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Post by Corporate H on Feb 23, 2007 1:19:16 GMT -5
Thank God. I really hate Hogan and I hope he gets the Savage/Warrior treatment he deserves.
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Post by Mrs. Potato Dick on Feb 23, 2007 1:25:04 GMT -5
hulk hogan lost the WWFE Title to THE UNDERTAKER.
Twice.
Therefore
THE UNDERTAKER>hulk hogan Deal.
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Post by Corporate H on Feb 23, 2007 1:26:22 GMT -5
hulk hogan lost the WWFE Title to THE UNDERTAKER. Twice. Therefore THE UNDERTAKER> hulk hoganDeal. True dat.
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Post by Cousin Judge on Feb 23, 2007 1:49:40 GMT -5
Thank God. I really hate Hogan and I hope he gets the Savage/Warrior treatment he deserves. Oh yeah cause being the biggest draw in wrestling of all time and the biggest individual reason above and beyond any other superstar the reason why WWF is around today is a reason to hate him isn't it. Oh wait...but he burried Vader....yeah, kill him! And people wonder why the WWE usually take no notice of the net fans, we're like the Neo-wing of WWE fans. But as for Hogan not equalling ratings..... Just look at the last two Summerslam's were Hogan was (in the first) the main event and (in the second) certainy as big an advertised draw as anyone on the card. Also interestingly enough Hogan's title reign in 2002 drew an average of 4.4. If that indicates someone which cannot draw then I'm bemused. Also Hogan's appearences on WWE TV in June of 2005 lead to Raw's biggest rating in 15 months. I know that people saying "He can't draw, nobody wants to see him" have a watertight arguement, but the evidence is that they're 100% wrong
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Post by Corporate H on Feb 23, 2007 1:57:12 GMT -5
Thank God. I really hate Hogan and I hope he gets the Savage/Warrior treatment he deserves. Oh yeah cause being the biggest draw in wrestling of all time and the biggest individual reason above and beyond any other superstar the reason why WWF is around today is a reason to hate him isn't it. Oh wait...but he burried Vader....yeah, kill him! And people wonder why the WWE usually take no notice of the net fans, we're like the Neo-wing of WWE fans. But as for Hogan not equalling ratings..... Just look at the last two Summerslam's were Hogan was (in the first) the main event and (in the second) certainy as big an advertised draw as anyone on the card. Also interestingly enough Hogan's title reign in 2002 drew an average of 4.4. If that indicates someone which cannot draw then I'm bemused. Also Hogan's appearences on WWE TV in June of 2005 lead to Raw's biggest rating in 15 months. I know that people saying "He can't draw, nobody wants to see him" have a watertight arguement, but the evidence is that they're 100% wrong I appreciate what he did for wrestling but it's time to let Hogan go. I was never a fan of his so I could careless about him having "one more match". I saw him live, I felt "Hulkamania" and I still think he's a load of crap. Hogan is a no talent hack who got over simply because he had a unique look and a lot of jumbled charisma...oh and being an evil business man who is in everything simply for financial and personal gain.
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Post by angryfan on Feb 23, 2007 2:08:45 GMT -5
Thank God. I really hate Hogan and I hope he gets the Savage/Warrior treatment he deserves. Oh yeah cause being the biggest draw in wrestling of all time and the biggest individual reason above and beyond any other superstar the reason why WWF is around today is a reason to hate him isn't it. Oh wait...but he burried Vader....yeah, kill him! And people wonder why the WWE usually take no notice of the net fans, we're like the Neo-wing of WWE fans. But as for Hogan not equalling ratings..... Just look at the last two Summerslam's were Hogan was (in the first) the main event and (in the second) certainy as big an advertised draw as anyone on the card. Also interestingly enough Hogan's title reign in 2002 drew an average of 4.4. If that indicates someone which cannot draw then I'm bemused. Also Hogan's appearences on WWE TV in June of 2005 lead to Raw's biggest rating in 15 months. I know that people saying "He can't draw, nobody wants to see him" have a watertight arguement, but the evidence is that they're 100% wrong I'll give you the fact that Hogan, historically, was the WWF poster boy, and had tremendous influence (along with McMahon, who marketed him) on the rise of the company to its heights. However, how, pray tell, does what someone did, mean that now that they are semi-retired, they should make more than the current guys who are actually, you know, the focus of the product? Look at this like a boxing card. Ali is one of, if not the, biggest name ever. He's an icon, and him showing up at a boxing match to make an appearance will, in addition to the matches, draw people in. However, does this mean that Ali, based on what he did and who he was and is, should therefor be paid more than the boxers who are actually scheduled to fight that night? Of course not.
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Post by Corporate H on Feb 23, 2007 2:13:22 GMT -5
Oh yeah cause being the biggest draw in wrestling of all time and the biggest individual reason above and beyond any other superstar the reason why WWF is around today is a reason to hate him isn't it. Oh wait...but he burried Vader....yeah, kill him! And people wonder why the WWE usually take no notice of the net fans, we're like the Neo-wing of WWE fans. But as for Hogan not equalling ratings..... Just look at the last two Summerslam's were Hogan was (in the first) the main event and (in the second) certainy as big an advertised draw as anyone on the card. Also interestingly enough Hogan's title reign in 2002 drew an average of 4.4. If that indicates someone which cannot draw then I'm bemused. Also Hogan's appearences on WWE TV in June of 2005 lead to Raw's biggest rating in 15 months. I know that people saying "He can't draw, nobody wants to see him" have a watertight arguement, but the evidence is that they're 100% wrong I'll give you the fact that Hogan, historically, was the WWF poster boy, and had tremendous influence (along with McMahon, who marketed him) on the rise of the company to its heights. However, how, pray tell, does what someone did, mean that now that they are semi-retired, they should make more than the current guys who are actually, you know, the focus of the product? Look at this like a boxing card. Ali is one of, if not the, biggest name ever. He's an icon, and him showing up at a boxing match to make an appearance will, in addition to the matches, draw people in. However, does this mean that Ali, based on what he did and who he was and is, should therefor be paid more than the boxers who are actually scheduled to fight that night? Of course not. Exactly.
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Post by Hemmeorrhage on Feb 23, 2007 2:18:13 GMT -5
This Hogan thing is really so nonsensical it makes me sick. It would be like if the Chicago Bears decided that they wanted another QB for the superbowl other than Rex Grossman. They call Jim Mcmahon who clears waivers obviously. Jim is about to sign a contract to play in the superbowl at 50 years old(or whatever), but tried to hold out for 80 percent of the revenue from the game. I think not. The WWE and Hogan should have a mutual agreement in place that thanks each other for what they bring to the table. The WWE appreciates that Hogan has made the company a lot of money in the past and can still bring in additional revenue. Hogan should appreciate the fact that he can pop up at will for a few weeks at a time and use valuable TV time to promote himself/daughter and make a bunch of easy money participating in a ten minute match that is carried by his opponent. Hogan should appreciate the fact that the WWE allows him to be in a main event match even though he is a physical wreck. How many other "legends" get the same courtesy?
Sorry. Unless Vince was trying to get Hogan to work for say less than $50,000 bucks, I side with Vince.
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Post by HRH The KING on Feb 23, 2007 2:21:36 GMT -5
Vince was right.
I could do without WrestleMania and Hogan hobbling down the aisle.
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Post by HoagieWithPastrami on Feb 23, 2007 2:56:19 GMT -5
Once and for all, here's the deal with Hogan (who I admit, I do enjoy):
He was the biggest wrestling star ever in the 80s. He made Vince a truckload of money, and enabled Vince to grow the WWF well into the 90s.
However, he did not save WCW. When he was a face WCW was still garbage and no one liked it. The NWO as a whole saved WCW. Hogan turning heel created intrigue in the NWO which helped it become as popular as it was, but Hall and Nash and Bischoff played equal roles in that success.
Hogan had nothing to do with the Attitude Era. No one really even cared about the guy too much back then. People were honestly mostly just intrigued by wrestlers that swore and drank beer on camera and chicks with big boobs. That drew them in, sad to say. But once drawn in, the fans stayed and attracted more.
Probably the only hand Hogan had in the Attitude Era was making Vince enough loot in the 80s to keep his company afloat through the lean mid-90s to get to the late-90s Attitude Era.
Finally, during Hogan's 1st comeback he did pass the torch. He jobbed to Rocky AND to Kurt Angle (via submission no less!!!!), and to Brock Lesnar (I think after the Lesnar job he blew a fuse due to his brain not being able to process doing jobs). Since then, yes I admit he has been reluctant to job to guys.
And no, I don't think he deserved the truckload of cash for WM that he wanted. He didn't bring in jack-squat for ratings on SNME last Summer anyways.
So, what we have here are two RIDICULOUS Hogan marks, who look and sound pretty dumb.
However, there are a lot of people here unwilling to give the Hulkster credit for the good stuff he's done too. I'm just offering unbiased opinion here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2007 3:01:32 GMT -5
Once and for all, here's the deal with Hogan (who I admit, I do enjoy): He was the biggest wrestling star ever in the 80s. He made Vince a truckload of money, and enabled Vince to grow the WWF well into the 90s. However, he did not save WCW. When he was a face WCW was still garbage and no one liked it. The NWO as a whole saved WCW. Hogan turning heel created intrigue in the NWO which helped it become as popular as it was, but Hall and Nash and Bischoff played equal roles in that success. Hogan had nothing to do with the Attitude Era. No one really even cared about the guy too much back then. People were honestly mostly just intrigued by wrestlers that swore and drank beer on camera and chicks with big boobs. That drew them in, sad to say. But once drawn in, the fans stayed and attracted more. Probably the only hand Hogan had in the Attitude Era was making Vince enough loot in the 80s to keep his company afloat through the lean mid-90s to get to the late-90s Attitude Era. Finally, during Hogan's 1st comeback he did pass the torch. He jobbed to Rocky AND to Kurt Angle (via submission no less!!!!), and to Brock Lesnar (I think after the Lesnar job he blew a fuse due to his brain not being able to process doing jobs). Since then, yes I admit he has been reluctant to job to guys. And no, I don't think he deserved the truckload of cash for WM that he wanted. He didn't bring in jack-squat for ratings on SNME last Summer anyways. So, what we have here are two RIDICULOUS Hogan marks, who look and sound pretty dumb. However, there are a lot of people here unwilling to give the Hulkster credit for the good stuff he's done too. I'm just offering unbiased opinion here. This is too brilliant to be real.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 23, 2007 3:50:56 GMT -5
Once and for all, here's the deal with Hogan (who I admit, I do enjoy): He was the biggest wrestling star ever in the 80s. He made Vince a truckload of money, and enabled Vince to grow the WWF well into the 90s. However, he did not save WCW. When he was a face WCW was still garbage and no one liked it. The NWO as a whole saved WCW. Hogan turning heel created intrigue in the NWO which helped it become as popular as it was, but Hall and Nash and Bischoff played equal roles in that success. Hogan had nothing to do with the Attitude Era. No one really even cared about the guy too much back then. People were honestly mostly just intrigued by wrestlers that swore and drank beer on camera and chicks with big boobs. That drew them in, sad to say. But once drawn in, the fans stayed and attracted more. Probably the only hand Hogan had in the Attitude Era was making Vince enough loot in the 80s to keep his company afloat through the lean mid-90s to get to the late-90s Attitude Era. Finally, during Hogan's 1st comeback he did pass the torch. He jobbed to Rocky AND to Kurt Angle (via submission no less!!!!), and to Brock Lesnar (I think after the Lesnar job he blew a fuse due to his brain not being able to process doing jobs). Since then, yes I admit he has been reluctant to job to guys. And no, I don't think he deserved the truckload of cash for WM that he wanted. He didn't bring in jack-squat for ratings on SNME last Summer anyways. So, what we have here are two RIDICULOUS Hogan marks, who look and sound pretty dumb. However, there are a lot of people here unwilling to give the Hulkster credit for the good stuff he's done too. I'm just offering unbiased opinion here. Well said.
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Post by WarriorWarrior on Feb 23, 2007 8:15:46 GMT -5
Oh yes he did. As I said he wasn't champion long enough to see if the ratings would go back up, (I'm sure they would have) but HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is the man that stopped the ratings tailspin. Why dont you just go away?
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Post by ellisdee on Feb 23, 2007 8:23:32 GMT -5
Big up to Vince.
I hate Hogan.
How awful would that company be if he went through with it.
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Post by salTy on Feb 23, 2007 9:37:28 GMT -5
Oh yes he did. As I said he wasn't champion long enough to see if the ratings would go back up, (I'm sure they would have) but HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is the man that stopped the ratings tailspin. You know what? Hulk Hogan sucks!
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Post by Mark4HBK on Feb 23, 2007 12:17:35 GMT -5
Could it be that Vince is not the [expletive of your choice] the IWC thinks he is?
As for Hogan running his own promotion ... how many people does he really think he can sign to job to his Legdrop of Doom on a weekly basis? (C'mon - do you really think he'll do anything besides book himself on top?)
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Post by krazysane on Feb 23, 2007 12:37:10 GMT -5
i watched hogan as a kid, and im now getting tired of seeing him. Hes getting annoying.
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Post by amsiraK on Feb 23, 2007 12:41:38 GMT -5
I swear by all that's holy... if I see one more name capitalized I'mma start swingin' the ban-stick. E-freakin'-nough.
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Post by The Boss on Feb 23, 2007 14:27:36 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why it's Wrong for Hogan to NOT JOB to the current roster? What has ANYONE done thats worthy of Hogan passing the torch??? How about not be in his 50's? I'm sorry, but I'm 26 years old and both of my knees are shot, but I guaran-damn-tee that I could at least go neck-and-neck with a moderately-athletic 50-something-year-old guy. In his 50s or not HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is still 6'7", 300lbs and he's still strong as an ox. On top of that, considering how dominent HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN was in his prime, it's very logical that he could still content for the title today.
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Post by MGH on Feb 23, 2007 14:35:48 GMT -5
I swear by all that's holy... if I see one more name capitalized I'mma start swingin' the ban-stick. E-freakin'-nough. Well, looks like you have your chance now.
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