mattyy
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Post by mattyy on May 20, 2019 0:25:18 GMT -5
a match aew books is cancelled - the end of aew, it's a failure, dead before arrival a match wwe books never happens - business as usual, everything is okay
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EyeofTyr
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 20, 2019 0:26:18 GMT -5
I think the solution to that is... Suck it up and lose while he has the belt. I really don't see how on earth this would hurt him at all, or really how many people would even actually care. I see PAC point but this is one of those weird things where dude we really can't work for you if you can't lose matches You would have thought this is something he said to them from jump and not something that came up last min It's not so much last minute as by all accounts everyone, including PAC, thought he was going to be a shorter term champion. With that in mind, he likely initially agreed to AEW thinking that by the time he'd lose to Omega or whoever he'd have dropped his title. When it became obvious he wasn't going to be, and be holding onto the title into the time period he'd be feuding with Omega, he backed out.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 20, 2019 1:04:24 GMT -5
I see PAC point but this is one of those weird things where dude we really can't work for you if you can't lose matches You would have thought this is something he said to them from jump and not something that came up last min Honestly I genuinely don't see his point. He'd hardly be the first guy to lose a match in the middle of a title reign and personally, if I'm AEW about to be the first real potential competitor WWE's had in nearly 20 years, if a guy is willing to prioritize another company over a potential main-event push right out of the gate then I'd decide the guy wasn't worth having on my roster. I mean not everyone that is going to come into AEW is going to bleed AEW and drink the kool aid. They are going to have a few "special attractions" that have their own outside circumstances like PAC but you expect to have around for a while. In his circumstance he still wants to hold his commitment to Dragon Gate and put over the next person to the fullest when he does drop it. It doesn't seem like he's not taking an L anytime(tho Meltz kind of worded it funny), just he's not taking L's while he is holding that title. If he hasn't lost anywhere since he won the title than it is a consistent thing and not just because he doesn't want to lose in AEW If he were to have the AEW title and ran around with that to different promotions he would say the same thing he is saying now. To say he's not worth having on your roster is going to far when you take it all into totality. Now, if he holds this high opinion of himself after the title is gone then we still have problems but for now that is the X factor At least that is my opinion of it
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 20, 2019 1:09:53 GMT -5
I see PAC point but this is one of those weird things where dude we really can't work for you if you can't lose matches You would have thought this is something he said to them from jump and not something that came up last min It's not so much last minute as by all accounts everyone, including PAC, thought he was going to be a shorter term champion. With that in mind, he likely initially agreed to AEW thinking that by the time he'd lose to Omega or whoever he'd have dropped his title. When it became obvious he wasn't going to be, and be holding onto the title into the time period he'd be feuding with Omega, he backed out. Well yeah I was basically saying I figured he came in saying yo listen I can't lose until I drop this title but I guess it didn't need to be said since it didn't seem like a concern The problems moving forward that could arise from this is whoever they pull in from different promotions they have to ask these questions first and foremost before planning anything as far as matches are concerned
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Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 1:17:53 GMT -5
I get what PAC's reasoning is, but boy, this basically kills most of my interest in any matches he has until he's lost the belt.
Most streaks end up being extremely boring once you realize that there is no match drama when the outcome is already obvious.
PAC's good, but so is Asuka, and Asuka got really boring at the end of NXT for this reason, and so did PAC as cruiserweight champion.
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Post by eJm on May 20, 2019 12:23:24 GMT -5
So they did the whole Wrestle Gate stuff on BTE today...they’re putting up the match tomorrow on their YouTube.
I know that was the plan from reports but...I don’t know, it still seems super fishy.
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Post by cmhunk on May 20, 2019 12:51:45 GMT -5
So they did the whole Wrestle Gate stuff on BTE today...they’re putting up the match tomorrow on their YouTube. I know that was the plan from reports but...I don’t know, it still seems super fishy. I think it is very likely that they are just using this as a potential hook should PAC actually want to come in and work for them in the future.
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Juice
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Post by Juice on May 20, 2019 13:15:13 GMT -5
Shit wouldn’t fly with Vince. We all hate him and everything but...
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Venti
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Post by Venti on May 20, 2019 14:05:27 GMT -5
I get he's just trying to protect the DG title.. but I don't know..
You're being paid by these guys to do a show their way, and when you start raising a fuss last second, you're basically saying "nah, we're doing it this way".
I know pro wrestling isn't nearly comparable to a boring regular-day job like mine, but being in a higher up role where you have to make decisions, and people who are supposed to listen to you trying to run things gets frustrating, and the fact this is the second time PAC has thrown a fuss with a company about booking.
Like dude, either y'all should have figured this long before you started building to this match, or just do what they are likely paying you good money to do. It's a job first and foremost.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 20, 2019 19:12:23 GMT -5
I see PAC point but this is one of those weird things where dude we really can't work for you if you can't lose matches You would have thought this is something he said to them from jump and not something that came up last min It's not so much last minute as by all accounts everyone, including PAC, thought he was going to be a shorter term champion. With that in mind, he likely initially agreed to AEW thinking that by the time he'd lose to Omega or whoever he'd have dropped his title. When it became obvious he wasn't going to be, and be holding onto the title into the time period he'd be feuding with Omega, he backed out. I hope that’s not the case, because if so PAC completely f***ed AEW and the fans with his attitude. Be an adult about it and tell the management at both companies your concerns so they can try and work something out.
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Post by THE FVNKER on May 20, 2019 19:19:13 GMT -5
Regardless of all this mess, it seems like the best thing to do is just release that match tomorrow or whatever they said, and let this whole thing die without drawing any more attention to it. Seems like what they're gonna do any way.
With that being said, hopefully Hangman can still find his way onto the show in a meaningful capacity. Out of all of the talent involved with this whole thing, I think he might be my favorite.
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Lupin the Third
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Post by Lupin the Third on May 21, 2019 11:40:34 GMT -5
Here's an idea. Hangman Page is getting back into shape, or at least that's what it looks like on Being The Elite.
He comes to Double or Nothing, saying he's prepared for this, and will challenge anyone for a fight.
BAM, "Shitlist" hits, and out walks JON MOXLEY.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 12:10:47 GMT -5
Regardless of all this mess, it seems like the best thing to do is just release that match tomorrow or whatever they said, and let this whole thing die without drawing any more attention to it. Seems like what they're gonna do any way. With that being said, hopefully Hangman can still find his way onto the show in a meaningful capacity. Out of all of the talent involved with this whole thing, I think he might be my favorite. Here's the match. Seems like they just killed the match the easiest way possible; PAC gets in his heel heat, announces he ain't working the event or with AEW, and bounces. That way, you can have Hangman be set up with a surprise at Double or Nothing.
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tenshi
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Post by tenshi on May 21, 2019 12:11:31 GMT -5
Here's an idea. Hangman Page is getting back into shape, or at least that's what it looks like on Being The Elite. He comes to Double or Nothing, saying he's prepared for this, and will challenge anyone for a fight. BAM, "Shitlist" hits, and out walks JON MOXLEY. Does he has a no compete clause or not? Because people are all but swearing that Not Dean Ambrose will show up at AEW's launching event as a late replacement instead of getting a proper build.
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Post by KofiMania on May 21, 2019 12:24:04 GMT -5
Here's an idea. Hangman Page is getting back into shape, or at least that's what it looks like on Being The Elite. He comes to Double or Nothing, saying he's prepared for this, and will challenge anyone for a fight. BAM, "Shitlist" hits, and out walks JON MOXLEY. Does he has a no compete clause or not? Because people are all but swearing that Not Dean Ambrose will show up at AEW's launching event as a late replacement instead of getting a proper build. He didn’t get released early from his deal, his contract just expired. The no-compete clause applies only when guys get out of their deals early. He’s free to work anywhere, any time.
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Post by eJm on May 21, 2019 12:36:10 GMT -5
Does he has a no compete clause or not? Because people are all but swearing that Not Dean Ambrose will show up at AEW's launching event as a late replacement instead of getting a proper build. He didn’t get released early from his deal, his contract just expired. The no-compete clause applies only when guys get out of their deals early. He’s free to work anywhere, any time. He’d probably wouldn’t have been able to upload that video if he was on a no compete as well. Not because of allowances but because it would have made little marketing sense.
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Post by eJm on May 21, 2019 13:03:47 GMT -5
Honestly I genuinely don't see his point. He'd hardly be the first guy to lose a match in the middle of a title reign and personally, if I'm AEW about to be the first real potential competitor WWE's had in nearly 20 years, if a guy is willing to prioritize another company over a potential main-event push right out of the gate then I'd decide the guy wasn't worth having on my roster. I mean not everyone that is going to come into AEW is going to bleed AEW and drink the kool aid. They are going to have a few "special attractions" that have their own outside circumstances like PAC but you expect to have around for a while. In his circumstance he still wants to hold his commitment to Dragon Gate and put over the next person to the fullest when he does drop it. It doesn't seem like he's not taking an L anytime(tho Meltz kind of worded it funny), just he's not taking L's while he is holding that title. If he hasn't lost anywhere since he won the title than it is a consistent thing and not just because he doesn't want to lose in AEW If he were to have the AEW title and ran around with that to different promotions he would say the same thing he is saying now. To say he's not worth having on your roster is going to far when you take it all into totality. Now, if he holds this high opinion of himself after the title is gone then we still have problems but for now that is the X factor At least that is my opinion of it It's also like someone else said; AEW probably wants to work with Dragon Gate at some point and it was probably the reason they allowed PAC to have the belt with him at the press conference. If you want to cooperate with other companies, you want to at least show respect to them in the same way I'm sure AEW would if the world title was defended at the Tokyo Dome and not against, say, Ishii in a non title match where Ishii wins. Look at TNA with their relationship with NJPW back in the day where the tag titles changed hands every few weeks without NJPW agreeing to it and their talent being used as jobber fodder for the main stars. Remember the time No Limit (Naito and Takahashi) were squashed by Kevin Nash in minutes? In the year TWO THOUSAND AND NINE?! Like, I get how much it sucks and I do wish they figured something out better to make their own standards make sense (for the record, I probably would have had PAC beat Page in Vegas and built a retribution arc down the road but that's just me) but WWE don't have to think about this because WWE doesn't do that sort of thing with companies. Hell, the only people who seem to under the WWE banner are PROGRESS, WXW and ICW but they might as well be subsidiaries in the wider WWE scope.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 21, 2019 13:25:51 GMT -5
Regardless of all this mess, it seems like the best thing to do is just release that match tomorrow or whatever they said, and let this whole thing die without drawing any more attention to it. Seems like what they're gonna do any way. With that being said, hopefully Hangman can still find his way onto the show in a meaningful capacity. Out of all of the talent involved with this whole thing, I think he might be my favorite. Here's the match. Seems like they just killed the match the easiest way possible; PAC gets in his heel heat, announces he ain't working the event or with AEW, and bounces. That way, you can have Hangman be set up with a surprise at Double or Nothing. Didn’t they not do the match because they didn’t want to do a draw/dq due to “clean finishes only”? Why would they brand this match with the AEW logo on the video?
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Post by cmhunk on May 21, 2019 13:37:15 GMT -5
Here's the match. Seems like they just killed the match the easiest way possible; PAC gets in his heel heat, announces he ain't working the event or with AEW, and bounces. That way, you can have Hangman be set up with a surprise at Double or Nothing. Didn’t they not do the match because they didn’t want to do a draw/dq due to “clean finishes only”? Why would they brand this match with the AEW logo on the video? They’re not anti-draw/dq finishes they just wanted to avoid it on their first major show.
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salz4life
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Post by salz4life on May 21, 2019 14:45:05 GMT -5
I thought it was a good match. Pac is phenominal. This was really my first look at Hangman in a match and I'm sold. He is really good!
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