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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Oct 12, 2021 11:24:33 GMT -5
A couple of entrance theme opinionzzz:
Unscripted Violence >>> Wild Thing
This Fire Burns >>> Cult of Personality
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 12, 2021 14:07:16 GMT -5
A couple of entrance theme opinionzzz: Unscripted Violence >>> Wild Thing This Fire Burns >>> Cult of Personality I don't agree with either of those but I will throw out that I am extremely glad they didn't get Final Countdown.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 12, 2021 14:57:48 GMT -5
I think the last couple weeks AEW has gotten back into timing issues mid shows. It feels as though big moments like Sammy winning the TNT title, Suzuki vs Mox, Britt beating Ruby,and Hangman returning didn't have proper time for the viewers at home to soak in what happened.. and I do think the issue comes to either unnecessary segments or matches going long.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 12, 2021 15:04:46 GMT -5
I think the last couple weeks AEW has gotten back into timing issues mid shows. It feels as though big moments like Sammy winning the TNT title, Suzuki vs Mox, Britt beating Ruby,and Hangman returning didn't have proper time for the viewers at home to soak in what happened.. and I do think the issue comes to either unnecessary segments or matches going long. AEW does have pretty constant timing issues and has pretty much never allowed moments to just breathe. They really could probably stand to start cutting down their opening matches by five minutes or so and maybe try to budget time on the shows to make sure they're always planned to wrap the main event a few minutes before they actually do so that they have more wiggle room. In general they seem to have fallen into this pattern where they know the main events always get shafted for time so a lot of the time they don't put their big stuff there but it just raises the question of why they don't fix the issue then instead of working like they're stuck with it.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 12, 2021 15:47:36 GMT -5
A couple of entrance theme opinionzzz: Unscripted Violence >>> Wild Thing This Fire Burns >>> Cult of Personality I don't agree with either of those but I will throw out that I am extremely glad they didn't get Final Countdown. The entire thing was more or less a joke with Bryan Danielson that stuck in ROH. Even if I was Tony Khan with his "f*** you" money, I wouldn't pay what Europe wanted for the use per show. Especially since Bryan himself didn't want that song anyway.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 12, 2021 21:30:47 GMT -5
They need to crap or get off the pot with the rankings system, either adhere to it more strongly or get rid of it.
Dynamite, Dark, Elevation, and Rampage is one too many shows.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 12, 2021 21:34:12 GMT -5
They need to crap or get off the pot with the rankings system, either adhere to it more strongly or get rid of it. Dynamite, Dark, Elevation, and Rampage is one too many shows. I really do wonder what the hell is supposed to be the logic of the ranking system. Months later I'm still hung up on Hangman losing one match by being attacked beforehand knocking him out of the top spot while PAC got a title shot off the strength of like four squash matches in the span of six months.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 12, 2021 21:39:23 GMT -5
MJF actually is what folks try to say the Miz is, blatant limitations and all with a passionate fan base sticking up for even his most mediocre work. I so badly want a Danielson/MJF feud, and I want it to involve MJF heckling Danielson for never actually getting over on Miz and Danielson responds by bringing up how at least Miz has backed up his shit talk over the years by winning titles while MJF hasn’t, basically a “I knew Jack Kennedy, and you, sir, are no Jack Kennedy.” moment.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 12, 2021 21:39:50 GMT -5
They need to crap or get off the pot with the rankings system, either adhere to it more strongly or get rid of it. Dynamite, Dark, Elevation, and Rampage is one too many shows.TNT said months ago they’re in development of two other AEW-related shows, besides everything currently &“Rhodes to the Top”, soooo..might be more lol.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 12, 2021 21:40:31 GMT -5
They need to crap or get off the pot with the rankings system, either adhere to it more strongly or get rid of it. Dynamite, Dark, Elevation, and Rampage is one too many shows. I really do wonder what the hell is supposed to be the logic of the ranking system. Months later I'm still hung up on Hangman losing one match by being attacked beforehand knocking him out of the top spot while PAC got a title shot off the strength of like four squash matches in the span of six months. And Orange Cassidy has been atop the rankings for a while and the best he can get is a slot in a six way ladder match with half of the others not even ranked?
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Post by Blade on Oct 12, 2021 23:00:38 GMT -5
And Orange Cassidy has been atop the rankings for a while and the best he can get is a slot in a six way ladder match with half of the others not even ranked? While I agree in general the ranking system need a rethink, Orange could be atop the rankings for six months, never getting a title shot, and not really noticing or caring would fit him perfectly.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 12, 2021 23:03:36 GMT -5
The only thing that bugs me about the ranking system is I am kind of confused about where TNT title shots fit into it, though I guess they ultimately don't.
I'm also sort of confused about why MJF has never made the slightest attempt at the world title since Omega won it. I get they're both heels, but it wouldn't be out of respect. I guess MJF likely doesn't want to be put into a position to lose, since the Super Elite still probably would overwhelm the Pinnacle.
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Post by King Devitt on Oct 13, 2021 0:32:29 GMT -5
What was that gimmick he was trying to do in the early 2010s in TNA and such? The Cold as Ice thing? I think that's WAY worse than this. I do think the HFO is not long for this world though. It feels like Lio Rush is quite literally gonna usurp it from him. I'd genuinely rather watch that than what he's doing now. At least it was kind of fascinating how bad that was, his current act is just dull. I think the reason the group doesn't bother me that much is because what Matt is doing with the HFO is what Cody thinks he's been doing with the Nightmare Family. Like it's not the most sensical group in the world, but Hardy is working his ass off with the group regardless. Plus, that theme song!
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 13, 2021 1:46:46 GMT -5
HFO have been alright, like Private Party have been a lot of fun as heels. I also think it makes sense given Butcher and Blade *like* being mercenary characters, so it makes more sense for them to be part of the group than when they were with Kingston's Family.
The group serves a purpose, but I kind of figure if Lio Rush usurps him, that'll be fun, but that my biggest issue with HFO is just that there's a lot of heel groups right now. HFO, Pinnacle, Super Elite, the Factory, and yeah, even if the Factory have been practically non-entities, it does sort of get me tired of Matt's shtick sometimes since I think they have had him be a little too omnipresent. They're feuding with Dark Order, OC and the Best Friends, and I guess maybe also the Nightmare Factory to a lesser extent. Like it just kind of makes Matt look like an idiot when he bites off this much at once.
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Post by clifford on Oct 13, 2021 3:09:46 GMT -5
The only thing that bugs me about the ranking system is I am kind of confused about where TNT title shots fit into it, though I guess they ultimately don't. I'm also sort of confused about why MJF has never made the slightest attempt at the world title since Omega won it. I get they're both heels, but it wouldn't be out of respect. I guess MJF likely doesn't want to be put into a position to lose, since the Super Elite still probably would overwhelm the Pinnacle. The rankings definitely tie their hands with certain stuff, MJF is a great case in point. I was shocked to find out a few months ago he's only had like, 4 singles matches in 2021- and that's cause they don't want him perennially up at the top of the rankings and not challenging- I mean it kind of works when someone like Cassidy is always near the top but doesn't really stake his claim. My main issue with the rankings is that you can get to the top of them extremely fast by just beating jobbers on Youtube. It's a pure 'how many wins and losses you got' ranking system rather than a 'who have you beaten lately' ranking system. But then again, I feel the rankings have always been just something to set AEW apart from other companies; they are important when they need to be. If AEW don't take em so seriously, why should I? And that's fine.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 13, 2021 3:21:02 GMT -5
The only thing that bugs me about the ranking system is I am kind of confused about where TNT title shots fit into it, though I guess they ultimately don't. I'm also sort of confused about why MJF has never made the slightest attempt at the world title since Omega won it. I get they're both heels, but it wouldn't be out of respect. I guess MJF likely doesn't want to be put into a position to lose, since the Super Elite still probably would overwhelm the Pinnacle. The rankings definitely tie their hands with certain stuff, MJF is a great case in point. I was shocked to find out a few months ago he's only had like, 4 singles matches in 2021- and that's cause they don't want him perennially up at the top of the rankings and not challenging- I mean it kind of works when someone like Cassidy is always near the top but doesn't really stake his claim. My main issue with the rankings is that you can get to the top of them extremely fast by just beating jobbers on Youtube. It's a pure 'how many wins and losses you got' ranking system rather than a 'who have you beaten lately' ranking system. But then again, I feel the rankings have always been just something to set AEW apart from other companies; they are important when they need to be. If AEW don't take em so seriously, why should I? And that's fine. They have said before that quality of wins do matter, too, but it, in practice, hasn't usually come up much since people they want to push usually get some internet matches, anyway, to boost their W/L record.
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Post by jimmycon on Oct 13, 2021 6:29:19 GMT -5
I really like the win loss records most of the time (though some do get a bit silly with dark wins) but I don't really pay any attention to the rankings anymore.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 13, 2021 7:54:32 GMT -5
Yeah I think the rankings sound great on paper, probably seemed like a good idea in meetings, actually felt good at the start. But now that some time has elapsed and the company has figured out what their style is, it might be time to retire the concept.
Just because something used to work doesn't mean it still does.
That said, I think the stat/rankings for a new company was a great idea. It's just not a long term thing. It's a tool to help establish the "card order" or however you want to say it.
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Post by Instant Classic on Oct 13, 2021 8:08:46 GMT -5
I’m not a fan of the ranking system.
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Post by Ludwig Kaiser’s Walk on Oct 13, 2021 9:47:07 GMT -5
Not every show is a 10, which seems to be very unpopular around here
It’s a great and refreshing product, but they are capable of missteps too
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