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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 11:52:56 GMT -5
I would have to go back and see when things started feeling a bit more disorganized storywise and see if the timing matches up at all, but I do wonder how much Kenny unofficially actually contributed backstage, and not just with the women's division. There's a part of me that feels like a lot of this has been basically since he went on his sabbatical, but I can't really back that up yet. The other point of divergence I'm thinking of when comparing early AEW to Daily's Place era AEW to now, is that time where all the newz sites said that TK had effectively taken over booking completely versus having the input of the EVPs (or at least the Bucks and Cody). Agreed 100% with the head coach/assistant coach analogy, or really any kind of herding cats scenario where you absolutely need to delegate for things to work properly. I would guess that's more correlation than causation, although you are kind of onto something timing wise. I think the issue is more the massive influx of talent over the last year. It's really difficult to give everyone something to do in 3 hours of weekly television when your roster, quite literally, doubles in size.
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Post by THE FVNKER on May 18, 2022 14:05:28 GMT -5
That's literally any wrestling show that runs weekly. Even the oh so loved Sports Entertainment titan WWE. Things change. "Better" ideas sometimes come up after things are written.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on May 18, 2022 14:12:48 GMT -5
In theory this is where the TNT Title could be useful. But instead it’s wrapped up in the worst feud AEW has ever done (imo). I’d like someone who thinks they have a grasp on this to explain the thought process behind the Sky/Sammy ‘Neverending story’ double-turn into another double-turn booking. My best guess is Tony had the Sammy/Tay roles planned for Cody and Brandy and wanted to show the world what could have happened if Cody had stayed, how he could make him into a great heel with this angle and … well, nobody seems to be into it nor understands what it’s trying to accomplish. That's the weird part, the crowd WAS reacting to Sammy and Tay as Heels and even cheered for Scorpio during that title match, and he seemed to be getting decent face reactions WHY the hell the had had him double down on being a heel when he matched up with Frankie doesn't really make sense. I'm seriously wondering where this is going
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Post by oxbaker on May 18, 2022 14:34:09 GMT -5
I would have to go back and see when things started feeling a bit more disorganized storywise and see if the timing matches up at all, but I do wonder how much Kenny unofficially actually contributed backstage, and not just with the women's division. There's a part of me that feels like a lot of this has been basically since he went on his sabbatical, but I can't really back that up yet. The other point of divergence I'm thinking of when comparing early AEW to Daily's Place era AEW to now, is that time where all the newz sites said that TK had effectively taken over booking completely versus having the input of the EVPs (or at least the Bucks and Cody). Agreed 100% with the head coach/assistant coach analogy, or really any kind of herding cats scenario where you absolutely need to delegate for things to work properly. I would guess that's more correlation than causation, although you are kind of onto something timing wise. I think the issue is more the massive influx of talent over the last year. It's really difficult to give everyone something to do in 3 hours of weekly television when your roster, quite literally, doubles in size. Some of that is just knowing when it’s a buyer’s market and being selective. Miro was a good pickup at the time. Punk and BD, no-brainers. But did you have to have Aleister Black right now? Buddy? Adam Cole? Joe? Is Jeff Hardy a necessary addition if it means bumping others down the pecking order? My point is, just because something is on sale doesn’t mean you have to buy it. If you pass on some of those guys, likely they’re still going to be there for you to sign later if you see a need or a hole they can fill. But it seems like, at least from a viewer’s standpoint, that the ‘new toys’ get priority over the ‘old toys’ sometimes — I mean if Tony is going to sign those guys and make a big deal out of adding them, of course you want to give them something to do. There’s a right size for the roster. Right now I think it’s too large, even if you factor in ROH (that’s tougher to know until we know whether they get a TV deal, and if so whether it’s one hour or two), but even then you don’t have to have a huge roster to stock ROH when you can ‘loan’ talent from AEW and bring in fresh angles.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 18, 2022 14:54:11 GMT -5
I would guess that's more correlation than causation, although you are kind of onto something timing wise. I think the issue is more the massive influx of talent over the last year. It's really difficult to give everyone something to do in 3 hours of weekly television when your roster, quite literally, doubles in size. Some of that is just knowing when it’s a buyer’s market and being selective. Miro was a good pickup at the time. Punk and BD, no-brainers. But did you have to have Aleister Black right now? Buddy? Adam Cole? Joe? Is Jeff Hardy a necessary addition if it means bumping others down the pecking order? My point is, just because something is on sale doesn’t mean you have to buy it. If you pass on some of those guys, likely they’re still going to be there for you to sign later if you see a need or a hole they can fill. But it seems like, at least from a viewer’s standpoint, that the ‘new toys’ get priority over the ‘old toys’ sometimes — I mean if Tony is going to sign those guys and make a big deal out of adding them, of course you want to give them something to do. There’s a right size for the roster. Right now I think it’s too large, even if you factor in ROH (that’s tougher to know until we know whether they get a TV deal, and if so whether it’s one hour or two), but even then you don’t have to have a huge roster to stock ROH when you can ‘loan’ talent from AEW and bring in fresh angles. Yeah I often feel like AEW (WWE too but that's a different shebang) has way too big of a roster. I feel like TK is to wrestlers what I am to collecting comic or toys or just whatever. Don't wanna pass by the opportunity to grab something on a good deal or maybe because it just came out and you don't wanna pay more later since you just know you're gonna get it eventually anyways. So you pick it up, oh and 3 other figures in the series or a whole run of a comic storyline because you wanted an issue out of it. You're happy with your purchase. No buyer remorse or anything. But your shelf is out of room or maybe you had a theme going on in this section that isn't what it set out to be originally. Now you gotta put stuff in storage or give something to your kids or flip it on ebay. This ain't a knock on the dude and I dunno if any of these analogies even translate correctly but he's who I feel I would be if I could buy wrestler contracts and that comes with both positives and negatives, heh.
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Post by oxbaker on May 18, 2022 15:05:51 GMT -5
Some of that is just knowing when it’s a buyer’s market and being selective. Miro was a good pickup at the time. Punk and BD, no-brainers. But did you have to have Aleister Black right now? Buddy? Adam Cole? Joe? Is Jeff Hardy a necessary addition if it means bumping others down the pecking order? My point is, just because something is on sale doesn’t mean you have to buy it. If you pass on some of those guys, likely they’re still going to be there for you to sign later if you see a need or a hole they can fill. But it seems like, at least from a viewer’s standpoint, that the ‘new toys’ get priority over the ‘old toys’ sometimes — I mean if Tony is going to sign those guys and make a big deal out of adding them, of course you want to give them something to do. There’s a right size for the roster. Right now I think it’s too large, even if you factor in ROH (that’s tougher to know until we know whether they get a TV deal, and if so whether it’s one hour or two), but even then you don’t have to have a huge roster to stock ROH when you can ‘loan’ talent from AEW and bring in fresh angles. Yeah I often feel like AEW (WWE too but that's a different shebang) has way too big of a roster. I feel like TK is to wrestlers what I am to collecting comic or toys or just whatever. Don't wanna pass by the opportunity to grab something on a good deal or maybe because it just came out and you don't wanna pay more later since you just know you're gonna get it eventually anyways. So you pick it up, oh and 3 other figures in the series or a whole run of a comic storyline because you wanted an issue out of it. You're happy with your purchase. No buyer remorse or anything. But your shelf is out of room or maybe you had a theme going on in this section that isn't what it set out to be originally. Now you gotta put stuff in storage or give something to your kids or flip it on ebay. This ain't a knock on the dude and I dunno if any of these analogies even translate correctly but he's who I feel I would be if I could buy wrestler contracts and that comes with both positives and negatives, heh. It may be that we’re in the ‘in-between time’ and a lot of this will sort it out with non-renewals. We’ve seen a couple but it could be that Tony has many more that he doesn’t plan on keeping but their deals are still a few months out from expiring. But if there’s a budget that he wants to keep balanced, adding one major former WWE star is probably only evened out by not renewing a bunch of former indie guys who were on original deals. This may look different by the fall, but I think the roster needs some pruning.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on May 18, 2022 15:10:50 GMT -5
Yeah the Owen tournament is a big reason why the build to DoN has been lackluster. And I'm okay with the tournament as it's a wonderful cause, but I maybe would have sped it up.
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Post by nate5054 on May 18, 2022 17:53:06 GMT -5
Their booking is far from perfect, and I don't enjoy AEW as much as I enjoyed WWF in the mid to late 90s, but it's still the most I've enjoyed professional wrestling since Austin and Rock left WWE.
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