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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Oct 15, 2007 3:19:41 GMT -5
This show was what TNA PPVs should be, and surprising as hell considering the reported backstage turmoil/power plays headed in. Great atmosphere, great matches, nobody was beat over the head with overbooking.
Joe-Christian was very, very good, felt like a classic 1989 NWA Flair-type match to me. Easily the best Christian Cage singles match I've ever seen. Angle-Sting was surprisingly good (never been a huge Sting fan), and FAR surpassed my expectations, even with the run-ins. The TNA Knockouts match, XXX-LAX, AJ/Tomko-Team Pacman, and Lethal-Daniels were solid work, and Steiners-Team 3D was fun for what it was (and the Steiners rightfully went over).
Thumbs up. Just my opinion, but this show was as close as a "10" you can get nowadays in mainstream American wrestling. Maybe the standards for mainstream wrestling have gotten low (due to TNA and WWE screwing up), but this was a really cool show, and very fun to watch. I'd put that three hours of wrestling against almost anything else around right now. Workrate-wise, it isn't ROH or NOAH, but for once, TNA finally looked like a major alternative to WWE (even if they're a long ways away). For once, TNA could put every match on their show (even "Fight For the Right" after the first stage) head-to-head against anything Vince ever offers, and say that it's better. Even on a night where we saw Amazing Kong's exposed upper half and Kurt Angle accidentally hit Sting in the face as hard as he could with a real baseball bat, TNA's wrestlecrap quotient was at a minimum.
BFG seemed almost as if TNA finally decided it was as sick of it sucking as the rest of us are. With the talent TNA has, they can get better than BFG, but it was definitely a step in the right direction.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Oct 11, 2007 4:12:44 GMT -5
She reminds me of that fat white comedian lady on Comedy Central who loves black dudes, Lisa whateverhernameis Lisa Lampanelli. Good call. I was gonna say she looked like Larry Sweeney in drag.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Oct 4, 2007 1:21:40 GMT -5
We know that Vince stole top stars/draws from every territory, and even outbid them for their own familiar TV spots in the market, and if he couldn't he'd go head-to-head with them in the TV timeslot.
But it was hard for the NWA promoters around the country to call in favors all the time with Crockett for super house shows, because he had his own territory to run seven nights a week, and Vince was running three different crews that were criss-crossing the country. Vince also started arena "exclusivity" in each area, meaning that even if Don Owen wanted to run the old 10,000+ seat Rose Garden in Portland, Vince would've bullied him out of said arena (though that's hypothetical, because WWF wouldn't run Oregon because their commission actually drug tested, but still).
Very predatory business tactics by Vinny Mac. Kind of weird that this is the same guy who (and only ten years later) pulled the whole "woe is me" whiny attitude when Bischoff got Hogan and Savage and went head-to-head with RAW.
What killed Crockett's business was... 1. Buying UWF and Florida. Two great territories that were drawing dirt. Since those territories weren't drawing live, Crockett basically bought talent for his own shows, talent that Vince would then cherry pick as he pleased. JCP even bought Central States (Missouri), which probably wasn't worth it. 2. Dusty's booking. 3. Vince's deals with the Pay-Per-View companies. Back when Starrcade was a Thanksgiving tradition, Survivor Series was created to kill it. The UWF-NWA booking of Starrcade wouldn't have made a bit of difference because it was the same night as Survivor Series '87, and Titan Sports basically told the PPV carriers that if they chose to air Starrcade instead of Survivor Series, they wouldn't be allowed to carry WrestleMania IV in 1988.
These were the days when you didn't have 80 PPV channels that offered a movie or PPV every moment of the day on cable or satellite. There was one PPV channel per system. Our system didn't carry it, only Survivor Series. My parents couldn't even order Starrcade '87 for me when I was a kid, and I lived 20 minutes away from Greensboro, NC. How messed up was that? Crockett was smurfed on PPV outside of the Southeast. smurfed by Vince. That's why the NWA-UWF Starrcade bombed.
So basically, Crockett had to bail everybody out around the NWA, until he got really strong, and Vince slit the throat of his company at every turn by using very predatory practices. But I don't think Crockett failed, after all, he was the only one left with a company that had enough national TV potential for Ted Turner to buy. Plus, Crockett signed Hulk Hogan to be Wahoo McDaniel's partner against Orton-Slater at the very first Starrcade in 1983, only to have Hogan bow out a week or two before the big event, and show up in WWF one month later. He tried. He wasn't as stubborn and clueless as Verne Gagne.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Oct 5, 2007 0:45:07 GMT -5
I liked all of it. First time I wasn't bored watching 2 consecutive hours of wrestling, TV or PPV in a dog's age. Agreed.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 4, 2007 3:43:36 GMT -5
why does scott hall get choked up near the end For the first of that part, he's talking about Chris & Nancy Benoit. The second part, he's talking about drugs and alcohol.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 1, 2007 21:33:33 GMT -5
Hall's a legend, easily in my top three or four faves. His PWTorch Talk from last year was pretty awesome. This looks like it could be even better.
I hate that they put that teaser in at the end with Hall getting upset. Of course the subjects of Benoit (who he knew since touring Japan with him circa 1989-1990) & Nancy (since he started training in Florida) and his struggles with addiction would make him upset and break down. The stuff where he was in good spirit, showing people a side of Scott Hall we haven't seen looked interesting enough, right?
If RF's gonna be sleazy and use exploitative stuff like that in advertising, they should at least spell "then" correctly.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Oct 3, 2007 12:33:23 GMT -5
That was sweet of him. So what are the odds he'll donate money to the guy he helped paralyze? Dunno, but he's been donating to charities and students since before the guy got paralyzed, and long before TNA needed the PR rub for their Thursday night show. Most NFL players do, and they're heavily encouraged to do so by the league upon entrance.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 19, 2007 3:52:52 GMT -5
Kevin Sullivan ever work in WWF/E I can't find any evidence that he did. When was he in TNA? I don't remember that... Kevin Sullivan was in TNA during the Raven/Sandman feud, I only remember this because he refereed one of their gimmick matches with his shirtless upper body painted with black stripes to look like a referee's shirt. A quick Google search shows that Sullivan worked many WWWF cards as a young babyface in 1975-76 against the likes of Johnny Rodz and Tor Kamata, but damnit, I don't even know if that counts. If Vince Sr.'s era counts, then I guess you can put Sullivan on the list, too...the cards I found took place in the Phildelphia Spectrum, so those were big WWWF shows.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 18, 2007 2:38:16 GMT -5
Road Warrior Hawk.
1993 - ECW Arena: Hawk defeated The Samoan Warrior & Don E. Allen in a "Handicap" match 1994 - ECW Ultimate Jeopardy: Shane Douglas/MrHughes/Public Enemy beat Hawk/Kevin Sullivan/Taz/Terry Funk 2003 - TNA: Vince Russo/Low Ki/Chris Daniels/Elix Skipper defeat Dusty Rhodes/Road Warriors/Jeff Jarrett
(results source: Online World of Wrestling)
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 18, 2007 2:24:50 GMT -5
Did Dory Funk Jr. ever work WCW? Dory Funk, Jr. wrestled Nick Bockwinkel at the first WCW Slamboree in 1993. Still have the VHS copy from Turner Home Entertainment...the match was somewhat shabby, but not entirely shabby.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Oct 2, 2007 6:54:47 GMT -5
SuperBrawl 1991: Pillman-Liger for WCW Lt. Heavyweight Title Halloween Havoc 1996: Rey-Malenko
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 28, 2007 4:06:35 GMT -5
Scott Hall & Kevin Nash during "The Outsiders" days were arguably greater together than any other time when they were singles (and I'm a huge Hall/Razor mark as a worker). A fantastic team. Most of their matches still hold up, too.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 25, 2007 2:42:52 GMT -5
The reason why this was bad is because BG James does a crapty Vince impression. But it wasn't terrible in the context of TNA doing them in the middle of last year's DX "I love cock" shenanigans. I stopped even TiVo-ing RAW during that period. It was brutal. I didn't have a problem with TNA and VKM making fun of WWE when that was going on. Somebody needed to, and it isn't like SNL was going to satirize how crapty those DX skits were. Yeah they were so crappy they made money for the WWE. Meanwhile TNA did an angle with VKM with no payoff that netted them no money. I thought they were crappy. I never said that they didn't make money. I'm in my 20s now, I'm not the audience that they were trying to appeal to with those DX skits. But maybe it's just me, I thought it was lame the first time around...and I was 15. Plus, many more people than I thought 40-year old Shawn and Hunter's juvenile skits were terrible (even their own pal Scott Hall said so in his shoot), or TNA wouldn't have gone out of their way to make fun of them. But yes, DX made people laugh, and for fans like me who rolled their eyes and/or stopped watching, they scored new little DXers out there who thought they were pretty sweet. If you thought that was top notch humor, more power to you, I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. And business was so great last fall compared to where it was in the WWE five years ago that it really paid off in the long run. More importantly, dude, thanks for chiming in yet again just to disagree with whatever I have to say. Awesome! I get it, you and I like different stuff.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 25, 2007 0:00:38 GMT -5
The reason why this was bad is because BG James does a shitty Vince impression. But it wasn't terrible in the context of TNA doing them in the middle of last year's DX "I love cock" shenanigans. I stopped even TiVo-ing RAW during that period. It was brutal.
I didn't have a problem with TNA and VKM making fun of WWE when that was going on. Somebody needed to, and it isn't like SNL was going to satirize how shitty those DX skits were.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 22, 2007 4:17:37 GMT -5
Just for fun, let's look at a few of the giant unnecessary logic holes from just the last few weeks of TNA TV: Why was there a match where the Steiners, who are heels, took on Kurt Angle, who is a babyface, two-on-one, with the stipulation being that if the Steiners won they got five minutes in the ring alone with Karen Angle, who they'd never met before? And why, if Karen was so afraid of having to be in the ring with them for five minutes for God knows what reason if Kurt lost, she came to the building that day in the first place? Why did Karen spend an entire show trying to talk guys into being Kurt's tag team partner, and then, after Sting won the belts with him, the first thing she did was pretend that Sting beat her up and thereby cost her husband the belts? Why, after building up a Kaz/Traci Brooks love affair, did Tomko, a heel, make the save for Traci after Robert Roode was yelling at her? Any why did Tomko making the save for Traci lead to a Robert Roode vs. KAZ match the following Sunday on PPV? Why did Samoa Joe and Matt Morgan get into a pull-apart at the PPV on Sunday, and then on the next TV Joe ran down to make the save for Morgan when he was getting beaten up? Why did Sting say that winning the tag titles earned him a chance at revenge against Team Pacman when they attacked him AFTER he won the belts? Just for fun, since this column was awful... 1. Steiners were faces. Angle was a heel. That's a pretty major mistake to make if Alvarez really pays such close attention to TNA, enough so to gripe about it constantly. 2. Karen Angle pretended Sting beat her up after he was nothing but a choad to her. That started when she offered him a world title shot if he became Kurt's partner. Plus, Sting's usually nice. Karen Angle's generally mean. To oversimplify this, nice people and mean people usually don't get along in real life, and while mixed together, the mean ones often do crapty stuff to the nice ones. 3. Maybe Tomko just doesn't think that a woman should be treated poorly. In kayfabe reality, he's a big tough guy that happened to be hanging around the Impact Zone, watching the show, and he saw a girl being treated poorly. In real life, ever see some heelish putz try and stick up for a girl at a bar when she's been disrespected by another heelish putz, even if there's already a nice guy around who's already trying to protect her? It only happens somewhere on Earth every single night of the week since bars have opened. If you've never been to a bar, this device has been used in roughly 7,000,000 movies and TV shows. 4. Did Joe and Matt Morgan really have a pull-apart? Thought it was more of a face-off that laid the seeds for a possible matchup in the future. You know, a technique that wrestling TV shows and old school wrestling magazine covers have used since the 1950s, to lay the foundation for, "Wouldn't it be cool if those two guys you like would ever square off?". It's pretty much Wrestling Storytelling 101. TNA was laying a foundation with Joe/Morgan. Morgan didn't bite Joe's nose off, choke him with his wrist tape, or even punch him, so thus, they're still capable of having each other's back until they have a real personal issue. 5. Sting said he was basically glad that he won the tag titles, just so he could square off with Team Pacman, so he could exact revenge on them. Team Pacman were the ones who attacked Sting. They did it because they're jerks. Sting had no beef with them otherwise. Team Pacman gave Sting a motive to not just beat them, but kick their ass, and he pretty much stated that. For instance, if you went down to the local park this weekend to play strangers in flag football, you'd want to win. Sure, you're human. But, before the game, if you knew that the strangers you were playing also just turfed your lawn by doing donuts with their dad's beat-up Camaro, you'd be even madder. You might even want revenge on them. Gosh darnit, this Bryan Alvarez really needs to take a break from wrestling, because he's starting to lose his grasp on everyday human motivation...or at least how it fits into a wrestling show. Damnit, TNA doesn't even make sense, but most of his complaints are weak. In conclusion, at least the web editors at The Fight Network saw fit to take out the ALL CAPZ!!! and other weak parts of Alvarez's writing. Still, it's theft if they actually paid him for this column on major logic holes, which ironically, is full of major logic holes. Also, columns filled entirely with questions as the main points are very "high school newspaper". Columnists shouldn't be paid to ask the questions, especially if they think the questions are so blatantly rhetorical that the audience will just sit there and nod along. From a writing standpoint, this column was roughly the 500-word equivalent of going on a message board and going, "OMGZ, AM I RIGHT GUYZ~!?!?!?!!!!".
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 24, 2007 23:48:39 GMT -5
I don't think five matches in two hours sounds all that bad. If they were just doubling up on stuff, they would've had at least six matches, possibly seven or eight.
Plus, "Eric Young wins a gauntlet" doesn't sound very exciting to me, but I assume there's some pretty fast-paced action and cool spots that showcase their young and unique talent.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 22, 2007 21:54:22 GMT -5
My first exposure to Necro Butcher was some deathmatch highlight video of him on YouTube. After watching that, I was turned off, and kind of felt sorry for someone who'd put themselves through that kind of physical torture to entertain seemingly twenty-five people at an outdoor garbage wrestling show. I could get that he enjoys it, but it seemed like a very high-risk/low reward style of career path.
A while back, out of curiosity, I checked out one of the Joe-Butcher matches. I was impressed. That led me to check out Necro Butcher's matches with Low Ki and Roderick Strong. Impressed again. From a first impression standpoint, he oozes "backyard garbage yard-tard", but he is more than that. The guy has a clue how to entertain by kicking ass and getting his ass kicked.
In fact, I'd go so far as say he's in the very top echelon of today's indy guys that could translate to national TV and get over pretty quick. Mind you, that's without the light-tubes, barbed wire, and the plunder. WWE goes to great lengths to identify talent, sign it, develop it, and try to find a "look" and "character" that will pique the interest of their audience. How many times have guys like Jesse & Festus been repackaged in developmental? Seems like a ton.
However, next week, you could trot Necro Butcher out on RAW or Smackdown as-is, and the audience, ages 3-70, would immediately know what kind of character they're seeing: A crazy, dangerous, demented heel. He's the guy you don't want to see late at night if you're walking through an empty parking lot to your car. Snitsky just isn't that guy no matter how brown you make his teeth. Necro exudes an aura of authenticity that writers can't bring to a character on paper. He might be a little too authentic for some, which is partly why there's a heavily divisive tone on this thread. I used to think the guy was a talentless bum, too.
Not saying he'll main-event Wrestlemania one day, but I can see Necro Butcher having a run in a few years in WWE, if he's easy to deal with backstage. He's no Mick Foley, but reminds me of Cactus Jack in his very earliest WCW lower-card days. You didn't need to have ever see Cactus cut a promo, or drop an elbow off the apron. Throw his face on TV, the audience immediately senses he's bat-crap crazy. That's a great, money-making trait to have if you're a wrestler, even if it draws a small semblence of smark hate in 2007.
If I were TNA, I would've signed him to play Mitchell's new guy before I would've signed Ricky Banderas. On that roster, I believe that Butcher has a wider variety of opponents that he can have good matches with than Banderas does.
In conclusion, he's good.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 22, 2007 4:39:50 GMT -5
So who will do it? I'd say Joe at BFG but no need to push someone who wants to leave TNA So I guess TNA should bury Joe until 2009, because he's not leaving before that.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 19, 2007 20:05:13 GMT -5
The worst part about reading Bryan Alvarez's writing is hearing his whiny voice in my head the entire time. Plus, starting out sentences with "I mean,..." is an example of terrible writing.
Just awful. Third grade stuff. I mean, I'm sorry, but it is. We already know what you mean. That's why you're writing it. Also, CAPITALIZING ENTIRE WORDS all of the time to ACCENTUATE YOUR POINTS is bush league, too. We've all done it on message boards (I do), but it's total amateur hour if you're still doing that in a publication. Professional writers are supposed to make points with their WORDS, not their SHIFT KEY.
I appreciate the first poster taking the time to bring us the newz though.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 18, 2007 1:59:45 GMT -5
ECW should lose votes simply for green-lighting the name "Anarchy Rulz".
EDIT: (I'm sorry, they should "looz" votes)
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