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Post by segaz on Apr 2, 2019 4:39:27 GMT -5
Do you think they might accept transgender wrestlers, or allow one of their own wrestlers to transition from one division to the next, without making it a joke like Santina?
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Apr 2, 2019 5:11:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 5:18:35 GMT -5
Wow, the response in that thread is f***ing disgusting. Especially all the casual slurs going around. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 5:22:23 GMT -5
Given how behind the curve WWE are with most social issues, I couldn't trust them to deal with something wider society finds thorny and complex to process.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 5:31:55 GMT -5
Do I think they should? Judge them by the same standards as they would any other wrestler and if they are entertaining etc. then of course
Do I think they will and do so in a non-embarrassing or derogatory way? No to both
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 2, 2019 5:45:13 GMT -5
Which also brings up this : Why did everybody instantly assume they'd all have to be M->F? It's not like it never goes in the other direction. Yeah, back then (2008) the other was more common to a MASSIVE degree, but that has changed rapidly in the past few years. To answer OP's question, though, there's probably never going to be a time where the likes of Vince McMahon, Michael Hayes, or Road Dogg could handle the issue in a way that's going to satisfy anyone. |
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Post by KobashiChop on Apr 2, 2019 5:48:46 GMT -5
As grim as reading those thread responses is, I'd like to think everyone involved has advanced forward a little.
And as long as the WWE dont make it the core focus of that person's gimmick (do YOU trust them to handle it with any maturity at all?) then it's not like theres any problem.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 2, 2019 6:16:10 GMT -5
WWE have only just reached the stage where women are taken seriously as athletes, both in terms of how the company themselves perceive them, as well as a significant percentage of the crowds.
The company still hasn't had an openly gay character, despite having several openly gay wrestlers under contract.
'Evil foreigner' is still a character phase virtually every non-U.S. wrestler has to go through at some point.
At their current rate of progress, I'd say we're still a couple of decades away from WWE even getting within the same time zone as being ready to integrate transgender wrestlers.
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Post by disorganisedchaos v:2 on Apr 2, 2019 7:46:01 GMT -5
Without getting too political, I work in a primarily left-wing form of the arts in the UK, and even I struggle with 30% of my peers, let alone audiences.
I fear that anyone attempting this in major, touring wrestling company, even in 2019, would be shit upon by crowds, peers and management.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 7:50:20 GMT -5
Without getting too political, I work in a primarily left-wing form of the arts in the UK, and even I struggle with 30% of my peers, let alone audiences. I fear that anyone attempting this in major, touring wrestling company, even in 2019, would be shit upon by crowds, peers and management. Honestly other than some idiot trolls on Twitter, no one really seems to care that AEW signed Nyla Rose. Granted WWE has vastly more eyes on them than AEW does. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 2, 2019 7:54:19 GMT -5
They're not ready, probably, but this is one of those things where some of it would probably come down to the right talent coming along that they'd want to take a chance on, but when you have the UK media just gleefully engaging in transphobia for clicks, it does show that this is a bigger problem than WWE by a lot.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 2, 2019 7:57:58 GMT -5
As a comedy, 'ew, is it a man or a woman?' then I think the WWE might at least attempt it. But obviously, no one should want that. As a legitimate, accepted competitor? I fear the only way they'd be able to do it would be by never, ever mentioning that a person was transgender (which, arguably, could be what the wrestler might prefer).
I'll be honest, I have very limited experience with transgender people - pretty much limited to celebrities like Jamie Clayton and Laverne Cox, and one person who works in my office, but I barely know - but this is an issue that is starting to be discussed in legitimate sports, where athletes who are transgender are struggling to figure out where they fit in. It should be easier for the WWE, where the idea of fair competition doesn't come into it.
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Post by Instant Classic on Apr 2, 2019 8:09:51 GMT -5
Not a fan of it.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 2, 2019 8:11:09 GMT -5
I say do it. Find someone who’s transitioned, and bring them to TV when they’re ready and DON’T SAY A F***ing WORD about them being trans. Send them out to compete with their gender, and don’t bring it up until said wrestler is well established. I don’t wanna watch a gay wrestler, or trans wrestler but I have no problem watching a wrestler who happens to be gay or trans. I hope that last sentence makes sense, I’m trying to say don’t make being gay their gimmick, make being gay just part of who they are
EDIT: Also, I wouldn’t hold most of those comments from 10 years ago against people. It was a different time, we weren’t exactly well educated on trans people then. Hell, homosexuality was pretty much just turning the corner in terms of public perception and acceptance. The normalisation of transsexuals is a fairly recent advancement for our society. And no, I’m not trying to trivialise trans struggles, I’m aware that we’re far from universal acceptance
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 2, 2019 8:11:36 GMT -5
WWE isn't ready to promote any LGB wrestlers yet, never mind the T.
Charlie Morgan's on the WWE UK roster, she's gay and is barely used. Hell, she's done more promotional work under WWE contract on UK TV for Pro Wrestling EVE then she's appeared on the WWE Network.
Like, I'm not even saying make that a part of their character but, man, the difference someone like that could do for the Be A Star campaign and to say that's ok, even if it's all for publicity, could be big.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 8:19:14 GMT -5
WWE isn't ready to promote any LGB wrestlers yet, never mind the T. Charlie Morgan's on the WWE UK roster, she's gay and is barely used. Hell, she's done more promotional work under WWE contract on UK TV for Pro Wrestling EVE then she's appeared on the WWE Network. Like, I'm not even saying make that a part of their character but, man, the difference someone like that could do for the Be A Star campaign and to say that's ok, even if it's all for publicity, could be big. To be fair, it's not like either's been pushed to the moon but Darren Young got some stuff to do and Sonya Deville's fairly prominent. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 2, 2019 8:20:07 GMT -5
No.
The WWE is behind the curb on most issues so there is absolutely no way they would handle a transgender wrestler well, they've only just started handling women with any level of respect for crying out loud.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 2, 2019 8:21:20 GMT -5
WWE isn't ready to promote any LGB wrestlers yet, never mind the T. Charlie Morgan's on the WWE UK roster, she's gay and is barely used. Hell, she's done more promotional work under WWE contract on UK TV for Pro Wrestling EVE then she's appeared on the WWE Network. Like, I'm not even saying make that a part of their character but, man, the difference someone like that could do for the Be A Star campaign and to say that's ok, even if it's all for publicity, could be big. To be fair, it's not like either's been pushed to the moon but Darren Young got some stuff to do and Sonya Deville's fairly prominent. I'll give them credit for Darren since they DID do some stuff but he wasn't ever on the Be A Star campaign from what I remember, which is, like...the PERFECT thing to do with the guy. Even Deville would work. I'm not saying make it obvious but if WWE just did those sort of things without it affecting how their TV characters are, it'd be the perfect balance. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 2, 2019 8:24:01 GMT -5
I don’t trust WWE or any wrestling company to not make the person a billboard item.
“Oh my goooood. A transgender wrestlerrrr! Come on everybody! Look at how progressive we are!!”
It’d be more of a hollow bullet point than an actual positive move.
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Post by brown bricks on Apr 2, 2019 8:39:02 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Google "Linda McMahon", see who she works for, and then join me in saying, "Absolutely not."
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