Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 2, 2019 8:39:33 GMT -5
Cue horrified face after reading that old thread.
Honestly I'd love more inclusiveness in all forms of entertainment. It's why I love what AEW is doing by bringing in wrestlers like Sonny Kiss and Nyla Rose. Is WWE ready to do the same? The pessimist in me says no, unfortunately. Vince has a tough time keeping someone from another country face in 2019 and though they don't do anything to say Sonya isn't gay they sure as hell don't openly acknowledge it either. I'm all for it though.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Apr 2, 2019 8:51:21 GMT -5
Not a chance. After all this time they’re still working on how they present women with their women’s revolution.
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Apr 2, 2019 8:51:44 GMT -5
If they could do it without it being the center of attention. Like just let them come in and work without it becoming the focus of every single story.
It neither side could do that.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 2, 2019 8:51:44 GMT -5
Transgender pro wrestlers who are at WWE's level is probably a demographic that doesn't exist anyway, so I wouldn't even expect it to come up.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 2, 2019 8:51:53 GMT -5
Cue horrified face after reading that old thread. Honestly I'd love more inclusiveness in all forms of entertainment. It's why I love what AEW is doing by bringing in wrestlers like Sonny Kiss and Nyla Rose. Is WWE ready to do the same? The pessimist in me says no, unfortunately. Vince has a tough time keeping someone from another country face in 2019 and though they don't do anything to say Sonya isn't gay they sure as hell don't openly acknowledge it either. I'm all for it though. See, Im fine with them not touting Sonya’s sexuality at every opportunity. I’d hate for talent to be boiled down to what they are instead of who they are. (Like, Kofi’s character has nothing to do with the fact that he’s a black dude) Absolutely not. Google "Linda McMahon", see who she works for, and then join me in saying, "Absolutely not." She left the cabinet didn’t she?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 8:52:17 GMT -5
Vince probably doesn't know the difference between transgender people and cross dressers and he's probably not even malicious in doing so I'd wager most of his generation don't.
Steph and Hunter maybe, difficult to tell.
The Saudi relationship could make LGBT storylines/performers awkward too.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 2, 2019 8:55:26 GMT -5
They didn't start taking women seriously until recently. WWE might catch on to trans equality in like 2036.
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Post by Bad Moon on Apr 2, 2019 8:55:44 GMT -5
WWE isn't even ready to decline money from a government that beheads gay people.
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Post by brown bricks on Apr 2, 2019 8:59:44 GMT -5
Cue horrified face after reading that old thread. Honestly I'd love more inclusiveness in all forms of entertainment. It's why I love what AEW is doing by bringing in wrestlers like Sonny Kiss and Nyla Rose. Is WWE ready to do the same? The pessimist in me says no, unfortunately. Vince has a tough time keeping someone from another country face in 2019 and though they don't do anything to say Sonya isn't gay they sure as hell don't openly acknowledge it either. I'm all for it though. See, Im fine with them not touting Sonya’s sexuality at every opportunity. I’d hate for talent to be boiled down to what they are instead of who they are. (Like, Kofi’s character has nothing to do with the fact that he’s a black dude) Absolutely not. Google "Linda McMahon", see who she works for, and then join me in saying, "Absolutely not." She left the cabinet didn’t she? Without getting political (Translation: Please don't ban me or lock this thread, mods), yes she did, but she plans on working on that person's re-election campaign.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 2, 2019 9:01:21 GMT -5
I don’t trust WWE or any wrestling company to not make the person a billboard item. “Oh my goooood. A transgender wrestlerrrr! Come on everybody! Look at how progressive we are!!” It’d be more of a hollow bullet point than an actual positive move. See, I think Lucha Underground could have handled it. They didn't really have the PR pressures that a bigger entity has to take into account. They could have just sent them out there without having to shout "HEY, LOOK WHAT WE DID!" and all the fallout that comes from that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 9:03:04 GMT -5
No. What would be the point? To show how “equal” and “progressive” they are?
I like my wrestling entertaining. Saying “Here’s the first ever HISTORIC transgendered wrestler!” isn’t entertaining.
Keep these real life PC “progressive” issues out of my wrestling, please.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 9:04:44 GMT -5
I don’t trust WWE or any wrestling company to not make the person a billboard item. “Oh my goooood. A transgender wrestlerrrr! Come on everybody! Look at how progressive we are!!” It’d be more of a hollow bullet point than an actual positive move. I mean, the most of a thing that AEW's made of it is just in Cody insulting some trolls on Twitter. No. What would be the point? To show how “equal” and “progressive” they are? I like my wrestling entertaining. Saying “Here’s the first ever HISTORIC transgendered wrestler!” isn’t entertaining. I mean, I think the point's more, "If a transgender wrestler were available who is good enough to be on WWE's radar, should they give it a shot?" I don't really see how a wrestler who happens to be transgender couldn't be entertaining as, you know, an actual talent.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Apr 2, 2019 9:04:58 GMT -5
WWF hinted at the sexual ambiguity of Adorable Adrian Adonis, Goldust, and Chyna in the 1980s and 1990s. I'd say they all had pretty good runs. Nicole Bass, not so much. WWE today however, I cannot see them poking at this with a stick.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 2, 2019 9:07:34 GMT -5
See, Im fine with them not touting Sonya’s sexuality at every opportunity. I’d hate for talent to be boiled down to what they are instead of who they are. (Like, Kofi’s character has nothing to do with the fact that he’s a black dude) She left the cabinet didn’t she? Without getting political (Translation: Please don't ban me or lock this thread, mods), yes she did, but she plans on working on that person's re-election campaign. Ah alright. I didn’t read the whole story. I was ready for Linda and Miz Mom to brawl on sunday
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Apr 2, 2019 9:22:51 GMT -5
I don't think the company or the fan base at large are ready. They'd turn the situation into a PR stunt and burn away any good will they actually gained for it.
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Post by 111111 on Apr 2, 2019 9:34:32 GMT -5
The idea of 2008 being a "completely different time" is completely frying my head. It feels like yesterday.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 2, 2019 9:41:15 GMT -5
The idea of 2008 being a "completely different time" is completely frying my head. It feels like yesterday. Dude, on a seperate topic from all this, at the wrestling school I train at most of the people there are at least 15-18 years old and they're ridiculously nostalgic for 2004-2008 WWE, it makes me feel like the oldest goddamn human in the world. "Man, remember Carlito and Mr. Kennedy", they say as I watch myself turn into dust.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Apr 2, 2019 10:34:39 GMT -5
The company still hasn't had an openly gay character, despite having several openly gay wrestlers under contract. I remember watching an episode of Tuesday Night Titans where Adrian Adonis was being interviewed by Vince McMahon on his talk show where Adrian outright referred to himself as Gay He was an over the top stereotype but he was still an openly gay character
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Post by The Spelunker! on Apr 2, 2019 10:35:42 GMT -5
I 0% trust WWE to handle this at all.
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Post by FinalGwen on Apr 2, 2019 10:41:47 GMT -5
Much as I'd like it to happen in a positive way, WWE are in no way, shape, or form ready. We're only a few years past them still celebrating the DX blackface as a joyous memory. I'm hoping that once AEW opens the doors for trans wrestlers on the grand stage, it'll lead to some positive progress and more opportunities, but I'm not expecting WWE to catch up for a long, long time.
(Also, wow. I have never been happier to see that accounts have been deactivated than looking through that previous thread, holy shit, so many people who should have known better. 2008. 2008. It wasn't the dark ages, for crying out loud.)
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