ when he kept beating Reigns and Rollins but both didnt last long as soon as the golden boys needed their spots.People dont want the same for Becky. Plus the whole YEARS of Charlotte always winning the HISTORIC moments sets a precedent
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 0:28:13 GMT -5
Yeah, it's like the Bryan/Authority stuff. Back then people hated having Bryan face any one of them because they were afraid he'd lose rather than think about the idea of him winning even when he were against those odds. I remember people saying the guy was even going to lose at WM30 even after the matches were announced. If they add in Charlotte to this match that'll make people think that Charlotte might win again and Becky will lose so in the company's mind that's more people with their hearts into the story. That's better psychology to the match.
I think we'll get Charlotte/Asuka II but it'll be the first ppv after WM. Charlotte will be pissed that she lost at WM and then go at Asuka and we'll see them feud for months. It'll be fun.
I think with Charlotte added to the match there's more spectacle with it. She's got a unique "big match" wrestling style that the other 2 don't have so she'd be there to fill in the blanks for the match. Say the crowd's getting quiet at times and next thing you know Charlotte hits a moonsault or a spear through something or whatever. Her style is very big time.
Charlotte adds drama. Adding her to the match still assures Becky is winning 90% but still that 10% of doubt adds to the tension.
Add on Charlotte being a big match wrestler and can get shit done. While Ronda has had really good matches, I feel like Ronda/Becky can easily shit the bed if the crowds losses a bit of investment which is entirely possible after sitting all those hours.
Yeah, Becky's a great wrestler too but for the spectacle aspect out of all the 4 Horsewomen her wrestling style's the most grounded, even over Bayley. Ronda doesn't do much on the top rope and all but either way triple threats are great freshening the deck up a bit. We've seen single's matches fail at WM due to how they were designed so in this case I imagine they'll practice a lot and it'll be cool and all but at the end like that? They need something that'll spice things up and Charlotte wrestling style plus the drama of her in general gets that.
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Post by blscks on Jan 29, 2019 0:28:57 GMT -5
Yeah, she should for a few reasons. I see way more positives to her in it than without. 1. A better match. Charlotte's always putting on dope matches and a multi-woman match is what she specializes in. Her being added frees up the other 2 so they don't get exhausted and it'll also have an a better result. As Meltzer said, it'll be a better match with Charlotte in it. 2. A bigger win for Becky. Becky beating the 2 most dominating women the Women's Division has seen these past 5 years at the main event of WM just makes her more impressive compared to just beating Ronda. 3. Becky looks like a bigger underdog. Besides going up against Ronda you've got Becky going up against someone who's undercut her since the NXT days. Having Becky win this with Charlotte in that spot gives her something else to be proud of as she's actually beaten her demon up close in personal at the biggest stage possible. She'll become the new leader of the Four Horsewomen by beating the former. 4. Protecting Ronda. Ronda's promos are ass, Charlotte's way better. Having those 2 go at it while Ronda gets in a few words is best. It's similar to Reigns. Ronda needs to stay away from the mic. No Charlotte means more Ronda on the mic because that's the WWE's promo style. 5. Ties up more storylines. Besides the "Becky is the best" storyline and the "Women's WM main event" storyline we can finally finish this Charlotte/Ronda storyline they'd been planning since WM last year when Charlotte beat Asuka. Charlotte isn't finished with Ronda yet so best have her face Ronda before Ronda goes on hiatus. 6. Bigger main event. You've got Becky, Ronda "former UFC champion" Rousey and Charlotte "the most dominating women this division's seen and I'm the daughter of Ric" Flair in a triple threat. That's got a bigger big main event feel to it. 7. Helps SDL's women championship more. Charlotte's losing but she's probably going to be Asuka's first challenger post-WM. With Charlotte in this match she can say "I main evented WM, you didn't, I deserve that title" and it makes Asuka look like a bigger underdog while also setting up Asuka's new feud with Charlotte. Yeah, Charlotte could face Asuka at WM again but they need a good post-WM feud for Asuka and Charlotte (who's probably staying on SDL) is the best option. Nobody else on SDL is good enough to face Asuka post-WM yet besides Charlotte. 8. Helps both divisions more as it makes 2 stars instead of 1. Whoever's in this match will get elevated. Becky's being elevated already regardless, she'll be made but Charlotte's different. People always say that Charlotte gets everything, all these firsts, they say she's the new Reigns but the reality is all of that doesn't mean a thing when Charlotte isn't more over. Those accolades hasn't made her reach her peak yet. She can still be elevated and when she elevates it's more people to pass that around. Charlotte being elevated just helps SDL out while Becky being elevated helps Raw out, like Meltzer said it's 2 stars elevated instead of 1 with Becky. 9. More people will be invested in it. People know Becky's beating Ronda but if you add Charlotte in there guaranteed that'll have more people behind Becky and hating Charlotte which helps Becky out and it also gives people a bit of "what if Becky doesn't win" type of thoughts. 10. There's a lot of planning to be thrown to the wayside. They've been planning Charlotte/Ronda for WM35's main event since last year's WM. Becky rising up caused them to adapt. Makes sense to keep following the base of the plan except make Becky win over the both of them given her rise as it's a more cohesive story. 11. Becky and Charlotte would prefer it this way. Hell, probably Ronda too but yep. Overall yeah, put Charlotte in the match. Given how this company works I'm pretty sure they're headed that direction too. Becky/Ronda in a single's match doesn't have this many advantages. 1. Nope 2. Nope 3. Nope 4. Nope .......... 11. Nope
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2019 0:28:58 GMT -5
But, Becky is the one with the mini signs that get passed out before the show. Becky was the one who beat Charlotte for the title, beat Charlotte in the rematch, beat Charlotte down multiple times, and beat Charlotte at the Rumble. Becky’s the one who continues to mention a Mania main event with the women in her promos. Becky is the one who gets the most pops and is being positioned as a babyface who isn’t backing down from Ronda or anyone else. Becky is the one with the most shirts in the crowd. I can’t say the same for the supposed favorite of Vince’s. That's the thing for me... If Charlotte is supposedly the chosen one, what does that make the woman that has been beating her every which way you can beat someone for the last four months? Lynch has pinned her to the mat, thrown her over the top rope to win the Royal Rumble, tapped her out and thrown her through a table and knocked her out for a 10 count, all while cutting these vicious promos tearing into everything she represents. Goddamn when you put it that way, she has murked Charlotte for months and if it was the other way around it would be said she is being buried
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 0:30:25 GMT -5
Yeah, she should for a few reasons. I see way more positives to her in it than without. 1. A better match. Charlotte's always putting on dope matches and a multi-woman match is what she specializes in. Her being added frees up the other 2 so they don't get exhausted and it'll also have an a better result. As Meltzer said, it'll be a better match with Charlotte in it. 2. A bigger win for Becky. Becky beating the 2 most dominating women the Women's Division has seen these past 5 years at the main event of WM just makes her more impressive compared to just beating Ronda. 3. Becky looks like a bigger underdog. Besides going up against Ronda you've got Becky going up against someone who's undercut her since the NXT days. Having Becky win this with Charlotte in that spot gives her something else to be proud of as she's actually beaten her demon up close in personal at the biggest stage possible. She'll become the new leader of the Four Horsewomen by beating the former. 4. Protecting Ronda. Ronda's promos are ass, Charlotte's way better. Having those 2 go at it while Ronda gets in a few words is best. It's similar to Reigns. Ronda needs to stay away from the mic. No Charlotte means more Ronda on the mic because that's the WWE's promo style. 5. Ties up more storylines. Besides the "Becky is the best" storyline and the "Women's WM main event" storyline we can finally finish this Charlotte/Ronda storyline they'd been planning since WM last year when Charlotte beat Asuka. Charlotte isn't finished with Ronda yet so best have her face Ronda before Ronda goes on hiatus. 6. Bigger main event. You've got Becky, Ronda "former UFC champion" Rousey and Charlotte "the most dominating women this division's seen and I'm the daughter of Ric" Flair in a triple threat. That's got a bigger big main event feel to it. 7. Helps SDL's women championship more. Charlotte's losing but she's probably going to be Asuka's first challenger post-WM. With Charlotte in this match she can say "I main evented WM, you didn't, I deserve that title" and it makes Asuka look like a bigger underdog while also setting up Asuka's new feud with Charlotte. Yeah, Charlotte could face Asuka at WM again but they need a good post-WM feud for Asuka and Charlotte (who's probably staying on SDL) is the best option. Nobody else on SDL is good enough to face Asuka post-WM yet besides Charlotte. 8. Helps both divisions more as it makes 2 stars instead of 1. Whoever's in this match will get elevated. Becky's being elevated already regardless, she'll be made but Charlotte's different. People always say that Charlotte gets everything, all these firsts, they say she's the new Reigns but the reality is all of that doesn't mean a thing when Charlotte isn't more over. Those accolades hasn't made her reach her peak yet. She can still be elevated and when she elevates it's more people to pass that around. Charlotte being elevated just helps SDL out while Becky being elevated helps Raw out, like Meltzer said it's 2 stars elevated instead of 1 with Becky. 9. More people will be invested in it. People know Becky's beating Ronda but if you add Charlotte in there guaranteed that'll have more people behind Becky and hating Charlotte which helps Becky out and it also gives people a bit of "what if Becky doesn't win" type of thoughts. 10. There's a lot of planning to be thrown to the wayside. They've been planning Charlotte/Ronda for WM35's main event since last year's WM. Becky rising up caused them to adapt. Makes sense to keep following the base of the plan except make Becky win over the both of them given her rise as it's a more cohesive story. 11. Becky and Charlotte would prefer it this way. Hell, probably Ronda too but yep. Overall yeah, put Charlotte in the match. Given how this company works I'm pretty sure they're headed that direction too. Becky/Ronda in a single's match doesn't have this many advantages. 1. Nope 2. Nope 3. Nope 4. Nope .......... 11. Nope Dawg I'll only address 1 thing...how are you going to say that Becky and Charlotte wouldn't prefer each other in the main event of WM when they're best friends? Man, THIS is what I say about some of yall needing to put those biases aside lmao. Who wouldn't want their best friend main eventing with them? Come on now.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Jan 29, 2019 0:31:31 GMT -5
Absolutely f***ing not. Keep her as far away from this match as possible
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Jan 29, 2019 0:34:41 GMT -5
Big time no from me. The main event of Wrestlemania should be who is the best of the best. Triple Threat matches are not a measure of this.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 29, 2019 0:36:51 GMT -5
That's the thing for me... If Charlotte is supposedly the chosen one, what does that make the woman that has been beating her every which way you can beat someone for the last four months? Lynch has pinned her to the mat, thrown her over the top rope to win the Royal Rumble, tapped her out and thrown her through a table and knocked her out for a 10 count, all while cutting these vicious promos tearing into everything she represents. Goddamn when you put it that way, she has murked Charlotte for months and if it was the other way around it would be said she is being buried I mean it is the same reason Cena has been losing for years and is still seen as the top dog. Years of being dominating can afford months of losses.Becky,or any other woman, doesn't has that to fall back on
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 29, 2019 0:40:51 GMT -5
Tomko, gimme a beat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 0:43:12 GMT -5
Goddamn when you put it that way, she has murked Charlotte for months and if it was the other way around it would be said she is being buried I mean it is the same reason Cena has been losing for years and is still seen as the top dog. Years of being dominating can afford months of losses.Becky,or any other woman, doesn't has that to fall back on But Cena was never leaning towards heel territory. Not like Charlotte. Charlotte has been leaning towards heel territory for quite a while. She insulted the crowd multiple times and has DQd herself to get out of losing due to the kendo stick.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 29, 2019 0:45:27 GMT -5
Yes.
Becky's whole thing is that she's the stone that the builder refused, the champion the company doesn't want.
Same company handed her a Rumble win she got to skip right in at the end after getting schooled earlier in the night. Her character is the underdog, and they gave her the Rumble win on a silver platter with extra sprinkles.
Ronda crumbled on Raw, and there's nothing to suggest she won't have that happen at Wrestlemania. Becky's good, but she's not THAT good, to drag a frozen Ronda to a classic.
It's been suggested that Ronda's horsewomen could be ringside to help Ronda keep it together, but that's so much more unearned and distracting.
No one believes Shayna, etc, could cost Becky. But they DO believe Charlotte can, they DO believe that Charlotte is just waiting at the sidelines to be given the crown, despite the fact she's put over Becky in each and every encounter they've had for like 9 months. That's a powerful tool that you could get a
Charlotte is the best friend Becky could ever have in the match. She's Lex Luger making Becky's Bret shine by comparison.
This is the first chance the women have to main event, and I don't want it to be the last. Do you?
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Post by Malibu Stacy on Jan 29, 2019 0:46:15 GMT -5
No, I think keeping it one-on-one makes it more high profile. And I love Charlotte, but she needs to take a step back. Like others have said, just have Asuka get her win back, let that story come full circle.
That said, I won't exactly be upset either way.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 29, 2019 0:46:46 GMT -5
But, Becky is the one with the mini signs that get passed out before the show. Becky was the one who beat Charlotte for the title, beat Charlotte in the rematch, beat Charlotte down multiple times, and beat Charlotte at the Rumble. Becky’s the one who continues to mention a Mania main event with the women in her promos. Becky is the one who gets the most pops and is being positioned as a babyface who isn’t backing down from Ronda or anyone else. Becky is the one with the most shirts in the crowd. I can’t say the same for the supposed favorite of Vince’s. Who was the bigger act in the first women's Hell in a Cell? Who got to be the last Diva's Champion and first new Women's Champion? Becky should be allowed one single accolade that doesn't have Charlotte's fingerprints all over it. Yeah, it's called pinning or submitting Ronda. Charlotte could be surgically attached to Becky's forehead, and it wouldn't take the bloom off of that.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 29, 2019 0:47:08 GMT -5
No. But she probably will be anyway.
The match will probably be fine but she definitely dilutes the feeling of importance to the overall story. Rousey and Lynch are inaguably the top two women on the show at the moment. There's nothing wrong with Charlotte getting a spot on the card, but it doesn't really add anything here. We'd just get your typical WWE-trope three way match, with one woman continuously rolling out of the ring for minutes on end. The match might be fine, but you lose much of the feeling of importance the singles match offers.
This would be like arguing that Triple H and/or Kurt Angle should have been added to the Mania 17 Rock/Austin match. I guess there was a story there, and the match would probably be fine; but it's also a case of subtraction via addition.
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