bob
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Post by bob on Apr 9, 2023 22:07:05 GMT -5
is it perfect, no -- but I usually like what I see Even prince nana? Haha that's why it's not perfect oh yes.... I can hold a grudge Prince Nana was supposed to call in for an interview on behalf of ROH on my wrestling talk show I had in college to help promote a show in Chicago Ridge..... he never did Gabe Sapolsky called us to apologize ... and that is why I will never like Prince Nana
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 9, 2023 22:08:16 GMT -5
Just wild to me that in 2023, we're still hearing about AEW's honeymoon period as if the company hasn't not only run into plenty of things widely panned, but also whole stretches of existence where people have gone 'Yeah those few months kinda sucked' or 'Yeah that title run was garbage'. "QT Marshall is on TV and I never heard of this viking guy so people must just be forgiving them for not being Vince" is also kinda rancid for the implications.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 9, 2023 22:12:22 GMT -5
Does anyone else feel this way or am I a lone voice screaming in the void when I hear Daddy Magic's voice? 2.0 are a great team and have been fantastic as the goons of Jericho, and Daddy Magic is one of the best promos in the company. Between him, Billy Gunn, Sting and Brody King, AEW is unbeatable when it comes to Wrestling Dads.
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Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 10, 2023 1:29:25 GMT -5
I think the honeymoon period has been over since last year at least. Fans are a lot more critical of the things they don't like than they were in 2019 or 2020. This really feels like a "People like things I don't, therefore they're the ones that are wrong" thread. In addition aew has been around long enough for longer-term issues and tropes to become apparent. Those little annoyances becoming impossible to overlook is basically the definition of the honeymoon period being over. However for majority they're a long way from being grounds for divorce. Especially as aew tend to listen and works on it's issues (including now using videopackages for the majority of outside stars). If we got through the Lambert/Sky/Sammy saga then we can deal with the outcasts being a crappy stable.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 10, 2023 3:35:35 GMT -5
Wrestling is for everyone but not every individual wrestling promotion is for everyone. It's okay to not like AEW. Watch it, don't watch it. It's all good.
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Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 10, 2023 4:12:41 GMT -5
It ended with Cody leaving. 2022 was the wake up call year. Yet they recovered well from a series of events in 2022 that I don't think other companies would have as they did. It was rough for a bit, but Full Gear 2022 felt like they for the most part righted the ship back, and 2023 and Revolution for many people felt like AEW was firing again I don't really think there's a Honeymoon period anymore, it's either you like it, you don't, or you like some things or you don't. They've existed long enough for people to make their own decisions on if they wanna watch or keep watching the product that have nothing to do with "Honeymoon periods" anymore.
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Post by Hurbster on Apr 10, 2023 4:18:58 GMT -5
It's not easy to be critical of AEW sometimes. And that's all I have to say about that.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 10, 2023 4:27:43 GMT -5
It's not easy to be critical of AEW sometimes. And that's all I have to say about that. We get negative threads here all the time where people voice their displeasure for something or clown on it, some of which are currently sitting atop the section I feel like in the early days people were super protective of AEW but that's lessened as has the feeling of unknown if AEW would survive, especially over the pandemic. These days? Negativity is not gatekept here, and it's weird that people insinuate that it still is. It's a discussion forum, people are gonna disagree and argue points all the time, so long as they aren't crazy hyperbole, like anywhere, I feel like plenty of people get to say and have said plenty if something in AEW sucks here. Least as far as I've ever seen.
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Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 10, 2023 4:41:38 GMT -5
We literally had to make a thread for people to state what they loved about AEW to counter a lot negativity surrounding them at the time.
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Post by Billie Gein on Apr 10, 2023 6:48:46 GMT -5
If there was such a period then it ended last year. It got the benefit of the doubt because it didn't have a track record of pissing people off, but now it does have that, for some people, so it's another wrestling company that some people love and some people hate because 100% universal agreement among fans of anything is an impossible goal (which is a good thing, IMO).
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 10, 2023 7:10:38 GMT -5
Honeymoon phase ended in a cloud of muffins and man-biting. People are just liking what they like now. WWE giving people aa great reason to be mad with them again is also going to colour things.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 10, 2023 7:22:19 GMT -5
AEW has good periods and it has bad, but I feel like it's been around long enough for you to generally know what you're going to expect and whether it's for you or not. Like, I think where I come down on AEW is I enjoy individual shows when I watch them but I don't enjoy the company on a broader level but hey, so long as every now and then I can turn the show on when I'm in the mood and get a banger match out of it when I need it I can live with that.
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ERON
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Post by ERON on Apr 10, 2023 7:44:10 GMT -5
If the honeymoon wasn't over after the Sparkler Death Match, Cody's defection, or Muffingate, then I don't think it ever will be.
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Post by markymark on Apr 10, 2023 7:48:12 GMT -5
It ended with Cody leaving. 2022 was the wake up call year. 2022 was a catastrophe of events: Cody leaving, numerous injuries and interim champions, backstage fights, Tony buying Ring of Honor and having little room to integrate it, and finally Punk’s scrum and the Brawl Out. Combined with it coinciding with Vince temporarily leaving WWE and people becoming optimistic about its product for the first time in more than a decade? It was not just the end of AEW’s honeymoon, it was AEW’s trial by fire. Things have finally calmed down and it’s apparent that AEW can weather significant storms. So yeah, AEW isn’t the hot new thing anymore. It’s the reliable second major promotion that a lot of lapsed wrestling fans have found their way back to, and we’re sticking around now that it’s clear that it’s not just TNA 2.0 or any other pretender to the secondary throne that arose after WCW collapsed.
Imo this all started when TK buried Swole on twitter, its like this incident cursed the company last year looking at the amount of bad luck they had.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 10, 2023 8:02:40 GMT -5
I think it's been over for a while.
Now, I don't take that to mean that people are turning on it, or anything like that.
Just that it's been around long enough that it can and does exist as its own thing without the "shiny and new" sheen on top of it.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Apr 10, 2023 9:07:00 GMT -5
Listen, I lived through a Honeymoon period that had Beaver Cleavage, it's tends to happen when one show is significantly better than the other.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 10, 2023 10:25:33 GMT -5
Been long over. Let's be honest, even if there was a good in ring product, AEW spent the summer last year in a holding pattern waiting for Punk so a lot of people were fairly bored since not much was going on. Then you had the drama coming out before All Out then the whole All Out fiasco I'd honestly say for a good 6 months the feeling around AEW was fairly negative especially with Vince being out in WWE at the time.
I think things corrected after Full Gear with things really kicking it up after the new year to the point I think most debate around AEW anymore is fairly healthy... Heck I'd argue that some of the criticisms thrown out to AEW are maybe over critical because of a higher standard have some for the product (see how much venom was on this board when the Ass Boys won the tag titles)
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 10, 2023 10:34:55 GMT -5
2022 was a catastrophe of events: Cody leaving, numerous injuries and interim champions, backstage fights, Tony buying Ring of Honor and having little room to integrate it, and finally Punk’s scrum and the Brawl Out. Combined with it coinciding with Vince temporarily leaving WWE and people becoming optimistic about its product for the first time in more than a decade? It was not just the end of AEW’s honeymoon, it was AEW’s trial by fire. Things have finally calmed down and it’s apparent that AEW can weather significant storms. So yeah, AEW isn’t the hot new thing anymore. It’s the reliable second major promotion that a lot of lapsed wrestling fans have found their way back to, and we’re sticking around now that it’s clear that it’s not just TNA 2.0 or any other pretender to the secondary throne that arose after WCW collapsed.
Imo this all started when TK buried Swole on twitter, its like this incident cursed the company last year looking at the amount of bad luck they had.
I still find it weird that Tony decided to plug Rampage in that same tweet. Tony needs to turn the hype mode off when he's addressing off-camera situations, whether he's right or wrong.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Apr 10, 2023 10:36:30 GMT -5
Also, regarding WWE vs AEW, which everything becomes, lets just say it's much more rewarding watching a baby crawl, have an accident or two, and draw on the ceiling rather than an 80 year old.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 10, 2023 10:52:43 GMT -5
We literally had to make a thread for people to state what they loved about AEW to counter a lot negativity surrounding them at the time. You just can't say anything bad about AEW, unless you're talking about the women's division still not having focus, the sometimes ultrasloppy last minute builds to PPVs, MJF's material veering way too edgy, guys like Wardlow falling off big time, The Outcasts sucking, Gunn Club winning the tag belts, main event diversity, QTV and if it bogs down Hobbs, how many people aren't being properly utilized, integration and visibility of the Youtube shows in the booking, Rampage not being a meaningful watch, Dynamite being used for ROH programming, Jim Ross's commentary, Tony's treatment of Swole on twitter, Jay Lethal existing literally at all, the size of their roster and Tony's ability to manage it, Tony's struggles to pivot properly, interim champions as a concept, Mogul Affiliates before that got shut down, the handling of Eddie Kingston, the backstage climate last fall, Chris Jericho's endless stories, the fact faces still use sexism for heat, Jade's never-ending push... Really just impossible to ever criticize anything AEW does, everyone's all just hugboxes and handjobs over everything they do.
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