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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 25, 2021 0:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by Dub H on Jan 25, 2021 3:03:49 GMT -5
There is absolutely no way that match ends well tomorrow. Either it ends with Orton interfering or Alexa squashes Asuka again and becomes champion. Which will cause the problem of WWE putting a title on Lady Fiend, which will backfire horribly considering the majority of fans who wanted The Fiend to win the title turned on him pretty hard soon after for a multitude of reasons, the biggest being that anyone sucked into the orbit of feuding with The Fiend does severe damage to their careers. That's completely glossing over the fact that The Fiend has only had one good match since the gimmick debuted and it was against Daniel Bryan. For all intents and purposes, Alexa is basically way worse than The Fiend when it comes to actually wrestling. Alexa squashs Asuka. Charlotte wins the title from Alexa because somehow it means avenging Asuka. Asuka turns heel on Charlotte.Asuka loses to Charlorre again.
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Post by msc on Jan 25, 2021 11:47:50 GMT -5
If I can speak from my incredibly biased and tunnel vision POV - they haven't built up a Rumble opponent for Asuka, Alexa can get involved in any Orton/Bray match at the PPV, so it sort of makes sense to swap the title to get Asuka on the PPV in the form of the Rumble itself.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 25, 2021 17:07:17 GMT -5
Tweets you can hear in the voice of the poster
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Jan 25, 2021 18:15:38 GMT -5
Tweets you can hear in the voice of the poster I'm probably not putting this right, but f*** it. Yeah we shouldn't have lore aka stories in wrestling. Bryan is so f***ing annoying.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 25, 2021 23:03:34 GMT -5
So just to be clear
Alexa Bliss was going to win the Asuka world title match match, and had Asuka beat before Randy Orton interfered
This is why this thread is five pages long and will probably have more pages. She is booked like shit when she is champion, that's all there is to it.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 25, 2021 23:04:16 GMT -5
So just to be clear Alexa Bliss was going to win the Asuka world title match match, and had Asuka beat before Randy Orton interfered This is why this thread is five pages long and will probably have more pages. She is booked like shit when she is champion, that's all there is to it. Should Asuka be no-selling the monster? Yes or no?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 25, 2021 23:06:13 GMT -5
So just to be clear Alexa Bliss was going to win the Asuka world title match match, and had Asuka beat before Randy Orton interfered This is why this thread is five pages long and will probably have more pages. She is booked like shit when she is champion, that's all there is to it. Should Asuka be no-selling the monster? Yes or no? Should they be booking Asuka into an impossible situation where everything she does is no sold by this supposed Demon? The answer is no, no they shouldn't, this isn't hard. They've made Asuka look like shit two weeks in a row and I'm not the only one who hates it apparently.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 25, 2021 23:07:14 GMT -5
So just to be clear Alexa Bliss was going to win the Asuka world title match match, and had Asuka beat before Randy Orton interfered This is why this thread is five pages long and will probably have more pages. She is booked like shit when she is champion, that's all there is to it. Should Asuka be no-selling the monster? Yes or no? It's a "rock and a hard place", basically.
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Post by Chiral on Jan 25, 2021 23:10:27 GMT -5
So just to be clear Alexa Bliss was going to win the Asuka world title match match, and had Asuka beat before Randy Orton interfered This is why this thread is five pages long and will probably have more pages. She is booked like shit when she is champion, that's all there is to it. Should Asuka be no-selling the monster? Yes or no? There's GOTTA be an inbetween between two wrestlers where neither has to no sell a match or situation.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 25, 2021 23:14:27 GMT -5
Should Asuka be no-selling the monster? Yes or no? It's a "rock and a hard place", basically. That’s precisely it. Either Asuka sells Fiendette like the other-worldly threat that she is right now (and don’t give me that “But she’s tiny!” stuff, she’s possessed by a f***ing clown demon, all bets about logic are off) or she doesn’t, and it kills the effect of the character change. I know that it sucks, I really do. I’m just trying to find reason in this that isn’t just “Oh, they’re doing this because Vince hates Asians” like it’s so easy to do.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 25, 2021 23:17:40 GMT -5
It's a "rock and a hard place", basically. That’s precisely it. Either Asuka sells Fiendette like the other-worldly threat that she is right now (and don’t give me that “But she’s tiny!” stuff, she’s possessed by a f***ing clown demon, all bets about logic are off) or she doesn’t, and it kills the effect of the character change. I know that it sucks, I really do. I’m just trying to find reason in this that isn’t just “Oh, they’re doing this because Vince hates Asians” like it’s so easy to do. They shouldn't have put Asuka in the situation period. Have Alexa end Nikki because it actually make storyline sense, then have her run roughshot at the Rumble and legitimatly build an Asuka confrontation. Alexa could take Asuka out in a segment instead of pinning her once and almost taking the belt from her the next week if not for Randy, there are logical, better ways to book this, build Demon Alexa, and make Asuka look credible and like a fighting champion. Because this? This just makes Asuka look pathetic, demon or not, she has no answer for this and the message is "She will lose the title to this character" with no wiggle room.
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Post by ronin705 on Jan 25, 2021 23:18:00 GMT -5
It's a "rock and a hard place", basically. That’s precisely it. Either Asuka sells Fiendette like the other-worldly threat that she is right now (and don’t give me that “But she’s tiny!” stuff, she’s possessed by a f***ing clown demon, all bets about logic are off) or she doesn’t, and it kills the effect of the character change. I know that it sucks, I really do. I’m just trying to find reason in this that isn’t just “Oh, they’re doing this because Vince hates Asians” like it’s so easy to do. I feel they could've found a balance where alexa gets staggered by the signature offense, but just cannot be put down for the 3. Helps Asuka display her Killer Kana side while building up She-Fiend as someone not to be taken lightly. Plus Asuka becoming more Kana-esque fits with characters being altered once interavting with the Fiend
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Jan 25, 2021 23:28:06 GMT -5
It's a "rock and a hard place", basically. That’s precisely it. Either Asuka sells Fiendette like the other-worldly threat that she is right now (and don’t give me that “But she’s tiny!” stuff, she’s possessed by a f***ing clown demon, all bets about logic are off) or she doesn’t, and it kills the effect of the character change. I know that it sucks, I really do. I’m just trying to find reason in this that isn’t just “Oh, they’re doing this because Vince hates Asians” like it’s so easy to do. Well, and this is on WWE completely for this, but the solution is this: DON'T PUT YOUR NEW MONSTER CHARACTER IN A MATCH FOR THE TITLE WHEN YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO ESTABLISH THEM. Like, it shouldn't be f***ing rocket science. There were other options for Alexa to face. Or, their would be, if people could exist outside their pre-determined programs and actually wrestle different people every once in a while. Like, that is the biggest problem with WWE as a whole, but especially with the women, and especially on Raw, where there's more time to fill and it's much more obviously egregious. Bliss could have faced Dana or Mandy or Naomi (who hasn't even been on Raw since the draft and may very well be injured, sick, pregnant or what-have-you) or do what they did early in the pandemic and have PC jobbers come in to work squashes. Granted, then Asuka doesn't have a program, unless you shoehorn her into the Women's Tag program... oh wait. There isn't one, because the other half of the Champs is feuding with Lacey Evans over Ric Flair... for some reason. Because of course your highest profile women's program should be over a 71 year old man. While your other feuds are... Nia and Shayna both want to win the Rumble, which neither of them will probably win, mind you. And... yeah, that's it. How is it Raw does such a shitty job with it's division that there is ONE actual feud, not for a title, and we actually have to be complaining about the fact that Champion (who holds TWO TITLES, mind you) is being booked to look weak against the new monster heel, simply because there is NOTHING else for her do?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 25, 2021 23:32:40 GMT -5
That’s precisely it. Either Asuka sells Fiendette like the other-worldly threat that she is right now (and don’t give me that “But she’s tiny!” stuff, she’s possessed by a f***ing clown demon, all bets about logic are off) or she doesn’t, and it kills the effect of the character change. I know that it sucks, I really do. I’m just trying to find reason in this that isn’t just “Oh, they’re doing this because Vince hates Asians” like it’s so easy to do. Well, and this is on WWE completely for this, but the solution is this: DON'T PUT YOUR NEW MONSTER CHARACTER IN A MATCH FOR THE TITLE WHEN YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO ESTABLISH THEM. Like, it shouldn't be f***ing rocket science. There were other options for Alexa to face. Or, their would be, if people could exist outside their pre-determined programs and actually wrestle different people every once in a while. Like, that is the biggest problem with WWE as a whole, but especially with the women, and especially on Raw, where there's more time to fill and it's much more obviously egregious. Bliss could have faced Dana or Mandy or Naomi (who hasn't even been on Raw since the draft and may very well be injured, sick, pregnant or what-have-you) or do what they did early in the pandemic and have PC jobbers come in to work squashes. Granted, then Asuka doesn't have a program, unless you shoehorn her into the Women's Tag program... oh wait. There isn't one, because the other half of the Champs is feuding with Lacey Evans over Ric Flair... for some reason. Because of course your highest profile women's program should be over a 71 year old man. While your other feuds are... Nia and Shayna both want to win the Rumble, which neither of them will probably win, mind you. And... yeah, that's it. How is it Raw does such a shitty job with it's division that there is ONE actual feud, not for a title, and we actually have to be complaining about the fact that Champion (who holds TWO TITLES, mind you) is being booked to look weak against the new monster heel, simply because there is NOTHING else for her do? I think it’s like I said earlier in the thread, they probably think that by using Asuka for it, with the angle of “If this thing is rattling even the normally unrattleable Asuka, then this is legit”, they think it’s more effective in getting the character over as a threat than if it was just against like Dana Brooke or whatever because in their minds they haven’t booked Asuka into the ground (mileage may vary) like they have everyone else other than Charlotte Flair and Bliss herself. Same “logic” as putting Wyatt against Seth Rollins for the gold in the second match of the Fiend gimmick. Hell, Bliss’s only two matches with this gimmick change have been against the champion! They learned NOTHING.
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Post by mistery on Jan 25, 2021 23:35:34 GMT -5
I will add in that if WWE was pulling this trash in front of an actual live audience, they would have booed it out of the arena. The Thunderdome has brought out all of Vince's worst instincts, with him letting Alexa and The Fiend run roughshod over their respective divisions.
Audiences KNOW Asuka is getting the short end of the stick, and several of the more high profile women in the company (Becky, Bayley, and Sasha) have all come out strongly in support of her being the face of whatever division she's a part of. But Vince is adamant and refuses to listen, and audiences revolt because he has to be dragged kicking and screaming across the finish line.
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Jan 25, 2021 23:36:34 GMT -5
Well, and this is on WWE completely for this, but the solution is this: DON'T PUT YOUR NEW MONSTER CHARACTER IN A MATCH FOR THE TITLE WHEN YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO ESTABLISH THEM. Like, it shouldn't be f***ing rocket science. There were other options for Alexa to face. Or, their would be, if people could exist outside their pre-determined programs and actually wrestle different people every once in a while. Like, that is the biggest problem with WWE as a whole, but especially with the women, and especially on Raw, where there's more time to fill and it's much more obviously egregious. Bliss could have faced Dana or Mandy or Naomi (who hasn't even been on Raw since the draft and may very well be injured, sick, pregnant or what-have-you) or do what they did early in the pandemic and have PC jobbers come in to work squashes. Granted, then Asuka doesn't have a program, unless you shoehorn her into the Women's Tag program... oh wait. There isn't one, because the other half of the Champs is feuding with Lacey Evans over Ric Flair... for some reason. Because of course your highest profile women's program should be over a 71 year old man. While your other feuds are... Nia and Shayna both want to win the Rumble, which neither of them will probably win, mind you. And... yeah, that's it. How is it Raw does such a shitty job with it's division that there is ONE actual feud, not for a title, and we actually have to be complaining about the fact that Champion (who holds TWO TITLES, mind you) is being booked to look weak against the new monster heel, simply because there is NOTHING else for her do? I think it’s like I said earlier in the thread, they probably think that by using Asuka for it, they think it’s more effective in getting the character over as a threat than if it was just against like Dana Brooke or whatever because in their minds they haven’t booked Asuka into the ground (mileage may vary) like they have everyone else other than Charlotte Flair and Bliss herself. Same “logic” as putting Wyatt against Seth Rollins in the second match of the gimmick. Hell, Bliss’s only two matches with this gimmick change have been against the champion! There are so many problems with that logic. And again, that is totally on WWE, and pretty much entirely on Vince. And it just gets me so riled up to see such illogical booking lol
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 25, 2021 23:47:21 GMT -5
Turns out all she had to do was hit her with an RKO. Worked for Randy.
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Post by BatPunk on Jan 25, 2021 23:50:04 GMT -5
This story, while not perfect, is the most creative WWE has been in SOOO long that I’m happy if Asuka is just there to play her part in the grand scheme of things.
Because in all seriousness, did we ever think that the Fiend/Orton feud would ever get to this point?
I’m sitting back with my popcorn on this one. I could go anywhere.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 25, 2021 23:52:06 GMT -5
This story, while not perfect, is the most creative WWE has been in SOOO long that I’m happy if Asuka is just there to play her part in the grand scheme of things. Because in all seriousness, did we ever think that the Fiend/Orton feud would ever get to this point? I’m sitting back with my popcorn on this one. I could go anywhere. It’s definitely creative, and interesting otherwise, but... You know, fans just don’t like their favourites being used as a means to an end.
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