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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 21:47:05 GMT -5
I think MJF is very, very good on his best day but he's noticeably regressed. His material's way weaker than it was to start with, his delivery's weaker, he feels less important right now than he ever has, and in general he kind of just comes off like he's going through the motions. He gets too much mic time and is allowed to talk too long so his material is diluted. One great promo every few weeks is better than multiple weak ones. Made worse by a lack of clear goals. Eg Despite all the mic time he gets there hasn't been a segment with all of his stable to help tie things together. One segment could establish Pinnacle want to rid AEW of certain threats, he failed to retire Jericho so as a group turn their attentions to Sting but instead they don't feel connected to each other. This. Him and Lambert were both better in MLW. They are great on the stick but are given to much mic time week in and week out. It just kinda it just kind of dilutes any point their trying to get across. Also Mid is just dumb.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 19, 2021 9:08:37 GMT -5
Really not into Moxley vs random old Japanese wrestler guys I can get into it as a placeholder while they work out something for him "He's so dangerous, legends from around the world seek him out" but he needs an actual direction soon, and they needed some better hype and video packages for it. I don't have a problem with Taz going from Goofy Commentator to serious heel manager I look at it like a Tony Soprano situation where at times he can be funny, charming, etc but when it's time to take care of business he's no nonsense Even in real life, there's some hardcore Gangsters/Killers who are hilarious when they're not merking people. I wasn't really familiar with Kenny Omega until AEW so I can see how he comes across as being kind of phony/over the top. That 1st year as a face I thought he was kind of bland, but after him and Page broke up his obviously disingenuous delivery and weasely looking face makes him a good heel I'm this, like Tazz is having fun till something pisses him off and turns on FTW mode
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Post by Convoy on Sept 19, 2021 9:56:47 GMT -5
Really not into Moxley vs random old Japanese wrestler guys I agree with this, and I’m a stronger follower of the Japanese scene than I am of AEW. My issue is that the lead-ups are underdeveloped and the matches are disappointing. My friend started watching wrestling during the pandemic, and while she’s really into it now, there’s decades of content and regions that she is way unfamiliar with. She doesn’t get why this guys are legends, and the matches don’t deliver much to portray them as such. I’ve done what I can to inform and suggest more background, but there are likely thousands and thousands of viewers who have no clue about Kojima/Suzuki and are meh about the whole situation. Also, since I’m already talking about Mox, I’ll also say that he’s really more about presence than ring execution. He had a rough go at times in his G1 outing, and watching him in AEW, his offense is still lacking.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 19, 2021 12:41:59 GMT -5
Really not into Moxley vs random old Japanese wrestler guys I agree with this, and I’m a stronger follower of the Japanese scene than I am of AEW. My issue is that the lead-ups are underdeveloped and the matches are disappointing. My friend started watching wrestling during the pandemic, and while she’s really into it now, there’s decades of content and regions that she is way unfamiliar with. She doesn’t get why this guys are legends, and the matches don’t deliver much to portray them as such. I’ve done what I can to inform and suggest more background, but there are likely thousands and thousands of viewers who have no clue about Kojima/Suzuki and are meh about the whole situation. Also, since I’m already talking about Mox, I’ll also say that he’s really more about presence than ring execution. He had a rough go at times in his G1 outing, and watching him in AEW, his offense is still lacking. It is really weird seeing someone whose work you know well in front of a crowd that isn't familiar. I could tell watching Jordynne Grace at EVE that many people in the room did not know that a bear hug is one of her finishers. Then later it was weird seeing people who were superstars on EVE get no reaction at all on NXT UK.
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Post by Corre.222 on Sept 19, 2021 21:02:17 GMT -5
I would have preferred at least ONE MATCH in last Wednesday's Newark dynamite when the winner was not predictable. Past dynamites were great, and the promo segments in the dynamite were divine. But the predictability messed that one episode up for me. I understood that the main episode is next week. But sadly, this was "shit" which was why there was a thread of an unhappy attendee. It was easy to predict that Adam Cole, FTR, Jade Cargill, Darby Allin and Mox/Kingston was winning. When it's not in the context of a jobber match or a special novelty like Punk, I just can't get into the match.
Even ONE random thrown in match like Lee Moriarty vs Daniel Garcia (tearing the house down) would have made the in-ring action parts amazing to watch. If Ben Carter was there (or similar guy), something like Ben Carter vs Angelico or something out of left field would have got my attention with the matches.
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Post by RKTaker on Sept 20, 2021 11:24:15 GMT -5
I would have preferred at least ONE MATCH in last Wednesday's Newark dynamite when the winner was not predictable. Past dynamites were great, and the promo segments in the dynamite were divine. But the predictability messed that one episode up for me. I understood that the main episode is next week. But sadly, this was "shit" which was why there was a thread of an unhappy attendee. It was easy to predict that Adam Cole, FTR, Jade Cargill, Darby Allin and Mox/Kingston was winning. When it's not in the context of a jobber match or a special novelty like Punk, I just can't get into the match. Even ONE random thrown in match like Lee Moriarty vs Daniel Garcia (tearing the house down) would have made the in-ring action parts amazing to watch. If Ben Carter was there (or similar guy), something like Ben Carter vs Angelico or something out of left field would have got my attention with the matches. i will say one of the complaints i've always had with AEW is that all the matches on every show was predictable it wasn't exclusive to last week's show, like i could look at the card for Grand Slam predict everyone who will win and most likely be right
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 21, 2021 4:44:37 GMT -5
i will say one of the complaints i've always had with AEW is that all the matches on every show was predictable it wasn't exclusive to last week's show, like i could look at the card for Grand Slam predict everyone who will win and most likely be right I'm starting to rethink my opinions about 50 50 booking & WWE-like rematches in general. Like maybe 70-30 is not so bad. One way around this might be to have two current lower card wrestlers go at it, like the older Nitros did, or do a triple/4 way match. It strikes a balance with the need of Adam Cole getting a victory to establish himself in AEW, while having Interesting matches with uncertain outcomes. Because the match conclusions in that last dynamite episode were set in stone, which took me out of it and made me not want to invest limited free time in it, even if they busted their butt with exquisite in ring action. AEW has done some of these matches in the past. I'd love to see them more again for unpredictability purposes But even if AEW has predictable results... no... I will never re-think WWE's booking. Their 50-50 bullshit has killed so many wrestlers momentum over the years. I'll take predictable as long as it makes sense and it entertains me the entire way. And I'll be honest I had no clue who was gonna win the Sonny Kiss/Janela match from Elevation this week. The Dark Order feud also has me pretty stumped on who is winning any of the matches or where it's going. And there are a few matches this upcoming week where I don't actually know a concrete result. So I think they do a decent balance with it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 21, 2021 10:14:25 GMT -5
I think Cody should drop his VP status in storyline and challenge for the title as a face.
And then he wins, and runs for a few months as a face.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 21, 2021 11:02:49 GMT -5
I think Cody should drop his VP status in storyline and challenge for the title as a face. And then he wins, and runs for a few months as a face. The problem is, when he lost to Jericho, the stipulation was he couldn't challenge for the title. I'm sure they could do a work around, though.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 21, 2021 11:10:36 GMT -5
I think Cody should drop his VP status in storyline and challenge for the title as a face. And then he wins, and runs for a few months as a face. The problem is, when he lost to Jericho, the stipulation was he couldn't challenge for the title. I'm sure they could do a work around, though. He's one heel turn away from going "lol I changed my mind," but I think Cody prefers working face now. That and it's probably a shoot self-imposed limitation so he isn't tempted to go all Triple H or Jeff Jarrett with the championship.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Sept 21, 2021 11:22:23 GMT -5
The problem is, when he lost to Jericho, the stipulation was he couldn't challenge for the title. I'm sure they could do a work around, though. He's one heel turn away from going "lol I changed my mind," but I think Cody prefers working face now. That and it's probably a shoot self-imposed limitation so he isn't tempted to go all Triple H or Jeff Jarrett with the championship. The finish of that match did give him an out if a situation made sense for him to be champion, though. He didn't lose by being bested, he lost because MJF threw the towel in.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 21, 2021 14:09:08 GMT -5
He's one heel turn away from going "lol I changed my mind," but I think Cody prefers working face now. That and it's probably a shoot self-imposed limitation so he isn't tempted to go all Triple H or Jeff Jarrett with the championship. The finish of that match did give him an out if a situation made sense for him to be champion, though. He didn't lose by being bested, he lost because MJF threw the towel in. That's true. MJF threw the towel in because he actually wanted to screw over Cody.
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Post by RKTaker on Sept 21, 2021 14:42:20 GMT -5
I think Cody should drop his VP status in storyline and challenge for the title as a face. And then he wins, and runs for a few months as a face. The problem is, when he lost to Jericho, the stipulation was he couldn't challenge for the title. I'm sure they could do a work around, though. the thing is that Cody said he didn’t want to be a evp and go for the title so if he drops being evp in kayfabe at least and then he could go for the title
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Post by Andee9001 on Sept 21, 2021 17:25:43 GMT -5
Hype videos for lesser known stars would work wonders. If they had spent a few weeks with vignettes about Butcher and The Blade and Jamie Hayter then their debuts may gone over better.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Sept 21, 2021 18:35:10 GMT -5
I don't know how unpopular this is, but for a guy who's been there since day 1, it's kinda shocking just how LITTLE of a character Jungle Boy actually has
He's partnered with a giant dinosaur and a little kid. He's got a great licensed song but I'd be hard pressed to describe his personality.
Perry hating to do promos is probably the main reason for this and why he isn't further along yet in his career, I was pleasantly shocked last week when he actually did a short promo.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 21, 2021 19:30:48 GMT -5
I don't know how unpopular this is, but for a guy who's been there since day 1, it's kinda shocking just how LITTLE of a character Jungle Boy actually has He's partnered with a giant dinosaur and a little kid. He's got a great licensed song but I'd be hard pressed to describe his personality. Perry hating to do promos is probably the main reason for this and why he isn't further along yet in his career, I was pleasantly shocked last week when he actually did a short promo. Yeah. Anytime he’s spoken it’s left a lot to be desired so that’s all Tony working around it to accentuate him.
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Post by Glitch on Sept 28, 2021 22:19:07 GMT -5
Bowens is being held back by being tagged with Caster. Despite Caster being able to rap, Bowens is better on the mic. He needs to either have a solo run or be tagged with someone better. it's a shame Caster is the one that is so focused on.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 28, 2021 22:22:37 GMT -5
I don't know how unpopular this is, but for a guy who's been there since day 1, it's kinda shocking just how LITTLE of a character Jungle Boy actually has He's partnered with a giant dinosaur and a little kid. He's got a great licensed song but I'd be hard pressed to describe his personality. Perry hating to do promos is probably the main reason for this and why he isn't further along yet in his career, I was pleasantly shocked last week when he actually did a short promo. I'm a big Jungle Boy fan but I agree with this. He has a lot of tools and has gotten this far for a reason but needs a little something extra to take that next step. It's why it's a no brainer that he loses to Cole this week. He's over enough to take those losses but still has a ways ago to get to that next level. Darby had a shorter path to that push because he was fully ready for it. He should be in a year or so but it's not time yet.
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Post by clodhopper on Sept 29, 2021 8:18:08 GMT -5
Being The Elite looks like its a lot more fun to make than it is to watch.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 29, 2021 14:19:52 GMT -5
Being The Elite looks like its a lot more fun to make than it is to watch. Being the Elite would be more fun without the Good Brothers on there. In fact, more 2.0, less Good Brothers. And somebody rein in Silvers. He was funny for a while, but he's also kinda jumped the shark on there.
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