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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 7, 2019 11:45:50 GMT -5
Honestly, last night really killed the last of my lingering interest in ROH right now. Can’t see myself going out of my way to watch for awhile.
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Post by Facetious on Apr 7, 2019 11:54:11 GMT -5
Honestly, last night really killed the last of my lingering interest in ROH right now. Can’t see myself going out of my way to watch for awhile. Same here. With the recent signings, I was really interested. Now? Nah.
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Post by Spider2024 on Apr 7, 2019 11:57:51 GMT -5
I did hear that they just changed their TV theme song to:
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 7, 2019 12:01:35 GMT -5
Honestly, last night really killed the last of my lingering interest in ROH right now. Can’t see myself going out of my way to watch for awhile. Same here. With the recent signings, I was really interested. Now? Nah. Yeah, I was pumped for the signings, and now I’m just sitting here wondering what the f*** they’re doing
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Post by Rave on Apr 7, 2019 12:17:44 GMT -5
I don't understand how ROH could've bungled this that badly. I don't think I ever will understand, either. This should've been a triumph. All eyes were on them, it should've been the perfect opportunity for them to expand and make new fans.
Instead, we got nepotism, the Beautiful People part 99,157, and a bad Enzo/Cass work shoot.
Their thought processes as to why these things had to happen at MSG of all places must be fascinating. Goodness knows that Allure bullshit could've been on the weekly show or not done at all, and why anyone would want to sign Enzo after he became persona non grata...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 12:40:18 GMT -5
It's strange how the biggest show ROH has ever done may well also be their biggest mistake. This was their chance to really prove they still have it and they did anything but.
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Post by chronocross on Apr 7, 2019 12:46:49 GMT -5
I haven’t watched ROH in a long time. Im blown away by how low-rent so many of their wrestlers look. Generic guys in ill-fitting attire fumbling around. A big fat guy who’s biggest spot is yelling “I don’t have teeeeeeth!” There’s this obnoxious singapore cane spot thats supposed to be this grand moment for Flip Gordon or whatever. The faces finally turn the tide and how do the announcers sell it? By singing Star Wars music. What the hell happened?! Neither have I, it's been almost 10 years since I've followed it closely and the footage I saw didn't look that appealing to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 12:50:45 GMT -5
It is one thing to have a completely uninteresting weekly product but to completely bungle the biggest stage your company has ever had and ontop of it get upstaged by your partner promotion on that same stage.
NJPW came out smelling like a daisy and ROH came out smelling like Deans dumpster.
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Post by Error on Apr 7, 2019 12:56:12 GMT -5
Honestly, last night really killed the last of my lingering interest in ROH right now. Can’t see myself going out of my way to watch for awhile. About the same for me too. It was Jeff Cobb and the Lifeblood guys that kept me following but I'll be seeing them in NJPW and in much more interesting uses.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 7, 2019 12:56:45 GMT -5
ROH's creative direction is abysmal nowadays. Matt Taven is a good worker but this for real feels like Justin Credible winning the ECW title. Not quite Jinder winning the WWE title level but it's not much better. Ever since they lost the Bullet Club crutch, the whole company feels like it's spinning it's wheels big time. There are some potential bright spots (Rush and Bandido just to name a couple) but by and all, terribly dull product.
Just reading the results from last night, it read like a great New Japan show dragged down by a subpar ROH show.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 7, 2019 12:59:17 GMT -5
Also, lmao at them still doing the Allure angle after the news already came out that they hijacked it from Madison Rayne and just kicked her out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 13:00:55 GMT -5
ROH was just out of their depth on this one. They were throwing so much out there to compensate for the fact that people were there for NJPW.
If they just lined up some solid singles and tag matches and removed all the smoke and mirrors stuff I think they'd have fared a whole lot better. It was really jarring to go from the classy professionalism of NJPW to the lowbrow rasslin' that ROH decided to bring to the table and it dragged the whole thing down for me.
I really like Matt Taven and I think he's highly underrated, but this wasn't the night to put a title on him, he's just not established enough, or at least if they were gonna do it, I'd rather they done it in a singles match or something a bit higher brow than a spotty ladder match. If ROH kept it simple, I think they might have left the night with a few extra fans.
I think this was as high as ROH goes, I don't think they'll be getting any shots like this ever again unless they make some serious changes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 13:03:47 GMT -5
How wild is it that the worst thing you can really say about TNA right now is that it's kind of dull while ROH is the company that's having the 38934894389034th unwanted Beautiful People reunion and hiring ex-WWE guys no one wants to watch?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 13:32:28 GMT -5
I had stopped watching ROH but when they announced the MSG show it was a guaranteed watch for me so at the beginning of the year I started watching the weekly TV again and it was so lifeless and painfully dull so I skipped the anniversary show but continued watching the tv and the build for this show was nothing special and to me this should have be pushed way harder and looked at as the most important show in company history that wasn’t the case and I skipped this show.
Matt Taven is an okay midcard heel that Delirious has an odd fascination with he had to be talked down a couple years ago about putting the world title on Taven the least he coulda did was try and give him a bigger push for a long while to make him seem like a bigger deal but that’s what someone with a clue would do instead it just shows how screwed roh is without The Elite Guys.
Not Surprised Marty didn’t get the title he should have got it this time last year and I figure they figure Marty is AEW Bound the second his contract is up.
I don’t mind Enzo and Cass coming in as atleast its someone new for ROH as there’s only so many times I can watch The Briscoes as tag champs or challenging for the tag belts.
I liked The Beautiful People back in 2009 but that was a decade ago and its been rehashed atleast a half a dozen times since then and I didn’t think Mandy was still a wrestler as she only seemed to be guest commentator for WOH matches on live events for the last year or more.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Apr 7, 2019 13:36:16 GMT -5
It's weird, because people talk about ROH plenty... they get lots of buzz and ink. But now people are coming out of the woodwork to say they don't keep up with it and haven't for years. It's a weird state for a company to be in.
It's not that they don't have the talent, they just somehow make people not care. How on earth do they have people like Kenny King, Flip Gordon, Dalton Castle, PJ Black, Tracy Williams... and then throw them out there with nothing, or with something that is actively hateworthy? This roster is bookable.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 7, 2019 13:45:25 GMT -5
How wild is it that the worst thing you can really say about TNA right now is that it's kind of dull while ROH is the company that's having the 38934894389034th unwanted Beautiful People reunion and hiring ex-WWE guys no one wants to watch? I honestly enjoyed United We Stand more then anything ROH did on last nights card
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Apr 7, 2019 13:45:51 GMT -5
My favorite bit was the English commentators trying to hype up Will Ferrara entering as literally no one in the building made a sound because they had absolutely 0 clue who he was.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 7, 2019 14:01:37 GMT -5
My favorite bit was the English commentators trying to hype up Will Ferrara entering as literally no one in the building made a sound because they had absolutely 0 clue who he was. They couldn't recognize him without his Ron Burgundy costume.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 14:44:07 GMT -5
It's weird, because people talk about ROH plenty... they get lots of buzz and ink. But now people are coming out of the woodwork to say they don't keep up with it and haven't for years. It's a weird state for a company to be in. It's not that they don't have the talent, they just somehow make people not care. How on earth do they have people like Kenny King, Flip Gordon, Dalton Castle, PJ Black, Tracy Williams... and then throw them out there with nothing, or with something that is actively hateworthy? This roster is bookable. And when people are talking about "What happened to Ring of Honor?! This isn't the Ring of Honor I knew!", I have to point out to people that the Ring of Honor they knew died years ago, and this slowly replaced it. It wasn't like a switch was flipped and suddenly ROH became garbage, as it did with WCW where people just got fed up with the same 4 or 5 people on top and their solution was to push those same 4 or 5 people harder. It's like The Simpsons. They didn't become a decrepit zombie overnight; the decay became gradual that you can actually pinpoint at certain points when the quality began to take a nosedive and why. It started around the Clone Wars, right after they got rid of Jim Cornette and Sinclair bought the promotion. Delirious became head booker after they fired Adam Pearce a few months prior, and that's when they decided to that Eddie "Gimmicks Make Me Lamer" Edwards and Davey "Asshole" Richards was to be the company's focal point, and Davey was champion for just shy a year. The company then went into a "dark age", of sorts, where people online just didn't talk about Ring of Honor since they moved on to other indy federations. The UK scene was starting to get big again, New Japan had finally recovered from Inoki's MMA fetish, and of course, there was NXT to talk about. I believe it was because of the Clone Wars that a lot of wrestling fans distanced themselves from ROH and, until last night, forgot it was a thing and were surprised as to how far it fell; it was just that last night managed to fall off a freaking cliff that you assumed it was instantaneous. But it gets better... or worse. Your judgment will beg to differ. I started watching ROH around 2016 during the brief period of time they had it on Comet TV, and this was during a very tough period of my life, when I had just lost my mother and was about to lose my oldest brother, so my memories of ROH are more vivid as a result. They had managed to find a spark after years of inactivity, thanks to an awful Jay Briscoe reign and a nothing-burger Jay Lethal reign (oh, how naïve we were...), as reDragon and the former Bad Influence (Kazarian and Daniels) were helping ROH get the company back to a level of respect. Unfortunately, another big act at the time was the Kingdom, and to remind people that Mike "Carl Buddig's too Exotic" Kanellis once led a faction that was a focal point in a promotion still amazes me. Seems like this may have been the time in which ROH could have been on the path to recovery after the Clone Wars and the aftermath, but... apparently not. I mean, look at Dalton Castle. People then talked about him possibly being a potential world champion in a few years back in 2016 (and, even though he did, Ring of Honor sure did him no favors on top, before making him drop it back to Jay Lethal and his second, even longer nothing-burger reign), and now, after last night, he's likely just going to be used as a midcard heel at best. This is going somewhere, I promise. What I think is ultimately ROH's greatest failure is their fear of utilization. They're afraid of using people on the rise out of fear that another promotion (be it WWE, New Japan, or even AEW) will snatch them up, leaving them high and dry, which was why they always kept the belt on Jay Lethal, knowing he'd never leave, and is why they're entrusting the belt on Matt Taven, knowing no other promotion will have any interest in signing him away. People those promotions don't want or have used already and are of no use, however, ROH seems to be happy to use, and that only hurts their image. Why would you want to support a promotion that gladly will take somebody else's sloppy seconds, baggage and all? Delirious became booker in September of 2010, and Sinclair bought ROH in January of 2011. That's a one-two punch of malaise, and considering that it seems that Sinclair is alright with the people on top of ROH, they're not going to change up anything, meaning expect more stupidity to be coming up in the future.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 7, 2019 14:58:52 GMT -5
As bad as it was you swore Russo booked this show.
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