The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on May 19, 2019 11:41:27 GMT -5
Didn't Pac have a shouting match with Vince on his way out of WWE?
Seems like an intense guy lol
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Post by The Trashman on May 19, 2019 11:52:37 GMT -5
The bigger problem isn't even this match but who are they going to have Omega wrestle after Jericho now?
If they don't have Moxley I'm not sure Joey Janela or MJF is going to get ppv buys at $50 bucks a pop.
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Post by markymark on May 19, 2019 11:56:03 GMT -5
The bigger problem isn't even this match but who are they going to have Omega wrestle after Jericho now? If they don't have Moxley I'm not sure Joey Janela or MJF is going to get ppv buys at $50 bucks a pop. When is Marty Scurll ROH contract expiring again?
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Post by eJm on May 19, 2019 12:20:07 GMT -5
The bigger problem isn't even this match but who are they going to have Omega wrestle after Jericho now? If they don't have Moxley I'm not sure Joey Janela or MJF is going to get ppv buys at $50 bucks a pop. When is Marty Scurll ROH contract expiring again? Considering they’ve started the teasing for him signing a few weeks ago, seems like it’s sooner rather than later.
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Post by Brian Suntan on May 19, 2019 12:54:25 GMT -5
This is a large part of what killed WCW. Too many wrestlers given creative control and using it to resist putting anyone over. With all the ripping on Vince/WWE, we got our first “hold my beer” moment from AEW. Indeed, although in WCW's case it was some of the biggest stars in the history of the business refusing to job, not Neville from 205 Live (who I like btw). I just can't really believe this. Him having visa issues and them adding this meta storyline element to it just seems to make way more sense. I don't know Pac, I would assume he isn't that much of a mark.
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Post by burdette25159 on May 19, 2019 13:17:24 GMT -5
Something to think about, AEW is asking for $50 for this show. PAC vs Page was surely one of the more highly anticipated matches. If they don't announce a replacement for this, could that badly effect the buyrate for this show? it won't tank the buyrate, but it'll hurt it. longtime fan of Adam Page, but he was not the draw in that match. PAC is the biggest name to get up and walk out on WWE since Punk, and for all intents and purposes this was his comeback match for American audiences. unless they're signed up for Dragon Gate's streaming service or the specific streaming services of the various European promotions he's been competing in, this was their first chance to see him since he gave Vince & Co the ol' Austin salute and said "I'm better than this s*** you've got me doing". when you've got a fan sitting on the fence debating about whether or not to order the show, this is exactly the type of thing that'll help push them over the edge and make them order Which could be good news for the NBA (should a game 6 be necessary) and FS1's PBC boxing card that night (alongside whatever ESPN and ESPN2 is airing that night also)
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 13:25:17 GMT -5
AEW's biggest mistake they have made so far in all of this is all the boasting they have done
We are gonna change the business , Wins and losses will really matter in our company etc.
They have put themselves out there like they have learned from every other company and will never make those same mistakes , be this flawless efficent company but now they slipped on the first bannana peel and now their boasting has been jarred a little bit.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 13:50:03 GMT -5
Honestly a big blow to my interest in watching the show, PAC was the main thing I was wanting to see.
Granted I'm not at all on his side here, whole thing sounds petty as hell. Especially if he's really refusing to lose to Omega of all people.
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Post by greyfmdan on May 19, 2019 13:57:18 GMT -5
I’m personally fairly neutral on PAC. While I’m not a huge fan, I have nothing against him and do think he deserved more than he got in WWE.
That said, if this is indeed a booking issue (& that seems to be a big if at this point), AEW may have dodged a bullet in some respects. Yes, it stings for the moment. But AEW doesn’t need talent around who’s going to be refusing to do what’s asked of them. That’s part of what killed WCW. And if Moxley turns out to be his replacement, that much the better for AEW; Moxley is likely a far more marketable name than PAC.
Now, in all fairness to PAC, if it was that he wanted to protect the DG title out of loyalty to DG, I get that. But if he’s agreed to do work for AEW, he needs to be willing to do what they ask him to do. Likewise, AEW should have been honest about their intentions for him, and if there was a disconnect between his loyalties and their plans, those differences needed to be reconciled before the two parties reached a working agreement. Hopefully this will be an early lesson learned for AEW.
Again, though, all this seems to be a pretty big if at this point. Hopefully whatever issues are going on—be it with booking, his visa, or whatever—are quickly resolved in the way that’s best for all involved.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 19, 2019 13:57:54 GMT -5
Honestly a big blow to my interest in watching the show, PAC was the main thing I was wanting to see. Granted I'm not at all on his side here, whole thing sounds petty as hell. Especially if he's really refusing to lose to Omega of all people. He's not being petty as much as he's putting DG ahead of everyone else. He wouldn't be laying down for Hogan in 1987 if he was holding the DG belt, he's ride or die with them. The situation absolutely sucks but it's actually kind of nice seeing someone with so much loyalty to a single promotion.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 14:00:58 GMT -5
The situation is what it is but like how does this happen a week before the event?
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Post by greyfmdan on May 19, 2019 14:06:48 GMT -5
This is a large part of what killed WCW. Too many wrestlers given creative control and using it to resist putting anyone over. With all the ripping on Vince/WWE, we got our first “hold my beer” moment from AEW. Indeed, although in WCW's case it was some of the biggest stars in the history of the business refusing to job, not Neville from 205 Live (who I like btw). I don’t disagree. But given the shift in the industry over the past 20 years, and the fact that he’s one of the top indy/non-WWE names out there at the moment, I think the comparison is still apt. Just my $.02, though.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 19, 2019 14:32:53 GMT -5
The situation is what it is but like how does this happen a week before the event? They probably didn't realize that DG was planning on keeping the belt on PAC through September. The plan (according to Big Daddy Meltz) was to put PAC over Page at DON, and then build to a PAC/Omega program for the world title at All In 2 where Omega would win and establish him as the top guy going into the TNT show. PAC is refusing to do any jobs as long as he's holding the Dream Gate title out of respect to DG, and the assumption was that he was going to be losing the Dream Gate at DG's big July show. When they found out that PAC wasn't going to lose to Omega in September, they got stuck in a place where they either had to keep the same plans to put a guy that wasn't in their long-term plans anymore over someone that they're clearly high on (when the entire promotion is being booked so win/loss records actually matter) or just nuke the whole thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 15:24:59 GMT -5
Man this whole PAC crap is what I feared for this company. AEW going to be great for a lot of things but if someone is saying "I refuse to do this, I'm not wrestling" this outright in the beginning then hell who knows what everyone else is going to say. Who's to say we won't have a litany of wrestlers refusing to play ball?
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Post by Defrebel - White Pony on May 19, 2019 15:52:59 GMT -5
So they cancelled an entire match with Adam Page because PAC refused to lose to Kenny Omega in the future?
Yeah that's not a very good sign in regards to the brainpower behind the company, lol.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 19, 2019 16:42:46 GMT -5
So they cancelled an entire match with Adam Page because PAC refused to lose to Kenny Omega in the future? Yeah that's not a very good sign in regards to the brainpower behind the company, lol. They said Double or Nothing. Not Double or a suitable replacement to be named at a later date
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 19, 2019 16:44:00 GMT -5
Meltzer saying its not a visa issue is something though. He’s pretty much AEW’s unofficial news guy. It’s pathetic, tbh. Man acts like the Elite is paying his rent
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Post by markymark on May 19, 2019 16:52:26 GMT -5
When is Marty Scurll ROH contract expiring again? Considering they’ve started the teasing for him signing a few weeks ago, seems like it’s sooner rather than later.
Im more interested seeing Marty than Pac, specially after that great match he had vs Aldis at Crockett Cup 2019. Marty/Jericho could be quite a fun feud.
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Post by THE FVNKER on May 19, 2019 16:59:56 GMT -5
Ok so tell me this..
One of the EVP's, either Cody or the Bucks said that the first few shows have already been written, right? Not to mention, this was said in an interview months ago. So after all this time and planning.. knowing that they had already written shows waayyy in advance.. PAC opts out of the match and potentially the company ONE WEEK out from their debut event?
If the story is true that would mean that none of this was discussed with PAC or DG ahead of time?? That would be an EPIC miscalculation.
I honestly cant wrap my head around that, but on the other hand.. if it's a work, I dont see the benefit.
We'll see what happens I guess, either this coming week or on Saturday. Unfortunately I won't be able to purchase this one so I'll probably have to catch highlights but oh well.
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Post by eJm on May 19, 2019 17:06:43 GMT -5
I honestly cant wrap my head around that, but on the other hand.. if it's a work, I dont see the benefit. That is why I sort of dislike thinking it’s a work or a cover for the Visa stuff because, like you said, it benefits nobody. But what I’ve learned from WWE in the last 5 years is to take things said as a work until there’s a reason not to think it’s a work. That’s not to say that if Saturday comes and they’ve not mentioned PAC at all I won’t admit there’s something wrong and this is a misstep but...I don’t know, something seems really off about the reasoning.
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