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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Jun 5, 2020 19:49:30 GMT -5
"Revealing" how? All that it reveals to me is he's not one to be walked on and told he has to do things or he can't be one of the "boys."
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jun 5, 2020 20:10:55 GMT -5
While he's correct about being hazed, IMO (if a rookie volunteers to carry bags or buy drinks for the vets it's all good, but no one should be forced to do so), I don't see what does it has to do with Rush being African-American. "Carry my bags" absolutely has racial connotations. The WWE clearly knows that, because it's booked storylines about it. Remember when Ted Dibiase Jr. wanted R-Truth to carry his bags? It's bullshit anyway, but for them to unconvincingly pretend they don't know that's a thing is especially insulting.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 5, 2020 20:21:42 GMT -5
Wonder if these bitches would’ve also tried this with a rookie Brock Lesnar. IIRC Bradshaw offered to carry Brock's bags when Brock first debuted.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 5, 2020 20:57:59 GMT -5
It is an interesting argument to have.
I always go to my high school experience with our soccer team. As a Freshmen you are expected to set up and clean up practice and get things ready for games. You also got last pick for seats. But each senior would pick a freshmen or multiple ones and look out for them. Give them rides too and from practice and get them ready so there was a mutual respect
But there is a fine line on when it goes too far. See how NFL teams will shave players heads. See the Miami Dolphin OL coach from years ago buying sex dolls for his players to make them men. See freshmen being whipped and beaten with equipment.
Stuff like rookie talent shows and making rookies dress in Halloween outfits can be fun but there is a limit
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 5, 2020 22:38:15 GMT -5
"Revealing" how? All that it reveals to me is he's not one to be walked on and told he has to do things or he can't be one of the "boys." It depends on what the task is. There are degrees, in my opinion. If it’s something innocent like carrying bags, shaking hands with each and every person in the locker room, grabbing some drinks for the guys, then a refusal to do that will likely have a lot of people thinking that person may have an ego problem, or that the person thinks they’re better than them. It may not be true, but it will likely ruffle feathers. If it’s demeaning things like horror stories you hear about hazing, shaving guys heads, things frat members do for initiation, then yes I think standing up against that shows you are not one to be walked on.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Jun 5, 2020 22:40:34 GMT -5
Well I guess people would think I have an ego problem, cuz I’m at work to do my job, not make them feel respected by doing menial shit.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 6, 2020 0:19:42 GMT -5
Well I guess people would think I have an ego problem, cuz I’m at work to do my job, not make them feel respected by doing menial shit. If I can’t trust you to sweep the floor, I can’t trust you with things that may kill you, me and everyone.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jun 6, 2020 0:23:06 GMT -5
As a black man, I ain’t carrying no white man bags. f*** that.
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Post by metylerca on Jun 6, 2020 0:50:33 GMT -5
So this is where the “Lio Rush is a terror backstage” stories are coming from? Not wanting to carry veteran bags? Good for Lio.
I’m a teacher and upon entry into the profession, I had 3-4 colleagues immediately take me under my wing to ensure I didn’t do any of that shit for other teachers. Apparently it’s a thing to make copies and get coffee for the veteran teachers at some schools, something that detracts from my actual job of teaching children. I see this as the same with Lio Rush. It’s hard enough to be a wrestler, at his size, in main roster WWE. To have to participate in hazing voluntarily to be one of ‘the boys’ is a huge waste of time. That’s not how workplace advancement should be quantified, by how well one carries another person’s bags.
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Post by Honeybear Lyder on Jun 6, 2020 2:36:59 GMT -5
While he's correct about being hazed, IMO (if a rookie volunteers to carry bags or buy drinks for the vets it's all good, but no one should be forced to do so), I don't see what does it has to do with Rush being African-American. "Carry my bags" absolutely has racial connotations. The WWE clearly knows that, because it's booked storylines about it. Remember when Ted Dibiase Jr. wanted R-Truth to carry his bags? It's bullshit anyway, but for them to unconvincingly pretend they don't know that's a thing is especially insulting. So wait, if a white guy carries another white guy's bags it's ok, but if a black guy does it it's racist? Not being sarcastic or anything.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jun 6, 2020 2:44:04 GMT -5
"Carry my bags" absolutely has racial connotations. The WWE clearly knows that, because it's booked storylines about it. Remember when Ted Dibiase Jr. wanted R-Truth to carry his bags? It's bullshit anyway, but for them to unconvincingly pretend they don't know that's a thing is especially insulting. So wait, if a white guy carries another white guy's bags it's ok, but if a black guy does it it's racist? Not being sarcastic or anything. Are you familiar with how black people have been treated the past 400 years? Or the Triple H/Booker T feud? Making black people do bitch work to make yourself feel big and important REALLY isn't a good look.
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Post by Secret Clown on Jun 6, 2020 3:24:21 GMT -5
He shouldn't be forced to carry the bags if he doesn't want to as it's not in the job description but I do see some logic to being the new guy and doing lower tier tasks.
When I first started working in an office the junior/new members of staff would be the ones that made the tea/coffee. It's just what's done. As you progress through the ranks you no longer do those jobs but it gives you some grounding about where you started from.
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Post by 111111 on Jun 6, 2020 3:26:56 GMT -5
I keep seeing the word respect in this thread.
To me respect is a two way street and is something that is earned.
Just because someone’s been doing something a long time doesn’t mean they get my respect if they’re an asshole who’s too lazy to carry their own shit and buy their own drugs (Because let’s face it alcohol is a f***ing drug - easily the most deadly and harmful one too) and disrespects me by asking me to do it for them.
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Post by Honeybear Lyder on Jun 6, 2020 3:40:51 GMT -5
So wait, if a white guy carries another white guy's bags it's ok, but if a black guy does it it's racist? Not being sarcastic or anything. Are you familiar with how black people have been treated the past 400 years? Or the Triple H/Booker T feud? Making black people do bitch work to make yourself feel big and important REALLY isn't a good look. Overall, yes. Specific stuff like this, no.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 6, 2020 5:09:54 GMT -5
You are an adult , carry your own bags. If you need help, have the decency to ask.
You are also at work. Be professional. As long as a coworker do their job, you should respect them for it. And again, if you need help, ask.
And lastly, if you do not have the balls to do it to Brock, do not do it to anyone.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 6, 2020 6:12:55 GMT -5
Well I guess people would think I have an ego problem, cuz I’m at work to do my job, not make them feel respected by doing menial shit. If I can’t trust you to sweep the floor, I can’t trust you with things that may kill you, me and everyone. Aside from the question of "Is there maybe someone whose job it is to sweep the floor", again the comparison doesn't track when you're bringing up something practical and useful and they wanted Lio to serve them f***ing drinks. But, is there someone whose job it is to sweep the floor? You got a janitor?
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jun 6, 2020 7:43:29 GMT -5
As a person who never got into team sports growing up or fraternities, but being first hand witness to some the "activities" that are suppose to build relationships in those areas, I never bought into the idea of what some feel is necessary to progress in certain fields. I've quit jobs after seeing what the "new guys" get treated like. I just couldn't do it. Have seeing dudes look broken from what frats tried to have them do. I didn't like working out in the gym in high school with the other athletes because how they acted.
Now doing things like helping the ring crew put the ring together, or parcipating in things that give you a feel of the inner workings the business side along with production side is cool. That helps builds relationships without treating a grown man like a lackey. That's the same guy who you have to trust with your life in the ring, and may be the only person there to help you out in a situation outside of the ring, because shit can happen.
The only thing I did do was take martial arts. Our instructors didn't allow us to tear each other down. We were all in what were doing together. Everyone helps everyone.
Now far as the racial implications. The optics can, will, and does look crazy. Especially to impressionable minds who have no real context as to why. If you offer to help someone do anything, it should be by choice. So in that aspect, that argument is valid. If you take race and gender out it, just on a person to person level it's valid.
I know many of us have had experience in either internships or grunt work or energy level positions coming up. Shit shoveling is a ingrained in job culture, which historically has lead to tons of situations where we have to endurelight disrespect to outright predatory behavior can happen. All that shit has to go.
But if someone chooses to do what they asked Lip and countless others to do, that's on them to make that choice as an adult, but in no way shape or form should they obligated to.
I could never imagine carrying other man's bag on some chump shit in front if my wife, kids, or someone who looks up. Let alone in private.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 6, 2020 8:02:01 GMT -5
for the record if Lio said no that should have been the end of it. While I did state I get that some of it with going through sports if someone doesn't want to do something that should be the end of it. Unless Lio was out of line in how he said no.
I've said multiple times I have met Lio and think he is a nice kid. But he also tends to act emotionally if things don't go his way. So while I'm not saying this is what happened, I could see Lio maybe escalating a situation that wasn't a big deal to the wrestlers because he felt disrespected
But this is probably a case of the truth is in the middle
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 6, 2020 8:17:31 GMT -5
Well I guess people would think I have an ego problem, cuz I’m at work to do my job, not make them feel respected by doing menial shit. Yes if you were a wrestler, then they might think you had an ego problem. Same if a rookie in the MLB refused to wear the small pink backpack around, some teammates might think he had an attitude problem. Again, it may not be true but it is what would likely be believed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 8:47:58 GMT -5
God, there's no f***ing racial aspect here. None. It's a vet/rookie thing, not a white vet/minority rookie thing.
It's a "paying dues" deal that I don't feel strongly about either way, but we don't need to shoehorn phantom racism into it.
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