TGM
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Post by TGM on Apr 2, 2019 10:46:59 GMT -5
Reading that post from 11 years ago, I'm so glad times have changed.
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 2, 2019 10:48:26 GMT -5
The idea of 2008 being a "completely different time" is completely frying my head. It feels like yesterday. Dude, on a seperate topic from all this, at the wrestling school I train at most of the people there are at least 15-18 years old and they're ridiculously nostalgic for 2004-2008 WWE, it makes me feel like the oldest goddamn human in the world. "Man, remember Carlito and Mr. Kennedy", they say as I watch myself turn into dust. Time to become Soylent Green, Methuselah.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 2, 2019 11:01:03 GMT -5
Not a fan of what, exactly?
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salz4life
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Post by salz4life on Apr 2, 2019 11:05:36 GMT -5
For me, if they are good and entertaining... I say go for it. However, I fear it would be pooped on overall.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Apr 2, 2019 11:08:15 GMT -5
I don't know if WWE is ready to promote a transgender wrestler as a serious competitor if the opportunity was there. I think they would present it negatively and in a derogatory fashion, and I think that identity as transgender would be used as the basis for any angle thay particular performer was involved in, which would be very awkward. Also, WWE still has never had an openly gay or lesbian wrestler on screen in a respectful way--I couldn't imagine how they would present a transgender wrestler. However, I do think a good start would be finding an extremely passable transwoman to be a valet or manager, a lot like Poison in Street Fighter to at least prove that transwomen can be just as beautiful as any other woman and don't all look like men in drag.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 11:18:22 GMT -5
I don't see WWE as an appropriate stage for championing sensitive social issues, mainly because I've seen no evidence that they're capable of taking them on without either exploiting to get laffs, to create shock and awe, or just to wank themselves off to how progressive they think they are. In my mind, the only way to do this would be to not define the wrestler by their gender identity, but I have a feeling that they would be reminding us that the superstar is transgender more times than they remind us that Natalya is the Anvil's daughter. The question is not IF there should be a transgender superstar in WWE, because there will. The question is if WWE is ready to present them with dignity.
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 2, 2019 11:21:29 GMT -5
I don't see WWE as an appropriate stage for championing sensitive social issues, mainly because I've seen no evidence that they're capable of taking them on without either exploiting to get laffs, to create shock and awe, or just to wank themselves off to how progressive they think they are. In my mind, the only way to do this would be to not define the wrestler by their gender identity, but I have a feeling that they would be reminding us that the superstar is transgender more times than they remind us that Natalya is the Anvil's daughter. The question is not IF there should be a transgender superstar in WWE, because there will. The question is if WWE is ready to present them with dignity. And see, there's the other side of it, where if they DID do it quietly and without fanfare, some people would want to know why that person isn't being made a bigger deal of. Why they're not being used to "champion the cause" on-air. It's still a double-egded blade.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 2, 2019 11:37:39 GMT -5
WWE can do anything if they wanted to. They control every single creative aspect of their product.
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brentreznor
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Post by brentreznor on Apr 2, 2019 11:43:09 GMT -5
The WWE would be damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they push the trans person as a baby face and have them win the title, then they're pandering and trying too hard to be progressive. If they book them as a heal and have them lose. Then they would be accused of transphobia. Every little thing done with the character would be under the microscope and over-analyzed.
If their was a trans wrestler out there. They would have to be The Rock combined with Ric Flair and Hogan for people to give it a chance.
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Post by BRV on Apr 2, 2019 11:45:05 GMT -5
I don't see why they couldn't do it. They've had gay and lesbian performers in recent years and they've just been wrestlers who happen to be gay and lesbian. It's not like they turned Darren Young into Adorable Adrian Adonis and it's not like they made Sonya Deville debut as a "Cloudy" character. I see no reason why WWE couldn't do the same with a transgender person, just have them be a wrestler and not some over-the-top stereotype of their gender identity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 11:49:34 GMT -5
I don't see why they couldn't do it. They've had gay and lesbian performers in recent years and they've just been wrestlers who happen to be gay and lesbian. It's not like they turned Darren Young into Adorable Adrian Adonis and it's not like they made Sonya Deville debut as a "Cloudy" character. I see no reason why WWE couldn't do the same with a transgender person, just have them be a wrestler and not some over-the-top stereotype of their gender identity. Because the question of which division a transgender wrestler should compete in.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 2, 2019 11:50:57 GMT -5
I don't see why they couldn't do it. They've had gay and lesbian performers in recent years and they've just been wrestlers who happen to be gay and lesbian. It's not like they turned Darren Young into Adorable Adrian Adonis and it's not like they made Sonya Deville debut as a "Cloudy" character. I see no reason why WWE couldn't do the same with a transgender person, just have them be a wrestler and not some over-the-top stereotype of their gender identity. Because the question of which division a transgender wrestler should compete in. ...The division they class themselves as? That seems like an easy question to answer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 11:55:32 GMT -5
Because the question of which division a transgender wrestler should compete in. ...The division they class themselves as? That seems like an easy question to answer. Yes, and the shitstorm that will follow a wrestler who is biologically male competing in the women's division.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 2, 2019 11:57:42 GMT -5
Reading that post from 11 years ago, I'm so glad times have changed. "I loves me some trannys" Yeah, not if you call them that, poster from 11 years ago
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 2, 2019 12:00:41 GMT -5
I don't see why they couldn't do it. They've had gay and lesbian performers in recent years and they've just been wrestlers who happen to be gay and lesbian. It's not like they turned Darren Young into Adorable Adrian Adonis and it's not like they made Sonya Deville debut as a "Cloudy" character. I see no reason why WWE couldn't do the same with a transgender person, just have them be a wrestler and not some over-the-top stereotype of their gender identity. Because the question of which division a transgender wrestler should compete in. The division of their chosen gender presentation, obviously.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 2, 2019 12:01:24 GMT -5
...The division they class themselves as? That seems like an easy question to answer. Yes, and the shitstorm that will follow a wrestler who is biologically male competing in the women's division. So two things, very important things here, 1) There are way too many scientific studies and papers that say as recently as last year that the difference between male and female biology is one of the more overblown aspects of the human body. This isn't the place here to do it but the basic thing here is the difference is hormones and even then, again, it's slightly more overblown than what's out there. 2 (and the most important one here)) It's pro wrestling. It's not "real" sport. If Becky Lynch wanted to compete for the Universal belt and WWE put the work to make it a good story in, Becky Lynch could compete for the Universal title. Simple as that.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 2, 2019 12:06:08 GMT -5
Yes, and the shitstorm that will follow a wrestler who is biologically male competing in the women's division. So two things, very important things here, 1) There are way too many scientific studies and papers that say as recently as last year that the difference between male and female biology is one of the more overblown aspects of the human body. This isn't the place here to do it but the basic thing here is the difference is hormones and even then, again, it's slightly more overblown than what's out there. 2 (and the most important one here)) It's pro wrestling. It's not "real" sport. If Becky Lynch wanted to compete for the Universal belt and WWE put the work to make it a good story in, Becky Lynch could compete for the Universal title. Simple as that. Yeah, its a real discussion to have in competitive sports, particularly above the high school level. It isn't in our goofy carny as shit fake fighting entertainment program.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 2, 2019 12:06:51 GMT -5
WWE could simply say "all our wrestlers, regardless of sex and gender are highly skilled athletes capable of competiting with each other" to deflect any male versus female criticism.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 2, 2019 12:08:21 GMT -5
I'm embarrassed that I used the slur I did back then. Yeesh. That wasn't right of me and I'm glad I've learned to treat the transgender and nonbinary community with a lot more respect since then.
That said, I still don't trust WWE to handle any trans wrestler with any sort of dignity or respect. Or a good chunk of wrestling fans, for that matter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 12:11:32 GMT -5
Yes, and the shitstorm that will follow a wrestler who is biologically male competing in the women's division. So two things, very important things here, 1) There are way too many scientific studies and papers that say as recently as last year that the difference between male and female biology is one of the more overblown aspects of the human body. This isn't the place here to do it but the basic thing here is the difference is hormones and even then, again, it's slightly more overblown than what's out there. 2 (and the most important one here)) It's pro wrestling. It's not "real" sport. If Becky Lynch wanted to compete for the Universal belt and WWE put the work to make it a good story in, Becky Lynch could compete for the Universal title. Simple as that. Cool, so are you suggesting that WWE use it as an opportunity to smarten up the audience on the biological differences between sexes? Do you think the audience is going to care or are they just going to fall back on, "It doesn't seem right to me cuz reasons" Again, the question isn't whether transgender wrestlers should be allowed in WWE. It's whether WWE is ready to integrate them, and I'm simply giving reasons why they aren't right now.
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