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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jan 30, 2022 17:51:22 GMT -5
I don't hate the Bellas. The YES YES YES spot was really cool , people ain't gonna forget the American Dragon but... Why so dominant in the rumble ? Wtf? The Bellas are in the Hall of Fame and have always been MASSIVELY over with live crowds, despite this board’s bizarre obsession with ignoring that fact.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 30, 2022 17:55:01 GMT -5
If anyone was holding out any hope still that they were gonna push Liv Morgan. Her getting dumped out by Brie should proved otherwise.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 30, 2022 18:15:18 GMT -5
I wonder if this is kind of the apex of WWE's lack of any forward thinking plans really getting people salty.
Like, the last time I consistently watched WWE was 2004-2005, and I ended up not really enjoying it, hence why I stopped watching. In large part I got more into companies like ROH and just ended up feeling like I enjoyed Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson, and AJ Styles more than I did Randy Orton, John Cena, and Batista.
But for as much as I can criticize those guys or the way WWE pushed them (though there's no denying how successful they've all wound up being), there's no denying that WWE committed to those guys and used 2004-2005 to push them to the main event, e.g. Orton's IC run, Cena's US run, the people they beat, the stages where they got to the next level, etc. Like them or not, like the booking or not, you could at least watch WWE in those years and go "Oh, ok, these are the people they're building to be their future, and it's unfolding as I watch each week."
Now, we've got the usual "there's only 6-7 people who matter in WWE booking" criticism, but worse than that is, like...who's being built up to dethrone Roman? Is it Brock? That's not really exciting or new. And given that the big critique of the men's rumble last night was that it felt like a parade of people who didn't matter or who couldn't possibly win, or how even the some of the established guys or former champions don't feel interesting since Roman's already beaten them (e.g. Owens, Edge, etc.), then where is this all going?
It's funny, I just feel like historically WWE would often get more leeway than other promotions for bad shows or decisions, likely due to the nostalgia most fans have for it on some level, but we're now over 20 years out from the company's creative and in-ring peak and that goodwill feels burned up...yet I can't help but wonder if people would be willing to really give them that leeway again if they could watch the show and at least feel like there's some kind of plan in any of the writing.
Like, who's the future, here, even just the near future? It's not Brock, he's in his mid-40s. It's not Roman, he's the present, and he's already soundly beaten a lot of people who could've challenged him. It's not Lashley; he's around Brock's age and it sounds like he largely got his ass kicked despite walking away the winner last night. With the midcard belts it's not Priest, he's older already and they seem to be screwing with his gimmick; it's not Shinsuke, as he's older too and they rarely do much with him, anyway. Is it Austin Theory? Did he do anything interesting in the Rumble?
So yeah, same critiques that a lot of you guys make, but just thinking of it more big picture and how seemingly easy it'd be for them to address them. Maybe WWE's overall booking would still suck, but if there was at least a semblance of "ok, this is building towards something" or "this push is going somewhere" they'd at least have that part of things bettered in the eyes of their audience.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 30, 2022 18:42:03 GMT -5
I wonder if this is kind of the apex of WWE's lack of any forward thinking plans really getting people salty. Like, the last time I consistently watched WWE was 2004-2005, and I ended up not really enjoying it, hence why I stopped watching. In large part I got more into companies like ROH and just ended up feeling like I enjoyed Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson, and AJ Styles more than I did Randy Orton, John Cena, and Batista. But for as much as I can criticize those guys or the way WWE pushed them (though there's no denying how successful they've all wound up being), there's no denying that WWE committed to those guys and used 2004-2005 to push them to the main event, e.g. Orton's IC run, Cena's US run, the people they beat, the stages where they got to the next level, etc. Like them or not, like the booking or not, you could at least watch WWE in those years and go "Oh, ok, these are the people they're building to be their future, and it's unfolding as I watch each week." Now, we've got the usual "there's only 6-7 people who matter in WWE booking" criticism, but worse than that is, like...who's being built up to dethrone Roman? Is it Brock? That's not really exciting or new. And given that the big critique of the men's rumble last night was that it felt like a parade of people who didn't matter or who couldn't possibly win, or how even the some of the established guys or former champions don't feel interesting since Roman's already beaten them (e.g. Owens, Edge, etc.), then where is this all going? It's funny, I just feel like historically WWE would often get more leeway than other promotions for bad shows or decisions, likely due to the nostalgia most fans have for it on some level, but we're now over 20 years out from the company's creative and in-ring peak and that goodwill feels burned up...yet I can't help but wonder if people would be willing to really give them that leeway again if they could watch the show and at least feel like there's some kind of plan in any of the writing. Like, who's the future, here, even just the near future? It's not Brock, he's in his mid-40s. It's not Roman, he's the present, and he's already soundly beaten a lot of people who could've challenged him. It's not Lashley; he's around Brock's age and it sounds like he largely got his ass kicked despite walking away the winner last night. With the midcard belts it's not Priest, he's older already and they seem to be screwing with his gimmick; it's not Shinsuke, as he's older too and they rarely do much with him, anyway. Is it Austin Theory? Did he do anything interesting in the Rumble? So yeah, same critiques that a lot of you guys make, but just thinking of it more big picture and how seemingly easy it'd be for them to address them. Maybe WWE's overall booking would still suck, but if there was at least a semblance of "ok, this is building towards something" or "this push is going somewhere" they'd at least have that part of things bettered in the eyes of their audience. Speaking as someone that has left watching WWE in the '00s, and came back, only to leave again and hasn't come back, from reading all the reports and results, it sounds like this current generation is in a holding pattern until Vince is gone. Whatever that'll mean. Vince is currently more concerned on making as much money under the WWE flag as he can, rather than building the future Superstars to carry the company past '25-'30. I don't believe that Austin Theory, Bron Breakker, or anyone else being brought up through the current NXT, truly has "my guy" written on them to Vince, because I don't think he cares who is "the guy" beyond '25. He has already gotten Brock and Roman and a handful of mainstays that will perpetuate the product to that point. He didn't want dozens and dozens of possibilities, he wants money, hence why so many have been let go over the last 2 years. The next generation was Hunter's desire/dream, not Vince's.
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Post by koreycaskets on Jan 30, 2022 18:42:59 GMT -5
I don't hate the Bellas. The YES YES YES spot was really cool , people ain't gonna forget the American Dragon but... Why so dominant in the rumble ? Wtf? The Bellas are in the Hall of Fame and have always been MASSIVELY over with live crowds, despite this board’s bizarre obsession with ignoring that fact. Well there is that
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 30, 2022 18:53:03 GMT -5
Because they’re the only two working as a team? Riot Squad as a team got thrown out in 43 seconds The Riot squad barely won when they were an actual active team. So it fits
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 30, 2022 19:04:31 GMT -5
I don't hate the Bellas. The YES YES YES spot was really cool , people ain't gonna forget the American Dragon but... Why so dominant in the rumble ? Wtf? The Bellas are in the Hall of Fame and have always been MASSIVELY over with live crowds, despite this board’s bizarre obsession with ignoring that fact. I think it was less about The Bella's being over, and more "They are less than part timers, Nikki has well documented neck issues, and they just dominated the Rumble and tossed out a bunch of girls who are there every week", which to be fair isn't a Bellas problem, it's a "WWE cares only for the past" problem
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Jan 30, 2022 19:07:47 GMT -5
Nakamura went from winning a Royal Rumble eliminating two of the biggest stars ever, to being eliminated by Ali, then Corbin, then getting tossed by Lesnar in less than 20 seconds and now the 2nd person unceremoniously thrown out of the match.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jan 30, 2022 19:20:56 GMT -5
Wwe management whenever someone gets over:
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Post by khali on Jan 30, 2022 19:31:17 GMT -5
I keep thinking of more stuff that happened in the matches that sucked. Specifically, they kept teasing stuff that would have been fun and not doing it. Riott Squad reunion! Sorry, nope. Rousey and Baszler are going to face off! No, they’re not. McIntyre and Lesnar final face off! Oops, it’s already over.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 30, 2022 19:43:43 GMT -5
I keep thinking of more stuff that happened in the matches that sucked. Specifically, they kept teasing stuff that would have been fun and not doing it. Riott Squad reunion! Sorry, nope. Rousey and Baszler are going to face off! No, they’re not. McIntyre and Lesnar final face off! Oops, it’s already over. my friend kept pointing out the ... Charlotte vs. Ronda staredown... and Ronda tosses her immediately...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 30, 2022 19:48:47 GMT -5
Honestly the Mens Rumble's end was just so f***ing shit the more you really look at it. When Lesnar came out, the crowd died a death, because it was so obvious he was winning
The ring had Orton, Riddle, McIntyre, Shane McMahon, and Bad Bunny in it... like what the f*** even was the point? Otis and Big E were in there mere minutes ago, you at the very least could have had way more interesting confrontations than Lesnar coming in, no selling his Lashley match, and killing everyone to crowd apathy.
Might be the second most poorly constructed Rumble ending I've ever seen (It's really hard to top Show and Kane dumping everyone's favorites in 2015), no drama, lifeless, and disappointing
Frankly, it's not helped that it was also a Rumble with the most dire talent pool since 2012, appropriately. Entrant after entrant of guys with almost no credibility, no surprises worth a damn outside of Bad Bunny, and themes that constantly made the crowd go "Huh? Who? Oh... wait who??". Just not pretty.
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Post by 06vwgti on Jan 30, 2022 19:58:19 GMT -5
I keep thinking of more stuff that happened in the matches that sucked. Specifically, they kept teasing stuff that would have been fun and not doing it. Riott Squad reunion! Sorry, nope. Rousey and Baszler are going to face off! No, they’re not. McIntyre and Lesnar final face off! Oops, it’s already over. All the teases kept disappointing me because I kept hoping for something, but nope!
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Post by r. on Jan 30, 2022 20:01:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 20:03:32 GMT -5
Think it is time we get ahead of the curb on this one and book HOW WILL NEXT YEARS RUMBLE BE SOMEHOW WORSE.
Knoxville enters #1 and wins the rumble by eliminating both WWE and Universal champions to win it and those champions are Bad Bunny and Shane McMahon.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 30, 2022 20:19:43 GMT -5
I actually agree with this, Knoxville also got a better pop than like half the Rumble... which is an indictment in itself too.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 30, 2022 20:21:50 GMT -5
Shit like this can be cited as a potential reason if we see some talents just not renew their deals imo, like this is supposed to be one of the biggest and most fun events of the wrestling calander, and they can't do anything right anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 20:36:03 GMT -5
I actually agree with this, Knoxville also got a better pop than like half the Rumble... which is an indictment in itself too. Idk who it was either Knoxville or Bunny threw a gawd damn roaring elbow that would make Masato Tanaka sit up and take notice AND THIS WAS FROM A GAWD DAMN non full time celebrity. I felt nothing but shame for this f***ing roster when that happened I was like..holy shit they just laid their shit in better than 90% of this gawd damn roster unreal.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 30, 2022 20:37:43 GMT -5
I actually agree with this, Knoxville also got a better pop than like half the Rumble... which is an indictment in itself too. Idk who it was either Knoxville or Bunny threw a gawd damn roaring elbow that would make Masato Tanaka sit up and take notice AND THIS WAS FROM A GAWD DAMN non full time celebrity. I felt nothing but shame for this f***ing roster when that happened I was like..holy shit they just laid their shit in better than 90% of this gawd damn roster unreal. Knoxville threw a stiff forearm on AJ and then AJ did these baby tap spin around slaps in response lol
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 30, 2022 20:42:37 GMT -5
Honestly I can totally believe the reports of poor planning. Even just watching the Rumbles they felt sloppy. The entrants order, pacing, eliminations, etc all constantly felt off with very few memorable spots either.
And seeing the same old people getting the top spots, and part timers being brought in and pushed as well, must be deflating if you’re a full time roster person as well.
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