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Post by romanstylesiii on Jan 14, 2021 0:28:30 GMT -5
Was watching a TNA retrospective earlier and saw how they let go a bunch of knockouts and X-Div wrestlers to make way for guys like the Nasty Boys, Val Venis, Jeff Hardy, X-Pac and Hall etc.
The issue is, the X-Div and Knockouts were the highest rated part of the show, by a mile. The new TNA regime made a ton of business decisions without doing the smallest amount of research
While ratings initially went up, TNA's core audience was pretty badly alienated and their hardcore audience left over time.
Feel free to name more bad moments from whatever company, I am sure TNA has tons alone!
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 14, 2021 8:45:02 GMT -5
I'd have to say the fake sale of Raw a few years back. I thought it was awful then and think it holds up even worse now considering the two businessmen involved. It led to serious issues with the WWE stock because many people believed it was a real sale AND it probably cost WWE a whole lot of money in waste of hiring celebrities for Raw hosts, the majority of which seemed like they knew about as much as the product as Art Donovan. The only difference was, Art seemed to care, these guys seemed to be there just for the paycheck and with no plans of getting WWE over.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 14, 2021 9:57:02 GMT -5
Hogan and Bischoff did not want TNA to succeed with X Division and Knockouts being a focus. They wanted TNA to succeed by being what they thought wrestling should be. And if that failed then they still got paid so what do they care.
And the sale of Raw mainly affected the stock price because WWE sent out a press release about it making it seem legit. Thats why the had to backpedal so quickly, they were facing legal repercussions over it.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 14, 2021 10:10:15 GMT -5
I'd have to say the fake sale of Raw a few years back. I thought it was awful then and think it holds up even worse now considering the two businessmen involved. It led to serious issues with the WWE stock because many people believed it was a real sale AND it probably cost WWE a whole lot of money in waste of hiring celebrities for Raw hosts, the majority of which seemed like they knew about as much as the product as Art Donovan. The only difference was, Art seemed to care, these guys seemed to be there just for the paycheck and with no plans of getting WWE over. Dammit, Stevie Richards, you're gonna run this company into the ground!
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 14, 2021 10:17:13 GMT -5
Austin turning heel at Wrestlemania X-7
Ratings dropped like a Rock (heh) after that. As entertaining as it ended up being a few months later, business wise, the general public didn't want it and just left.
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Post by 67 more on Jan 14, 2021 10:20:55 GMT -5
I'd have to say the fake sale of Raw a few years back. I thought it was awful then and think it holds up even worse now considering the two businessmen involved. It led to serious issues with the WWE stock because many people believed it was a real sale AND it probably cost WWE a whole lot of money in waste of hiring celebrities for Raw hosts, the majority of which seemed like they knew about as much as the product as Art Donovan. The only difference was, Art seemed to care, these guys seemed to be there just for the paycheck and with no plans of getting WWE over. Oh yeah, say what you will about Art, he was at least trying to put people over and contribute, he just had zero reference points in order to be able to do it. The guest hosts were normally often there just to plug their shit and leave, especially when the extent of their involvement was just to stand in the ring or the GM office and make matches. If you cant even be bothered to remember the wrestler's names (Kofi Johnson) or the event name (Summerfest), get the f*** out of here. I remember one of the Three Stooges guys being told that he'll probably be booed as the fans tend to boo the celebrities and even he was like "I don't like or understand wrestling, but why are you putting stuff on your show that you know your audience hates?" But it's more of Vince going you don't like what you like.
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Post by chrom on Jan 14, 2021 10:25:23 GMT -5
Resigning Hogan in 98 and giving him and Nash full creative control
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 14, 2021 10:29:32 GMT -5
The November 19th, 2001 Raw.
The show that tossed away 8 months of storyline. Heel and face alignments were shifted in a completely half assed and nonsensical way. The fans were all told that everything they invested in for the better part of a year didn't matter.
The company has never recovered from it
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 14, 2021 10:48:54 GMT -5
Hotshotting the Invasion angle in 2001, a year before they could sign any major names.
Hell, WWF '01 is ripe with bad business moves.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 11:00:07 GMT -5
Hogan and Bischoff did not want TNA to succeed with X Division and Knockouts being a focus. They wanted TNA to succeed by being what they thought wrestling should be. And if that failed then they still got paid so what do they care. And the sale of Raw mainly affected the stock price because WWE sent out a press release about it making it seem legit. Thats why the had to backpedal so quickly, they were facing legal repercussions over it. Exactly right about TNA. Hogan and Bischoff wanted to recreate WCW instead of helping continue to grow something new. The Knockouts division has recovered booking wise despite Impact having a smaller audience now, but the X Division to this day is still hurt by that. It used to seem equal but different to the World Title, and it's still mostly treated as though it's meaningless like the NXT Cruiserweight title. They are working on it, but Impact is still fixing damage caused by Hogan and Bischoff 10 years ago.
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Post by bob on Jan 14, 2021 11:03:34 GMT -5
I still don't get how Vince thought Katie Vick would being in record numbers, instead it drove RAW to then record lows
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 14, 2021 11:06:30 GMT -5
WWE firing all those people because of COVID. Maybe it wasn't the root cause of the mass exodus of loyal viewers, but it's certainly why I left, and I feel like I was a pretty loyal viewer.
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 14, 2021 11:21:57 GMT -5
I still don't get how Vince thought Katie Vick would being in record numbers, instead it drove RAW to then record lows That is what stopped me from watching. I watch some pretty sick stuff as far as shows like Criminal Minds or Death Wish type movies but the Katie Vick angle was way too sick. I think it shows just how much of a degenerate Triple H really is. When you have total control of what angles you can do and THIS is Ok with you, you're a pretty sick person. That type of angle would normally be forced on a guy who has no other choice than to either go with it or move down the card and be punished.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jan 14, 2021 11:22:42 GMT -5
I think exploiting the first Iraq War in the Sgt. Slaughter storyline, which coincided with the steroid and molested children's news stories. They thought it would draw 100k in LA, but it lost me as a viewer. I've gone back so many times, but they always do something to push me away again.
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Post by chrom on Jan 14, 2021 12:07:51 GMT -5
WWE firing all those people because of COVID. Maybe it wasn't the root cause of the mass exodus of loyal viewers, but it's certainly why I left, and I feel like I was a pretty loyal viewer. And it turns out they didn't even need to do so as they posted record profits.
Its like how Disney fired and laid off so many so the top brass makes sure they get their yearly bonuses.
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Post by sungod2020 on Jan 14, 2021 12:21:55 GMT -5
Austin turning heel at Wrestlemania X-7 Ratings dropped like a Rock (heh) after that. As entertaining as it ended up being a few months later, business wise, the general public didn't want it and just left. I use to think that for the longest time, but in all seriousness, the heel turn didn't have much of an effect on ratings(if at all). Just by looking at RAWs numbers during that time frame, and in the during Invasion Angle, they were averaging around the 4s and 5s(and i think the occasional 3s). Yes, it was quite a drop from 1999 and 2000 when they were averaging in the 6s and 7s, but they were still solid, at least compared to today. Plus, with the move to TNN and the competition element against WCW being lost, they were headed down that direction anyway. It wasn't until an entire year later(and after the WWE name change) that ratings started to take a serious downturn, and they were averaging in the 3s for the remainder of the decade. After 2010, they were even lucky to get past a 3.0 and they're still struggling today. Plus, Austin's face run was starting to get stale. Turning him heel was a sound idea in theory to reinvent himself, it was just the timing and location(being in Texas) that threw things off. I still say the November 19th, 2001 RAW did more damage to the company(both short and long-term) than any of Austin's heel run or that Invasion mess could've done.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 14, 2021 12:57:42 GMT -5
Crockett moving their offices to Dallas & over spending on the UWF assists.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 13:09:28 GMT -5
I still don't get how Vince thought Katie Vick would being in record numbers, instead it drove RAW to then record lows That is what stopped me from watching. I watch some pretty sick stuff as far as shows like Criminal Minds or Death Wish type movies but the Katie Vick angle was way too sick. I think it shows just how much of a degenerate Triple H really is. When you have total control of what angles you can do and THIS is Ok with you, you're a pretty sick person. That type of angle would normally be forced on a guy who has no other choice than to either go with it or move down the card and be punished. The Katie Vick angle was all Vince. I thought that was well known. Every story that's come out over the years says that Triple H, Stephanie, Prichard and Hayes kept telling him it was a horrible idea but he wouldn't budge.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 13:44:26 GMT -5
John Nord turning down the Vladimir Pietrov spot Jack Petrik in 89 deciding not to enter into bidding wars with the WWF over talent(Savage/Piper/DiBiase/Bret the main ones) WWF and NWA letting the cable companies manipulate them in 89 Ric Flair booking himself to turn heel in early 90 USWA (Texas) running 2 man on woman violence angles in the same show and losing their KTVT slot to WWF in 90 The Hogan/Flair double turn in 99
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 14, 2021 13:55:55 GMT -5
Hotshotting the Invasion angle in 2001, a year before they could sign any major names. Hell, WWF '01 is ripe with bad business moves. When you go back and watch it, it's absurd how quickly things moved when they had years worth of storylines at their disposal: July 2nd: Buff/Booker match July 9th: First ever WCW/WWF match, ECW debuts, ECW/WCW form alliance, Stephanie is revealed as ECW owner (this all happened in 30 minutes) July 16th: Austin turns face July 22nd: Austin turns heel again
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