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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 5, 2020 15:43:33 GMT -5
I know at least in Major League Baseball for example it’s common to make rookies wear little kid backpacks and carry everyone’s stuff around. It seems much more casual and for fun than pro wrestling’s equivalent to it Rookies in MLB wear pajamas and backpacks on team plans and coming off the plane Basketball you'll have shit like having to sing in front of the team or the crowd, getting your car filled with popcorn, etc Football is a mix of all of them and it used to be much more stupid shit like getting tied to the goalpost or having a dick shaved in your head
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 5, 2020 15:44:05 GMT -5
It's all pretty f***ing childish middle school shit if you ask me.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jun 5, 2020 15:47:13 GMT -5
Nobody is being asked to do an extra 4 hours of backbreaking labour, but if you're not willing to carry a drink cooler, or wheel the mitre saw on to the jobsite without bitching about it then it raises questions about how you'll fit into the team. Everyone you're working with has done it before you, whether they've been working 10 weeks or 10 years. It comes across as arrogance, and an unwillingness to work with the team if you're raising hell about it. You roll with it for a bit, and it's generally pretty f***ing quick that someone steps in and says "Hey man, that's not you job to worry about anymore" And just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm specifically referring to low level stuff. Like I said in my last post, there's a definite line between team building and abusive hazing. I'm not talking about shower room sexual assault, or "Hey, you're not a team player if you don't drink this 40 of Jack/snort this gram etc". I've spoken on this before so I will keep it short I don't see nothing wrong with it since I played sports. I think it is just some little 5 min task that just shows you're not above the crowd. If you were trying to shave my head or do anything physically to me we'd have a big f***ing problem but this isn't it. Hell, it isn't the first time you do this and you most likely volunteer to say hey let me help with that which is what HHH did with HBK and Brock has said he offered to do it for Kane and Taker If he don't want to do it that's fine too but it is what it is really and shouldn't need to be blown up to this proportion either Yeah, I realized after my last post that if you've never experienced something like this it sounds a lot worse then it is. It's not like there's a crew of guys sitting there screaming at your lazy ass to do something. It's just a simple "Hey man, the new guys do *insert task here*" and that's expected of you until told otherwise. Sometimes that's lugging gear, sometimes that's clean up duty, but it's usually just to get a read on you. If you volunteer to do something like that, your time on that duty is generally pretty brief. There's definitely hazing shit that needed/needs to be eliminated from wrestling, but pretty light stuff like this isn't really one I see a problem with.
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Post by héad.casé on Jun 5, 2020 15:48:20 GMT -5
This has always been a thing in wrestling. It is something that needs to die out though. We never did that kind of initiation when I was wrestling. If anything it was keep ribbing the new guy and see how he takes it.
The other thing was go around the room shaking hands with everyone from wrestlers to ring crew to referees to trainees. That’s pretty common place in every wrestling locker room though.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Jun 5, 2020 15:51:44 GMT -5
Hazing in general is counterproductive, but in an industry like wrestling that is built entirely around trusting your coworkers enough to not only make them look good but where you are putting your life into their hands every day, small bonding things like this are a way to build unity and show that everyone is part of the team. Especially a dude like Rush, who was known best before coming to the WWE for having a gimmick built around not selling his opponent and doing wild spots. I understand some of his issues, but this in combination with other stories about Rush ain't a good look for him.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jun 5, 2020 15:51:57 GMT -5
These are tall muscular man, they can get their own beer and their own bags. There's enough money in the company to hire someone to do that if they want. They could gire a fleet of people to do it. This is boring outdated macho bullshit. If you need a crew to do something there's one there, you don't just make something traditional by forcing it on people when they clearly would rather not.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 5, 2020 16:04:12 GMT -5
It can happen everywhere and still be super shitty. That's not everyone pitching in, that's people grinding at everyone else's menial work to earn their 'respect' and that's a load of horseshit. That's just not the way you actually develop the bonds where people will have your back and belong 'on your crew'. Normalization doesn't make that okay. Edit: Conversely, I'm honestly ultra wary of people who see not wanting to do this junk as a red flag or make a judgment call of of it. Nobody is being asked to do an extra 4 hours of backbreaking labour, but if you're not willing to carry a drink cooler, or wheel the mitre saw on to the jobsite without bitching about it then it raises questions about how you'll fit into the team. Everyone you're working with has done it before you, whether they've been working 10 weeks or 10 years. It comes across as arrogance, and an unwillingness to work with the team if you're raising hell about it. You roll with it for a bit, and it's generally pretty f***ing quick that someone steps in and says "Hey man, that's not you job to worry about anymore" And just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm specifically referring to low level stuff. Like I said in my last post, there's a definite line between team building and abusive hazing. I'm not talking about shower room sexual assault, or "Hey, you're not a team player if you don't drink this 40 of Jack/snort this gram etc". But this isn't a mitre saw this is someone else's bags. "Hey carry my bags in on top of yours". No f*** that. People have their jobs and this isn't facilitating the doing of their job. I'm going to be way more concerned with someone functions as a team during the important shit than about whether they'll do petty dues-paying stuff when asked. And to that end, this isn't a situation of him flipping his shit over being asked to do something. It's him being asked to do it over and over, being taken aside and told "Hey you should do this. You should really nut up and just carry other peoples' bags." No that's horseshit, and in that position I'd be pretty ready to not trust anyone doing that either. He said he wasn't comfortable with it and he wasn't doing it, everyone trying to push that boundary is being petty at best. These things are cyclical. Anyone who's mad at someone for not doing the same thing they did that they never had to do is, for me, at they're core just resentful that someone else is breaking that cycle. Leo said no, people didn't back of on it, that's messed up. I'm not talking about the extreme f***ed up abusive stuff here and I'd hope people would be against that. But this idea that the new guy has to come inn and prove themselves with extra work and favours? Nah, forget that. Someone helping wheel shit onto a job site is pitching in for the job and I'd hope anyone working that job site would be up for doing it. That's working as a team. All I see here is the disrespect of someone's boundaries and the idea that people are beholden to traditions they want no part of and never signed on for. These are grown men mad that another grown man won't carry their bags in because he's the newest grown man. Nah that's not respect, that's not team building. That's bullshit.
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Post by XIII on Jun 5, 2020 16:11:55 GMT -5
Setting up/taking down rings(which Lio said that he happily did in NXT), getting props ready for the show, setting up the announce table, putting stuff under the ring are all things that I’m fine with the young guys doing, as the vets definitely shouldn’t be doing those things.
Carrying another man’s personal belongings doesn’t fall under that category. I’m carrying mine, you can carry yours.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 5, 2020 16:19:52 GMT -5
Nobody is being asked to do an extra 4 hours of backbreaking labour, but if you're not willing to carry a drink cooler, or wheel the mitre saw on to the jobsite without bitching about it then it raises questions about how you'll fit into the team. Everyone you're working with has done it before you, whether they've been working 10 weeks or 10 years. It comes across as arrogance, and an unwillingness to work with the team if you're raising hell about it. You roll with it for a bit, and it's generally pretty f***ing quick that someone steps in and says "Hey man, that's not you job to worry about anymore" And just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm specifically referring to low level stuff. Like I said in my last post, there's a definite line between team building and abusive hazing. I'm not talking about shower room sexual assault, or "Hey, you're not a team player if you don't drink this 40 of Jack/snort this gram etc". But this isn't a mitre saw this is someone else's bags. "Hey carry my bags in on top of yours". No f*** that. People have their jobs and this isn't facilitating the doing of their job. I'm going to be way more concerned with someone functions as a team during the important shit than about whether they'll do petty dues-paying stuff when asked. And to that end, this isn't a situation of him flipping his shit over being asked to do something. It's him being asked to do it over and over, being taken aside and told "Hey you should do this. You should really nut up and just carry other peoples' bags." No that's horseshit, and in that position I'd be pretty ready to not trust anyone doing that either. He said he wasn't comfortable with it and he wasn't doing it, everyone trying to push that boundary is being petty at best. These things are cyclical. Anyone who's mad at someone for not doing the same thing they did that they never had to do is, for me, at they're core just resentful that someone else is breaking that cycle. Leo said no, people didn't back of on it, that's messed up. I'm not talking about the extreme f***ed up abusive stuff here and I'd hope people would be against that. But this idea that the new guy has to come inn and prove themselves with extra work and favours? Nah, forget that. Someone helping wheel shit onto a job site is pitching in for the job and I'd hope anyone working that job site would be up for doing it. That's working as a team. All I see here is the disrespect of someone's boundaries and the idea that people are beholden to traditions they want no part of and never signed on for. These are grown men mad that another grown man won't carry their bags in because he's the newest grown man. Nah that's not respect, that's not team building. That's bullshit. A new person in a team situation - whether it be sports, a physical job like construction, wrestling - doing small tasks like carry someone’s bag or carry certain work items is most definitely a sign of respect.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 5, 2020 16:22:07 GMT -5
But this isn't a mitre saw this is someone else's bags. "Hey carry my bags in on top of yours". No f*** that. People have their jobs and this isn't facilitating the doing of their job. I'm going to be way more concerned with someone functions as a team during the important shit than about whether they'll do petty dues-paying stuff when asked. And to that end, this isn't a situation of him flipping his shit over being asked to do something. It's him being asked to do it over and over, being taken aside and told "Hey you should do this. You should really nut up and just carry other peoples' bags." No that's horseshit, and in that position I'd be pretty ready to not trust anyone doing that either. He said he wasn't comfortable with it and he wasn't doing it, everyone trying to push that boundary is being petty at best. These things are cyclical. Anyone who's mad at someone for not doing the same thing they did that they never had to do is, for me, at they're core just resentful that someone else is breaking that cycle. Leo said no, people didn't back of on it, that's messed up. I'm not talking about the extreme f***ed up abusive stuff here and I'd hope people would be against that. But this idea that the new guy has to come inn and prove themselves with extra work and favours? Nah, forget that. Someone helping wheel shit onto a job site is pitching in for the job and I'd hope anyone working that job site would be up for doing it. That's working as a team. All I see here is the disrespect of someone's boundaries and the idea that people are beholden to traditions they want no part of and never signed on for. These are grown men mad that another grown man won't carry their bags in because he's the newest grown man. Nah that's not respect, that's not team building. That's bullshit. A new person in a team situation - whether it be sports, a physical job like construction, wrestling - doing small tasks like carry someone’s bag or carry certain work items is most definitely a sign of respect. No, it's a sign that you want to fit in so you'll do the things that will make people you want to like you happy. It's the exploitation of an uneven social power dynamic and the idea that respect is shown through menial tasks for social currency is beyond messed up. Leo opted out and said he wasn't comfortable and still got pressured; even if that was respect, clearly they didn't respct Leo in turn.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 5, 2020 16:33:12 GMT -5
Grown adults should carry their own shit unless physically incapable. If Undertaker can jump over the ropes twice a year, he can carry a f***ing backpack.
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Post by bob on Jun 5, 2020 16:35:40 GMT -5
this is stupid -- everyone should have to carry their own bags and buy their own alcohol
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Post by The Trashman on Jun 5, 2020 16:36:24 GMT -5
It can happen everywhere and still be super shitty. That's not everyone pitching in, that's people grinding at everyone else's menial work to earn their 'respect' and that's a load of horseshit. That's just not the way you actually develop the bonds where people will have your back and belong 'on your crew'. Normalization doesn't make that okay. Edit: Conversely, I'm honestly ultra wary of people who see not wanting to do this junk as a red flag or make a judgment call of of it. Nobody is being asked to do an extra 4 hours of backbreaking labour, but if you're not willing to carry a drink cooler, or wheel the mitre saw on to the jobsite without bitching about it then it raises questions about how you'll fit into the team. Everyone you're working with has done it before you, whether they've been working 10 weeks or 10 years. It comes across as arrogance, and an unwillingness to work with the team if you're raising hell about it. You roll with it for a bit, and it's generally pretty f***ing quick that someone steps in and says "Hey man, that's not you job to worry about anymore" And just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm specifically referring to low level stuff. Like I said in my last post, there's a definite line between team building and abusive hazing. I'm not talking about shower room sexual assault, or "Hey, you're not a team player if you don't drink this 40 of Jack/snort this gram etc". If I bring a cooler to work, I'll carry it. If you bring a cooler to work, you carry it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 5, 2020 16:38:04 GMT -5
The WWE feels like a really shitty High School jock party and when you remember who runs it, that's exactly what it still is, it just pretends that it's not to the outside world.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 5, 2020 16:39:46 GMT -5
I’ll carry any veteran’s bag as long as they admit it’s because they’re too much of a little bitch to carry their own shit and say please.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Jun 5, 2020 16:43:07 GMT -5
The idea that at ANY job I HAVE to do something not a part of my job description, and I’ll be pressured and shit talked if I choose not to participate, is bullshit. Take that shit elsewhere. The JOB needs help? Someone mentioned pulling a generator or something up, that’s completely f***ing different. Let me start ANY job and some veteran tries to tell me to grab his bag or spend my money on them, and you can bet I’d be in Lio’s spot.
And maybe it’s not a racial thing, but the fact that a young black man, who has likely experienced a bunch of racism in his chosen profession, is being told he has to carry other people’s shit, I can definitely understand why to HIM it’s a race thing even if it’s not to the vet.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 5, 2020 16:46:52 GMT -5
Honestly, it kind of amazes me that anyone can see what's happening in the world right now and not understand why Lio wouldn't want to carry luggage for old white men. Would you want your black children seeing you carry luggage for white men like Driving Miss Daisy?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 5, 2020 16:52:01 GMT -5
Wonder if these bitches would’ve also tried this with a rookie Brock Lesnar.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 5, 2020 16:54:08 GMT -5
The harassment is digusting
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Post by Dub H on Jun 5, 2020 16:55:36 GMT -5
Wonder if these bitches would’ve also tried this with a rookie Brock Lesnar. A showed,they would grovel before Lesnar
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