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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 25, 2023 15:54:55 GMT -5
To those devoutly wanting Sami Vs Roman: What about KO & the Usos? Cause you’d be robbing them of one hell of a WM moment (and payday perhaps if they headline). Who does KO have to face at WM? Or the Usos? The Banger Bros? I think my answer to that would be... I don't care. It's dumb to sacrifice a natural end to a story because it makes structuring other stuff around it take less work. Like, have a six man with the Banger Bros and KO against the Bloodline and set that up by having them screw The Usos out of the belts from a challenger that’ll have a match on the main show to give them a big spot. Problem solved.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jan 25, 2023 16:18:57 GMT -5
Why not just have Sami pull double duty? Have him and KO win the belts AND then the Usos shake Sami/KOs hand. Roman berates the Usos, the usos tell him he’s on his own and Roman says watch me do what you guys couldn’t do and then Roman gets beat by Sami night 2 and the Usos celebrate with Sami
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 25, 2023 16:44:18 GMT -5
I think my answer to that would be... I don't care. It's dumb to sacrifice a natural end to a story because it makes structuring other stuff around it take less work. Like, have a six man with the Banger Bros and KO against the Bloodline and set that up by having them screw The Usos out of the belts from a challenger that’ll have a match on the main show to give them a big spot. Problem solved. That wouldn’t have the same gravitas as a KO/Sami vs. Usos match would (not to mention what it does for the prestige of the tag titles). That would almost feel like a throw-away type of match that would main event Smackdown.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 25, 2023 16:59:16 GMT -5
Like, have a six man with the Banger Bros and KO against the Bloodline and set that up by having them screw The Usos out of the belts from a challenger that’ll have a match on the main show to give them a big spot. Problem solved. That wouldn’t have the same gravitas as a KO/Sami vs. Usos match would (not to mention what it does for the prestige of the tag titles). That would almost feel like a throw-away type of match that would main event Smackdown. Yeah, that sounds like a TV main event and a massive downgrade from Usos v Sami/KO which has 6-12 months of build, would be the biggest tag title match in years and would be one of the most heavily promoted matches on the card/s. Usos/Solo v Sheamus/Drew/KO with no stakes is a pretty nothing match on a Wrestlemania card. It would basically be like Shield v Sheamus/Orton/Big Show in 2013. An act who've been all over TV and highlighting shows all year then at Wrestlemania they're in a forgettable 6 man tag. Actually, that reminds me that the Shield never got to have a great Wrestlemania match as a group. They only had 2 Wrestlemanias together but they were both short, foregone conclusion matches compared to on TV and other PPVs were they were routinely having show stealing matches. I guess the type of opponents they could have a classic with at Wrestlemania were the top names who were needed in big singles matches elsewhere on the card and three of them couldn't be sacrificed for a 6 man tag.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 25, 2023 17:20:03 GMT -5
I don’t know, I think the story of “You three f***ed around with my title wins, we want to take you out for doing that to us” sounds like high stakes to me.
Mostly because there’s no way for me to believe fans wouldn’t think having Sami in the tag title match would be seen as anything but a massive downgrade.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jan 25, 2023 17:29:14 GMT -5
To those devoutly wanting Sami Vs Roman: What about KO & the Usos? Cause you’d be robbing them of one hell of a WM moment (and payday perhaps if they headline). Who does KO have to face at WM? Or the Usos? The Banger Bros? Following that line of thinking... surely wanting any match to main event WrestleMania is 'robbing' all the other wrestlers their moment and money? KO main evented literally last year and The Uso's have been unbeatable champs forever. They'll be fine regardless - but either way nobody needs to care just because they want some other match to happen.
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Post by Fade on Jan 25, 2023 17:30:21 GMT -5
I don’t know, I think the story of “You three f***ed around with my title wins, we want to take you out for doing that to us” sounds like high stakes to me. Mostly because there’s no way for me to believe fans wouldn’t think having Sami in the tag title match would be seen as anything but a massive downgrade. Why?
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Post by Fade on Jan 25, 2023 17:33:47 GMT -5
To those devoutly wanting Sami Vs Roman: What about KO & the Usos? Cause you’d be robbing them of one hell of a WM moment (and payday perhaps if they headline). Who does KO have to face at WM? Or the Usos? The Banger Bros? Following that line of thinking... surely wanting any match to main event WrestleMania is 'robbing' all the other wrestlers their moment and money? No. But as others have pointed out, you’ve got a chance of multiple high caliber matches here. Part of Usos being unbeatable so long, as well as the incredible story with Sami, feels deserving of a culmination at their grandest show 🤷
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 25, 2023 17:34:45 GMT -5
I don’t know, I think the story of “You three f***ed around with my title wins, we want to take you out for doing that to us” sounds like high stakes to me. Mostly because there’s no way for me to believe fans wouldn’t think having Sami in the tag title match would be seen as anything but a massive downgrade. We'll ultimately find out in a week or so after the Rumble and any developments on the following TV but I don't think fans are going to revolt and see Sami in that potential match with the Usos and KO as a massive downgrade. I think people who think this is a Daniel Bryan 2014 situation and fans are going to turn on everything if it isn't Sami are going to be surprised. No one cared about the possibility of Bryan v Sheamus which is what was going to happen if he didn't get the world title match so for fans it was a win the Rumble or we riot type of situation. With Sami I think people are ultra invested in the Uso stuff and will go crazy for Jey turning on him, Roman/Sami and a reunion with KO in Montreal at EC then beating the Usos at Wrestlemania if that's the story they go with.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 25, 2023 17:41:39 GMT -5
I don’t know, I think the story of “You three f***ed around with my title wins, we want to take you out for doing that to us” sounds like high stakes to me. Mostly because there’s no way for me to believe fans wouldn’t think having Sami in the tag title match would be seen as anything but a massive downgrade. Why? Because of the amount of training that tag team wrestling barely means a thing outside of occasional pushes and two singles guys winning the tag belts for reasons. Like, even with HHH, his bright idea was to bring back Hit Row and potentially bring back AOP.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 25, 2023 17:42:42 GMT -5
Like, hey, fans could be fine with it. But acting like there’s no story there with 8 weeks until WrestleMania to make it feels crazy to me. Regardless of what they do.
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Post by khali on Jan 25, 2023 18:05:24 GMT -5
Would it be a nice moment to have Owens and Sami reunite and beat the Usos? Sure. But at the same time, Reigns and Sami have been the focus of this story for months upon months. To move Sami away from him at Mania and have someone else be the one to dethrone him doesn’t seem like the right finish to this story. Cody is massively over and should get the title at some point. But he has not been a part of this story. It’s Sami’s story.
To me, this would be like if they did all the year long build to Savage and Hogan at Wrestlemania V, and then diverted Savage to a different opponent for his title match.
But anyway, if it’s not going to be Sami winning the Rumble, he shouldn’t even be in the match. Do a stretcher job and show him physically leaving the building. Because if he’s in the match, they’re going to want him to win.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 25, 2023 18:12:14 GMT -5
I’m still in the “multiple options can work if the post-Wrestlemania pathway is already laid out” camp, but if Hunter (or Vince) aren’t about to pivot to putting Sami in the World title mix, then no, he should absolutely not be in the Rumble match.
In my opinion they need to put on Roman/Kevin earlier (I see Sami getting clobbered for some reason, just a hunch) and have the men’s Rumble as the main event regardless of what they do, of course.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 25, 2023 18:12:21 GMT -5
I don’t know, I think the story of “You three f***ed around with my title wins, we want to take you out for doing that to us” sounds like high stakes to me. Mostly because there’s no way for me to believe fans wouldn’t think having Sami in the tag title match would be seen as anything but a massive downgrade. I think that’s the misfire there. The Usos and tag titles are over big-time right now. The tag titles are very prestigious at this time, which might be hard to believe after some of the past troubles the company has had booking the tag titles in a meaningful way.
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Post by msc on Jan 25, 2023 18:14:39 GMT -5
I get folk being passionate about Sami. Dude is killing it, love it. But to say there's no build to a tag match is disengenuous. Not just because samis downfall is his love of Owens. But what was his goal in the bloodline? To be an honorary Use. He was even hanging on reigns to get the usos to like him He's cemented a spot higher than anyone expected but yeah his route to the main event go via redemption and taking down the usos.
Especially that Jey. Him turning on Sami is going to be like X-Pac turning on Kane. Probably in three days time...
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 25, 2023 18:16:49 GMT -5
I’m still in the “multiple options can work if the post-Wrestlemania pathway is already laid out” camp, but if Hunter (or Vince) aren’t about to pivot to putting Sami in the World title mix, then no, he should absolutely not be in the Rumble match. In my opinion they need to put on Roman/Kevin earlier (I see Sami getting clobbered for some reason, just a hunch) and have the men’s Rumble as the main event regardless of what they do, of course. Agreed. Keep him the f*** away from that match in any way possible if he’s not at the very least reaching the final 4. Also, nobody’s saying there isn’t a storyline for a KO/Sami vs. Usos tag match but compared to the other stuff they’re teasing? It’d almost feel like baiting.
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Post by msc on Jan 25, 2023 18:17:35 GMT -5
Ps. I'd love Sami winning the rumble. But I'm at peace with him not.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 25, 2023 18:22:25 GMT -5
I’m still in the “multiple options can work if the post-Wrestlemania pathway is already laid out” camp, but if Hunter (or Vince) aren’t about to pivot to putting Sami in the World title mix, then no, he should absolutely not be in the Rumble match. In my opinion they need to put on Roman/Kevin earlier (I see Sami getting clobbered for some reason, just a hunch) and have the men’s Rumble as the main event regardless of what they do, of course. Agreed. Keep him the f*** away from that match in any way possible if he’s not at the very least reaching the final 4. Also, nobody’s saying there isn’t a storyline for a KO/Sami vs. Usos tag match but compared to the other stuff they’re teasing? It’d almost feel like baiting. If you’ve been watching week after week for months, the main story arc has been with Sami and Jey and KO. They’ve switched at times to focusing more on Roman because ultimately he’s in charge, but at its core the story has been about Jey trusting Sami, and Owens’ involvement. Right now the story is at a point where Roman, Jey and Sami are getting pretty much equal attention, so they can pivot either way for Mania. My guess is that Roman is the destination for EC and the Usos for Mania.
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Post by msc on Jan 25, 2023 19:01:03 GMT -5
Mischief post being mischievous.
What if it's the other way round. Zayn wins rumble after usos kick his leg out of his leg. Zayn v Roman at mania but first Sami and Kevin reunite to take down the uso roadblocks in the way IN MONTREAL!
Rematch that night one, Sami reigns night two. Boom.
Mischief post ends.
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Post by Fade on Jan 25, 2023 19:17:25 GMT -5
Because of the amount of training that tag team wrestling barely means a thing outside of occasional pushes and two singles guys winning the tag belts for reasons. Like, even with HHH, his bright idea was to bring back Hit Row and potentially bring back AOP. Yeah, I basically agree with that. Which is why I think putting the focus on the tag titles is a step in the right direction. Agreed. Keep him the f*** away from that match in any way possible if he’s not at the very least reaching the final 4. Also, nobody’s saying there isn’t a storyline for a KO/Sami vs. Usos tag match but compared to the other stuff they’re teasing? It’d almost feel like baiting. If you’ve been watching week after week for months, the main story arc has been with Sami and Jey and KO. They’ve switched at times to focusing more on Roman because ultimately he’s in charge, but at its core the story has been about Jey trusting Sami, and Owens’ involvement. Right now the story is at a point where Roman, Jey and Sami are getting pretty much equal attention, so they can pivot either way for Mania. My guess is that Roman is the destination for EC and the Usos for Mania. That’s why I’m so confused ‘bout the narrative bit. The crux of the story has been Sami wanting acceptance from these villains. While dejecting his former best friend who’s sincere in a way that contrasts The Bloodline, for the most part. Until recently. But the emotional moment this past Monday wasn’t regarding Roman and Sami. It was Jey not only accepting Sami, but standing up for him. Shit was incredible and however the story goes is going to be just as emotional and involving those 4 dudes. Jey, Sami and KO in particular. I agree that It’s probably Roman at EC, Usos at WM. Sami isn’t going anywhere (I think - _ -) and he has consistently killed it. WM 40 seems perfect for the Guy’s coronation. Mischief post being mischievous. What if it's the other way round. Zayn wins rumble after usos kick his leg out of his leg. Zayn v Roman at mania but first Sami and Kevin reunite to take down the uso roadblocks in the way IN MONTREAL! Rematch that night one, Sami reigns night two. Boom. Mischief post ends. Cody is on Pharaoh-Duty. f*** it; Do this.
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