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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 29, 2019 0:59:31 GMT -5
Yes. Becky's whole thing is that she's the stone that the builder refused, She is the visual, the inspiration to make ladies sing the blues, She's the spark that makes your idea bright, the same spark that lights the dark so that you can know your left from your right...
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 29, 2019 1:12:45 GMT -5
No. But she probably will be anyway. The match will probably be fine but she definitely dilutes the feeling of importance to the overall story. Rousey and Lynch are inaguably the top two women on the show at the moment. There's nothing wrong with Charlotte getting a spot on the card, but it doesn't really add anything here. We'd just get your typical WWE-trope three way match, with one woman continuously rolling out of the ring for minutes on end. The match might be fine, but you lose much of the feeling of importance the singles match offers. This would be like arguing that Triple H and/or Kurt Angle should have been added to the Mania 17 Rock/Austin match. I guess there was a story there, and the match would probably be fine; but it's also a case of subtraction via addition.
I get the appeal of this analogy, but it has a problem The Rock and Stone Cold were by 2001 already experienced PPV main-eventers who had wrestled for several years and already put on classic matches. Becky and Ronda are not in this category. Ronda's been around for less than a year, she's excellent in the right situation but very rough when not, which is understandable given her lack of experience. Becky is good but her style is pretty unexciting, she doesn't really have the sort of moveset that gives you Wrestlemania Moments. Furthermore, we simply don't know if Ronda and Becky have good ring chemistry, while we know Charlotte has excellent chemistry with both. And given elements of the storyline have involved all three, its not the same thing as adding HHH to Rock/Austin at all. Ronda didn't just knock Becky off the ladder at TLC, she knocked off both. And Ronda didn't just mock Becky while praising Sasha in the Rumble build-up, she was mocking Becky and Charlotte too.
Plus to add another reason to that long list earlier, with that transitional reign after Summerslam, WWE set Charlotte up to be one win away from becoming WWE's GOAT. That fact adds stakes to the match and gives fans a reason to be even more paranoid about the (probable) possibility of Becky winning.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 29, 2019 1:34:06 GMT -5
No. But she probably will be anyway. The match will probably be fine but she definitely dilutes the feeling of importance to the overall story. Rousey and Lynch are inaguably the top two women on the show at the moment. There's nothing wrong with Charlotte getting a spot on the card, but it doesn't really add anything here. We'd just get your typical WWE-trope three way match, with one woman continuously rolling out of the ring for minutes on end. The match might be fine, but you lose much of the feeling of importance the singles match offers. This would be like arguing that Triple H and/or Kurt Angle should have been added to the Mania 17 Rock/Austin match. I guess there was a story there, and the match would probably be fine; but it's also a case of subtraction via addition. I get the appeal of this analogy, but it has a problem The Rock and Stone Cold were by 2001 already experienced PPV main-eventers who had wrestled for several years and already put on classic matches. Becky and Ronda are not in this category. Ronda's been around for less than a year, she's excellent in the right situation but very rough when not, which is understandable given her lack of experience. Becky is good but her style is pretty unexciting, she doesn't really have the sort of moveset that gives you Wrestlemania Moments. Furthermore, we simply don't know if Ronda and Becky have good ring chemistry, while we know Charlotte has excellent chemistry with both. And given elements of the storyline have involved all three, its not the same thing as adding HHH to Rock/Austin at all. Ronda didn't just knock Becky off the ladder at TLC, she knocked off both. And Ronda didn't just mock Becky while praising Sasha in the Rumble build-up, she was mocking Becky and Charlotte too.
Plus to add another reason to that long list earlier, with that transitional reign after Summerslam, WWE set Charlotte up to be one win away from becoming WWE's GOAT. That fact adds stakes to the match and gives fans a reason to be even more paranoid about the (probable) possibility of Becky winning.
I used that example because right before Mania, Trips beat Austin, while Angle was the catylist for the heat between the two in the Debra part of the story. There were established story elements there, similar to this case. It would have made sense, but also would have hurt the match. Also Rousey is every bit the PPV main eventer those two were. It’s not like she was some low key star on the fringe of pop culture. Plus Becky’s been around long enough to know what she’s capable of. Regardless of whatever doubts you may have on their potential match, neither has significantly disappointed when they’ve been given a proper spot to deliver great matches. It’s a match between a mainstream superstar who has taken over the top spot in pro wrestling, and a relatively marginalized talent who has captured the hearts of the fans at large? What part of that story really needs Charlotte breaking a record, or whatever? She sticks out like a sore thumb, plus she’s been beaten by both in the last 6 months. She’s got no real business sharing their spotlight right now.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 29, 2019 1:40:16 GMT -5
I get the appeal of this analogy, but it has a problem The Rock and Stone Cold were by 2001 already experienced PPV main-eventers who had wrestled for several years and already put on classic matches. Becky and Ronda are not in this category. Ronda's been around for less than a year, she's excellent in the right situation but very rough when not, which is understandable given her lack of experience. Becky is good but her style is pretty unexciting, she doesn't really have the sort of moveset that gives you Wrestlemania Moments. Furthermore, we simply don't know if Ronda and Becky have good ring chemistry, while we know Charlotte has excellent chemistry with both. And given elements of the storyline have involved all three, its not the same thing as adding HHH to Rock/Austin at all. Ronda didn't just knock Becky off the ladder at TLC, she knocked off both. And Ronda didn't just mock Becky while praising Sasha in the Rumble build-up, she was mocking Becky and Charlotte too.
Plus to add another reason to that long list earlier, with that transitional reign after Summerslam, WWE set Charlotte up to be one win away from becoming WWE's GOAT. That fact adds stakes to the match and gives fans a reason to be even more paranoid about the (probable) possibility of Becky winning.
I used that example because right before Mania, Trips beat Austin, while Angle was the catylist for the heat between the two in the Debra part of the story. There were established story elements there, similar to this case. It would have made sense, but also would have hurt the match. Also Rousey is every bit the PPV main eventer those two were. It’s not like she was some low key star on the fringe of pop culture. Plus Becky’s been around long enough to know what she’s capable of. Regardless of whatever doubts you may have on their potential match, neither has significantly disappointed when they’ve been given a proper spot to deliver great matches. It’s a match between a mainstream superstar who has taken over the top spot in pro wrestling, and a relatively marginalized talent who has captured the hearts of the fans at large? What part of that story really needs Charlotte breaking a record, or whatever? She sticks out like a sore thumb, plus she’s been beaten by both in the last 6 months. She’s got no real business sharing their spotlight right now.
I didn't say Charlotte had to win the match. I said that the perception of her winning is useful to exploit.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 29, 2019 1:41:21 GMT -5
I'd rather they do Asuka/Charlotte again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 1:43:35 GMT -5
No. But she probably will be anyway. The match will probably be fine but she definitely dilutes the feeling of importance to the overall story. Rousey and Lynch are inaguably the top two women on the show at the moment. There's nothing wrong with Charlotte getting a spot on the card, but it doesn't really add anything here. We'd just get your typical WWE-trope three way match, with one woman continuously rolling out of the ring for minutes on end. The match might be fine, but you lose much of the feeling of importance the singles match offers. This would be like arguing that Triple H and/or Kurt Angle should have been added to the Mania 17 Rock/Austin match. I guess there was a story there, and the match would probably be fine; but it's also a case of subtraction via addition. I get the appeal of this analogy, but it has a problem The Rock and Stone Cold were by 2001 already experienced PPV main-eventers who had wrestled for several years and already put on classic matches. Becky and Ronda are not in this category. Ronda's been around for less than a year, she's excellent in the right situation but very rough when not, which is understandable given her lack of experience. Becky is good but her style is pretty unexciting, she doesn't really have the sort of moveset that gives you Wrestlemania Moments. Furthermore, we simply don't know if Ronda and Becky have good ring chemistry, while we know Charlotte has excellent chemistry with both. And given elements of the storyline have involved all three, its not the same thing as adding HHH to Rock/Austin at all. Ronda didn't just knock Becky off the ladder at TLC, she knocked off both. And Ronda didn't just mock Becky while praising Sasha in the Rumble build-up, she was mocking Becky and Charlotte too.
Plus to add another reason to that long list earlier, with that transitional reign after Summerslam, WWE set Charlotte up to be one win away from becoming WWE's GOAT. That fact adds stakes to the match and gives fans a reason to be even more paranoid about the (probable) possibility of Becky winning.
I'm all for a triple threat but I feel like booking it because you're scared Ronda/Becky will fail as a match odd. The match has a hell of a lot of intrigue, Ronda has had killer matches with far less likely opponents, there's not much reason to believe the performers will drop the ball there. And if they did, that's something to worry about when it happens. The feud is incredibly hot right now, so most fans want the match, and that's pretty much all that matters. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer between a singles or a triple threat. To me, the main event slot should go to who earned it, and Becky/Charlotte have earned it in spades this year, and the story is there for them to justify it.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jan 29, 2019 1:47:22 GMT -5
Charlotte doesn't need it. Plus shoehorning her into this match is stupid when she could always win mitb if you wanted to get her in the mix later on.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 29, 2019 1:56:22 GMT -5
Charlotte "Triple H" Reigns Flair has no business leeching off this.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 29, 2019 2:01:17 GMT -5
I used that example because right before Mania, Trips beat Austin, while Angle was the catylist for the heat between the two in the Debra part of the story. There were established story elements there, similar to this case. It would have made sense, but also would have hurt the match. Also Rousey is every bit the PPV main eventer those two were. It’s not like she was some low key star on the fringe of pop culture. Plus Becky’s been around long enough to know what she’s capable of. Regardless of whatever doubts you may have on their potential match, neither has significantly disappointed when they’ve been given a proper spot to deliver great matches. It’s a match between a mainstream superstar who has taken over the top spot in pro wrestling, and a relatively marginalized talent who has captured the hearts of the fans at large? What part of that story really needs Charlotte breaking a record, or whatever? She sticks out like a sore thumb, plus she’s been beaten by both in the last 6 months. She’s got no real business sharing their spotlight right now. I didn't say Charlotte had to win the match. I said that the perception of her winning is useful to exploit.
I didn’t imply she had to. I’m asking what she adds to the story as it stands now. I see the confusion, I meant to say “the potential of Charlotte breaking a record, or whatever.”
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 29, 2019 3:06:10 GMT -5
She shouldn't, but I can live with it if she was. This. I mark for Charlotte and would still love the match but it's money on its own and dilutes Becky's push.
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Post by Prince Petty on Jan 29, 2019 3:07:53 GMT -5
Adding Charlotte makes this match smaller, not bigger. Just throwing more people into a match doesn't make it a bigger event.
At the moment, you have the storyline of the unbeaten, unbeatable 'baddest woman on the planet' vs the previously good natured underdog who finally found her confidence and proved herself the equal of anyone. Anyone, that is, except the woman she's about to face.
It feels like a Big Fight. There's a cinematic quality to it that all the best Wrestlemania main events have had. And the dynamic of two people, facing off to see which one is better will always be superior to multi-person matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 5:32:43 GMT -5
If she’s added in, I’m not watching.
Brock/Seth already doesn’t interest me. Becky/Ronda is selling this show to me and I’m so f***ing sick of Charlotte.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Jan 29, 2019 5:42:10 GMT -5
Not only will she be added, she'll win.
Which will keep my boycott going probably even after Roman (hopefully) comes back.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 29, 2019 6:00:22 GMT -5
Yes. She adds serious star power and will increase the match quality, and it's another buffer for Ronda who despite being better than expected, is still very new.
She can also take the pin from Becky and protect Ronda's aura.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 29, 2019 6:16:37 GMT -5
I mean it is the same reason Cena has been losing for years and is still seen as the top dog. Years of being dominating can afford months of losses.Becky,or any other woman, doesn't has that to fall back on But Cena was never leaning towards heel territory. Not like Charlotte. Charlotte has been leaning towards heel territory for quite a while. She insulted the crowd multiple times and has DQd herself to get out of losing due to the kendo stick. Charlotte's been face and heel and was top dog either way. As others have said, it's been like this with Becky for a few months, where Charlotte had years of a mega push. Even the start of "The Man" was an attempted heel turn to gain Charlotte sympathy, they had Becky insult fans and commentary talk about her as bitter and jealous, until this became one of the few times recently they've decided to go with the crowd. Charlotte has been involved in every angle Becky's had during this whole time. Becky turned on CHARLOTTE, won the title from CHARLOTTE, when she was injured the replacement she chose was CHARLOTTE when she lost the title, it was a triple threat involving CHARLOTTE. Yes Becky's been dominating, but she pretty much hasn't been able to breathe without bumping into her. So while I wouldn't mind Charlotte being added, I can see why people want Becky to have a major event where Charlotte isn't involved with it at all.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 29, 2019 7:28:10 GMT -5
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 29, 2019 7:41:08 GMT -5
No, as I really can't see a credible challenger on Smackdown outside of Becky or Charlotte on Smackdown.
Maybe Naomi or doing a fourway.
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Post by 4real on Jan 29, 2019 7:45:54 GMT -5
Shouldn’t say I’m surprised by the overwhelming no but the fact that no is winning by a landslide makes me think I’m massively out of touch. That and Ronda getting booed unmercifully baffles me.
I can understand if people are sick of Charlotte fine. But she’s a great talent, has star power and has unfinished business with Ronda. Also she has a gripe considering the way Becky entered the Rumble (Which makes her win tainted imo). Also...and bear with me here because I’m sure some will laugh at this...she isn’t winning.
The only thing I would say is where does Asuka go from here if Charlotte is also added to the Raw title match? Her list of challengers would be a short one and she could do with her win back from Charlotte.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 29, 2019 8:24:29 GMT -5
Yes. She adds serious star power and will increase the match quality, and it's another buffer for Ronda who despite being better than expected, is still very new. She can also take the pin from Becky and protect Ronda's aura. While I want the triple threat Becky has to beat Ronda.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 29, 2019 8:33:19 GMT -5
Shouldn’t say I’m surprised by the overwhelming no but the fact that no is winning by a landslide makes me think I’m massively out of touch. That and Ronda getting booed unmercifully baffles me. I can understand if people are sick of Charlotte fine. But she’s a great talent, has star power and has unfinished business with Ronda. Also she has a gripe considering the way Becky entered the Rumble (Which makes her win tainted imo). Also...and bear with me here because I’m sure some will laugh at this...she isn’t winning. The only thing I would say is where does Asuka go from here if Charlotte is also added to the Raw title match? Her list of challengers would be a short one and she could do with her win back from Charlotte. The girl she didn't beat.... Carmella?
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