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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Aug 11, 2007 11:47:30 GMT -5
You know what I would really see? A heel female just beating the absolute crap out of a babyface male in some sort of sneak attack.
Although for all other scenarios it all depends on what has built up to it/what its being used to build up to.
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Post by poi zen rana on Aug 11, 2007 11:48:41 GMT -5
yea i would totally love some woman on male violence. some little guy just keeps getting handed by this girl.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 11, 2007 11:58:11 GMT -5
*shrug* It's not any different to me then when they pick on Michael Cole. They're smaller, and sex has little to do with it.
I have no sympathy for anyone(kayfabe wise) who runs into the ring, then gets hurt.
IT'S A WRESTlING RING. Pay attention much?
Female wrestlers who get attacked are getting the exact treatment any wrestler should expect.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Aug 11, 2007 12:26:17 GMT -5
Everyone popped for Viscera annihilating Trish at the end of the (Litav Trish) Kane v Viscera feud
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 11, 2007 12:28:05 GMT -5
Everyone popped for Viscera annihilating Trish at the end of the (Litav Trish) Kane v Viscera feud Because character wise, Vis was sick of being used and abused. It made perfect sense. Hell, the Dudleyz became faces after they got a reputation for powerbombing women through tables.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Aug 11, 2007 12:46:35 GMT -5
Back in the day,their was a match between Jake the Snake and Randy Savage,and some point during the match Jake crosses the line and gives Elizabeth a good smack.
Buddy,Jake got so much heat,I'm surprised no one pulled out a gun and shot him.
Nowadays,everyone cheers for this, because the women are such sluts,that we can no longer feel sorry for them when they get beaten.
Women in wrestling have lost so much of their innocence in the last decade,that it is nigh impossible to show sympathy for them.
The times have changed so much.What happened?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 11, 2007 12:50:45 GMT -5
You know what I would really see? A heel female just beating the absolute crap out of a babyface male in some sort of sneak attack. Although for all other scenarios it all depends on what has built up to it/what its being used to build up to. I think we had that with Chyna, as she feuded with guys like Jarrett and Jericho and did her fair share of attacking.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 11, 2007 12:51:01 GMT -5
I've never understand the hatred towards promiscious women, when Flair gets cheered.
I don't think I hate anyone based on how often they get laid. I do think women, or men, who betray allies should get pay back.
It's the same for me for old tag partners or old valets.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Aug 11, 2007 12:51:12 GMT -5
*shrug* It's not any different to me then when they pick on Michael Cole. They're smaller, and sex has little to do with it. I have no sympathy for anyone(kayfabe wise) who runs into the ring, then gets hurt. IT'S A WRESTlING RING. Pay attention much? Female wrestlers who get attacked are getting the exact treatment any wrestler should expect. It's more about the way women are being used and how/why it's happening. See this: There aren't Sherri's and Liz' anymore, now everyone's a dirty skank, even the faces. All women are portrayed as coniving, cheating bitches at some point, sometimes the faces are. The crowd loves to see sluts get what they deserve. That's true in movies as well, sluta get punished, I remeber that topic during a special about women in horror movies. It's really a symptom of the greater woman-hating culture at large. They love it when we're sluts for them and they can get their rocks off but the minute we act out of line BAM! It's macho culture at it's very best. We get put in our places pretty regularly with physical force in pop culture entertainment.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Aug 11, 2007 12:52:50 GMT -5
I've never understand the hatred towards promiscious women, when Flair gets cheered. . It's the simple age-old doulbe standard. The woman player is a hated dirty slut and the man player is much cheered and an idol. I love double standards as you can tell. Love them to death.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 11, 2007 12:54:42 GMT -5
I've never understand the hatred towards promiscious women, when Flair gets cheered. . It's the simple age-old doulbe standard. The woman player is a hated dirty slut and the man player is much cheered and an idol. I love double standards as you can tell. Love them to death. You sure that Flair being one of the best showman in wrestling has anything to do with it?
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Aug 11, 2007 12:54:45 GMT -5
I've never understand the hatred towards promiscious women, when Flair gets cheered. I don't think I hate anyone based on how often they get laid. I do think women, or men, who betray allies should get pay back. It's the same for me for old tag partners or old valets. I think that if a male wrestler betrays his female valet/manager/ally he should get pwned by her. But that rarely happens when the chick is a face.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Aug 11, 2007 12:55:36 GMT -5
It's the simple age-old doulbe standard. The woman player is a hated dirty slut and the man player is much cheered and an idol. I love double standards as you can tell. Love them to death. You sure that Flair being one of the best showman in wrestling has anything to do with it? But still, in life outside of wrestling the same thing happens even if the woman is a highly accomplished person the standard joe playa on the street is still WAY more respected than her.
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Post by Freakzilla on Aug 11, 2007 12:56:27 GMT -5
Since I know in my head that all wrestling is staged and not real, it doesn't bother me if the woman who gets the beating is a heel. Same in real life, whilst nine times out of ten I think it is wrong to hit a woman, if a woman hits a man or physically abuses him then I see nothing wrong with returning the favour in kind. If that makes me evil for thinking that then so be it.
Things like a face Stone Cold stunnering a woman for simply turning down a beer would bother me somewhat, I think that does send out a bad image.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 11, 2007 12:57:29 GMT -5
I've never understand the hatred towards promiscious women, when Flair gets cheered. I don't think I hate anyone based on how often they get laid. I do think women, or men, who betray allies should get pay back. It's the same for me for old tag partners or old valets. I think that if a male wrestler betrays his female valet/manager/ally he should get pwned by her. But that rarely happens when the chick is a face. Or she could just get another wrestler to help her get revenge as there'd be no money in say..a Candice Michelle vs. Edge or a Kennedy, but if she were to befriend a face like Jeff Hardy then it would be worth watching.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Aug 11, 2007 13:03:29 GMT -5
I think that if a male wrestler betrays his female valet/manager/ally he should get pwned by her. But that rarely happens when the chick is a face. Or she could just get another wrestler to help her get revenge as there'd be no money in say..a Candice Michelle vs. Edge or a Kennedy, but if she were to befriend a face like Jeff Hardy then it would be worth watching. That's exactly what I'm saying but rarely is the revenge soley on her behalf. It's always about the other guy's beef and she's helping him. There are few "hits" in wrestling organized by a face woman, cause good girls just leave it be. You can see "good girl" "bad girl" behaviour in wrestling.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 11, 2007 13:05:36 GMT -5
Or she could just get another wrestler to help her get revenge as there'd be no money in say..a Candice Michelle vs. Edge or a Kennedy, but if she were to befriend a face like Jeff Hardy then it would be worth watching. That's exactly what I'm saying but rarely is the revenge soley on her behalf. It's always about the other guy's beef and she's helping him. There are few "hits" in wrestling organized by a face woman, cause good girls just leave it be. You can see "good girl" "bad girl" behaviour in wrestling. That'll never happen, and it wouldn't get over well. Because since she was the one who was betrayed or whatever she'd have to be the one to get revenge against that heel wrestler, and there's no money in that sort of feud. Probably good for a Raw or something, but nothing too drawn out, just wouldn't be believable enough. Unless she was man-like such as Chyna.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Aug 11, 2007 13:10:38 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm saying but rarely is the revenge soley on her behalf. It's always about the other guy's beef and she's helping him. There are few "hits" in wrestling organized by a face woman, cause good girls just leave it be. You can see "good girl" "bad girl" behaviour in wrestling. That'll never happen, and it wouldn't get over well. Because since she was the one who was betrayed or whatever she'd have to be the one to get revenge against that heel wrestler, and there's no money in that sort of feud. Probably good for a Raw or something, but nothing too drawn out, just wouldn't be believable enough. Unless she was man-like such as Chyna. Yeah, that's the heart of the issue. Women who aren't buff machines are on such an unequal playing field. And that's the case some people were making for it being wrong. In wrestling, women are on the same unequal playing field as we are on in real life. If a heel does something to a face woman she can't do anything back, it wouldn't get over well. There's no money in it, for various reasons including people not giving half as much a damn about the women as they do the men and it wouldn't make much sense. Fantasy or not, it's still an unequal field. It's like nature's practical joke on women. . ..besides having a period.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 11, 2007 13:12:29 GMT -5
Lita had credibility as being able to hold her own, hence why she beat Spike clean in a match, and always managed to help even the tides when the Hardyz needed help.
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Post by samachine on Aug 11, 2007 13:15:18 GMT -5
It's the simple age-old doulbe standard. The woman player is a hated dirty slut and the man player is much cheered and an idol. I love double standards as you can tell. Love them to death. You sure that Flair being one of the best showman in wrestling has anything to do with it? Get out of here with that logic.
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