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Post by KME on Apr 13, 2023 9:08:40 GMT -5
There was no point in making this except to add to the unwarranted shitting on of AEW. It's old. Okay, then when is it warranted to shit on AEW? When Tony Khan makes a fool of himself on social media? When wrestlers misbehave? When it feels like there's a blatant glass ceiling and that its possible a talent will never go up in the company no matter how long they're there? When it feels like the company treats shows as inconsequential? Help me out here. ...Genuinely none of those things sound like they're worth shitting on a company for. Like even the word "misbehaving" just makes that sound minor 🤣. The glass ceiling stuff is objective, not everyone deserves a big push just because they've been around a long time, the people on their roster that get the biggest organic reactions have all been pushed, from the likes of Jamie Hayter who was a glorified lackey, to The Acclaimed, did said glass ceiling not exist for them? Shows feeling inconsequential is again barely something to shit on a company for, Dark and Elevation absolutely serve a purpose, Rampage has a bad time slot so understandably doesn't get the attention Dynamite, which never feels inconsequential does. As for the owner on social media...seriously who cares? If he's on there saying seriously damaging stuff, wild conspiracy theories and abuse etc fine, but I'll bet most of it is pretty inoffensive if a bit cringe.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 13, 2023 9:37:10 GMT -5
There was no point in making this except to add to the unwarranted shitting on of AEW. It's old. Okay, then when is it warranted to shit on AEW? When Tony Khan makes a fool of himself on social media? When wrestlers misbehave? When it feels like there's a blatant glass ceiling and that its possible a talent will never go up in the company no matter how long they're there? When it feels like the company treats shows as inconsequential? Help me out here. People shit on Tony Khan all of the time. His tendency to hype announcements, his behavior during the Punk scrum, his on-screen presence, his reaction to Swole, etc People shit on AEW for wrestlers misbehaving all of the time. CM Punk at the scrum, Jeff Hardy being Jeff Hardy, everything FTR Bald says, etc People shit on AEW for not pushing their fave wrestlers all of the time. Miro, any woman not named Britt or Jade, Best Friends/Dark Order not having titles, etc People shit on AEW for inconsequential shows all of the time. Rampage, Battle of the Belts, Dark, etc There are literally examples of every single one of these things on the board right now. The AEW board just has a bigger range of opinions than any of the other boards. If you post a negative opinion, someone is going to have a positive opinion about the same thing. If you post a positive opinion, someone is going to have a negative one. People disagreeing with you are not shutting you down or saying you can't express your opinion. People don't have to agree. If you want a place that is going to be 100% negative (or 100% positive) about AEW, then this board isn't it and I hope it never is.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 13, 2023 11:05:47 GMT -5
Okay, then when is it warranted to shit on AEW? When Tony Khan makes a fool of himself on social media? When wrestlers misbehave? When it feels like there's a blatant glass ceiling and that its possible a talent will never go up in the company no matter how long they're there? When it feels like the company treats shows as inconsequential? Help me out here. People shit on Tony Khan all of the time. His tendency to hype announcements, his behavior during the Punk scrum, his on-screen presence, his reaction to Swole, etc People shit on AEW for wrestlers misbehaving all of the time. CM Punk at the scrum, Jeff Hardy being Jeff Hardy, everything FTR Bald says, etc People shit on AEW for not pushing their fave wrestlers all of the time. Miro, any woman not named Britt or Jade, Best Friends/Dark Order not having titles, etc People shit on AEW for inconsequential shows all of the time. Rampage, Battle of the Belts, Dark, etc There are literally examples of every single one of these things on the board right now. The AEW board just has a bigger range of opinions than any of the other boards. If you post a negative opinion, someone is going to have a positive opinion about the same thing. If you post a positive opinion, someone is going to have a negative one. People disagreeing with you are not shutting you down or saying you can't express your opinion. People don't have to agree. If you want a place that is going to be 100% negative (or 100% positive) about AEW, then this board isn't it and I hope it never is. I mean I don't want to come off as that guy as I think overall the thread has been civil, but the OP hasn't been a part of the discussion since he created the thread so despite having a good discussion that tells me all I need to know about what the reason for starting this thread was. And I'll say what I always say, there's plenty to criticize AEW about and they openly get criticized for. I think there's a lot of good discussion. But the people with criticism that turn this into a whoa is me you can't say anything negative about AEW? Get out of here with that.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 13, 2023 11:34:36 GMT -5
So this is something that sticks out to me about basically any wrestling talk I ever see on the internet: us western fans, on the whole, are way, way, way too conditioned to expect the wrestling we watch to either suck, break our hearts constantly, or do other shit that makes us miserable.
I'm saying this because the term "honeymoon" is weird to me, here; what does it really mean? Does it mean "willfully ignoring any potential flaws and not even engaging in interesting dialog about them"? Does it simply mean "just enjoys the show and thus the not-so-good stuff feels inconsequential to me"? Because if it's the former, yeah, that can be annoying, but I have to think that for most people it's the latter - the show's good to them, so those people like it, and when bad stuff happens they largely feel "that's ok, it'll be followed up by something good."
Because if "the honeymoon ending" means a show is making you angry or miserable, man, just walk away. Seriously, that's not meant insultingly, it's meant as in "do it for your own mental wellbeing". I admit I've never been able to understand people who've stood by and watched a promotion for something like 20+ years without a break; I grew up watching early 90s WWF and stopped watching just a few years in, late 90s WCW and giving up on that after a year and a half, mid-00s ROH and having to walk away from it after a handful of years, plus plenty of times I gave up on TNA for awhile, etc. If something's making you unhappy or you're just kind of getting bored, you owe it to yourself to spend your precious time on things that bring you greater satisfaction.
That said, one can still discuss what makes wrestling interesting as an art form, athletic display, and storytelling medium, which includes analysis and criticism, without it being a miserable experience, too. I don't really watch WWE anymore, haven't for awhile, but I still find discussion about what makes it tick interesting, and I can be involved in those conversations (within limits, I can't comment on everything that happens on air if I'm not watching it) without coming off as really unhappy or whatever about the show because, hey, I'm not really watching it, so it's not making me unhappy!
But if a promotion is entertaining me and keeping my attention, then yeah, I'm mostly going to be positive about it, because the only reason I'm still watching it is, well, uh, I enjoy it. I keep watching and talking about NJPW because it's my favorite promotion; I keep watching and talking about AEW because I find it entertaining. So if that means it's a "honeymoon period" then, uh, sure? I guess?
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Post by Cyno on Apr 13, 2023 14:33:25 GMT -5
There's a difference between healthy criticism and just being a black hole of negativity. If you ever find yourself on the latter side of things, whether that's WWE, AEW, Impact, New Japan, or anything else, really consider a clean break if only for your own sake.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 15:43:45 GMT -5
There's a difference between healthy criticism and just being a black hole of negativity. If you ever find yourself on the latter side of things, whether that's WWE, AEW, Impact, New Japan, or anything else, really consider a clean break if only for your own sake. Well, considering that all I ever do is complain at this point, I feel like that's a valid thing to do. Don't really plan on ever coming back here a third time for my own sanity.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 13, 2023 16:33:16 GMT -5
There's a difference between healthy criticism and just being a black hole of negativity. If you ever find yourself on the latter side of things, whether that's WWE, AEW, Impact, New Japan, or anything else, really consider a clean break if only for your own sake. Yeah like there's people I'll have constructive criticisms talk about AEW. You don't like something? Cool, let's talk about what can make it better and if you don't like it still no worries. I've seen had fun riffing on crappy wrestling with people too no biggie. But I've also seen people go off on things, that I've had to ask "you seem to hate everything going on. Why are you watching?" And that goes for TNA back in the day too. Like if you don't like AEW, WWE, whatever cool but if you hate something to the point you're always angry? why?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 13, 2023 16:40:20 GMT -5
Stop doing that shit then No. Discussion forums are for discussion. I gotta be honest of all the people on this board I would even think were going to get some kind of "stop being so negative all the time" reply from someone being overly defensive of something, you were never close to the list. This thread took weird turns.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 13, 2023 17:00:31 GMT -5
The “I’m not allowed to have criticisms” crowd never made sense to me. Considering it seems like the last several months, maybe even before the Punk Scrum, this place seemed to have mostly negative threads. And people on Reddit will put on that same act, “Oh this Sub Reddit is clearly pro AEW!” And I’m like “WTF are you talking about?”
Are there people who are over zealous when trying to defend AEW? Most definitely. But I’ve never seen anyone not allowed to criticize. I do wish both sides of the argument would have thicker skin, me included. Because it’s not worth the drama. It’s f***ing pro wrestling. It’s not worth having multiple threads locked because no one can defend their arguments without making everything a big deal.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Apr 15, 2023 10:20:52 GMT -5
I felt like it ended with the Covid era. The fact they survived that and came out of it as well as they did is a massive accomplishment
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Post by Cyno on Apr 16, 2023 11:48:20 GMT -5
*points to the doom posting in the CM Punk thread*
If it wasn't over already, it certainly is now.
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Post by r. on Apr 17, 2023 0:03:47 GMT -5
There was no point in making this except to add to the unwarranted shitting on of AEW. It's old. Okay, then when is it warranted to shit on AEW? When Tony Khan makes a fool of himself on social media? When wrestlers misbehave? When it feels like there's a blatant glass ceiling and that its possible a talent will never go up in the company no matter how long they're there? When it feels like the company treats shows as inconsequential? Help me out here. For me: 0/10 Bret Hart: 4/10
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 17, 2023 7:53:14 GMT -5
*points to the doom posting in the CM Punk thread* If it wasn't over already, it certainly is now. And I think it's worth saying this too. There's no problem in not liking or supporting the idea of Punk returning. The issue I've noticed with AEW is that with AEW a lot of people go to the Doomsday scenario of something being the downfall of the company and also explaining why WWE would never do something that AEW is doing... when most of the time WWE has done similar things or worst. And that's not to make it a WWE bad AEW good thing, it's just something I've noticed happen quite often.
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Post by neilc on Apr 17, 2023 11:08:16 GMT -5
People shit on Tony Khan all of the time. His tendency to hype announcements, his behavior during the Punk scrum, his on-screen presence, his reaction to Swole, etc People shit on AEW for wrestlers misbehaving all of the time. CM Punk at the scrum, Jeff Hardy being Jeff Hardy, everything FTR Bald says, etc People shit on AEW for not pushing their fave wrestlers all of the time. Miro, any woman not named Britt or Jade, Best Friends/Dark Order not having titles, etc People shit on AEW for inconsequential shows all of the time. Rampage, Battle of the Belts, Dark, etc There are literally examples of every single one of these things on the board right now. The AEW board just has a bigger range of opinions than any of the other boards. If you post a negative opinion, someone is going to have a positive opinion about the same thing. If you post a positive opinion, someone is going to have a negative one. People disagreeing with you are not shutting you down or saying you can't express your opinion. People don't have to agree. If you want a place that is going to be 100% negative (or 100% positive) about AEW, then this board isn't it and I hope it never is. I mean I don't want to come off as that guy as I think overall the thread has been civil, but the OP hasn't been a part of the discussion since he created the thread so despite having a good discussion that tells me all I need to know about what the reason for starting this thread was. And I'll say what I always say, there's plenty to criticize AEW about and they openly get criticized for. I think there's a lot of good discussion. But the people with criticism that turn this into a woe is me you can't say anything negative about AEW? Get out of here with that. I haven't posted more because I said my piece and there was nothing more to add. I enjoy AEW, but have started enjoying WWE and especially NXT more the past few months. I just find there's more people in AEW I just don't care about or want to see and I'm tired of some dream matches that come off as TK playing with his action figures when you have guys sitting in catering doing nothing. I know people have different tastes and all, but I'm shocked when I see a Dynamite that I thought was mediocre get 9 and 10 reviews. Doesn't mean I still won't watch and enjoy most of the show. Plus, I don't post a lot period, so don't think it's a hit-and run job. Every company has this (I don't see the purpose of Von Wagner in NXT, I'm tired of the Miz and Impact needs to stop trying to make the Design a thing.), but it seems lately IMHO there's more AEW stuff that makes me roll my eyes.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 17, 2023 11:11:50 GMT -5
I mean I don't want to come off as that guy as I think overall the thread has been civil, but the OP hasn't been a part of the discussion since he created the thread so despite having a good discussion that tells me all I need to know about what the reason for starting this thread was. And I'll say what I always say, there's plenty to criticize AEW about and they openly get criticized for. I think there's a lot of good discussion. But the people with criticism that turn this into a woe is me you can't say anything negative about AEW? Get out of here with that. I haven't posted more because I said my piece and there was nothing more to add. I enjoy AEW, but have started enjoying WWE and especially NXT more the past few months. I just find there's more people in AEW I just don't care or want to see and I'm tired of some dream matches that come off as TK playing with his action figures when you have guys sitting in catering doing nothing. I know people have different tastes and all, but I'm shocked when I see a Dynamite that I thought was mediocre get 9 and 10 reviews. Doesn't mean I still watch. Plus, I don't post a lot period, so don't think it's a hit-and run job. Every company has this (I don't see the purpose of Von Wagner in NXT, I'm tired of the Miz and Impact needs to stop trying to make the Design a thing.), but it seems lately IMHO there's more AEW stuff that makes me roll my eyes. One thing I often say is that AEW definitely lost some of its Soul especially when the big names from "outside" came in.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 17, 2023 12:05:42 GMT -5
Ooooh, it’s been over for a while, lmaoo. That’s why you got TK talking about a brand split (“let’s renew our vows, that’ll bring back the spark!”)
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 17, 2023 13:06:28 GMT -5
Ooooh, it’s been over for a while, lmaoo. That’s why you got TK talking about a brand split (“let’s renew our vows, that’ll bring back the spark!”) No one's actually talking about a Brand Split officially are we? Like Zarian's been the only dude saying there could be one.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 17, 2023 13:08:54 GMT -5
Ooooh, it’s been over for a while, lmaoo. That’s why you got TK talking about a brand split (“let’s renew our vows, that’ll bring back the spark!”) No one's actually talking about a Brand Split officially are we? Like Zarian's been the only dude saying there could be one. I don't even think it's gonna be an official brand split and more of a soft one. Like more to give International and TV title more breathing room kind of thing
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 17, 2023 13:14:40 GMT -5
No one's actually talking about a Brand Split officially are we? Like Zarian's been the only dude saying there could be one. I don't even think it's gonna be an official brand split and more of a soft one. Like more to give International and TV title more breathing room kind of thing Yeah and the roster needs that Like this roster is so big they need this show even if CM Punk doesn't exist, there are so many talents who deserve a spotlight on a Dynamite level focused show for storyline purposes and the ability to allow for more angles Like there are over a dozen guys and girls you could name that aren't on Dynamite extremely consistently, that would greatly benefit from this, and likely giving titles like the TBS, TNT, and International titles more of a feature is always a good thing for the upper/middle cards below the world title, which I think will have storylines carry through both brands like the Tag, Trios, and Womens
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 17, 2023 13:25:53 GMT -5
Ooooh, it’s been over for a while, lmaoo. That’s why you got TK talking about a brand split (“let’s renew our vows, that’ll bring back the spark!”) No one's actually talking about a Brand Split officially are we? Like Zarian's been the only dude saying there could be one. A lot of the reporter types have been discussing a kind of soft split where some guys you see predominantly on one show or the other and some guys just float back and forth.
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