Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 12, 2007 8:04:09 GMT -5
Maybe it is and maybe it's not, but still it's not like it's not that obvious to see. Women's matches are put on usually as pissbreaks/popcorn breaks to calm the fans down after a huge match. I don't have to like it to know that, and that's just an observation I'm making. I don't think there's money in it, because the crowds for the most part don't care all too much. Not just me who thinks this, just that the crowds mostly care for the men and want to see that more than any women's match that's put on. It's a novelty really. Hence my above sentiments about how womens' divisions and womens' showcases aren't good for womens' wrestling. If that's all you've seen then of course you'll never be able to see it any other way. This isn't about wheter you like it or not, this is about what you're conditioned to and you've proven that it accounts for a lot. Quoting myself: Let's put it this way, if you've only seen womens' wrestling in divisions then of course you don't like it and you never will. Oh, I've seen a few SHIMMER bouts as part of ROH. The most recent I can recall was part of the "Respect Is Earned" Show I attended back in May. It was Daizee Haze vs. Del Ray (I think), and from accounts it was a good showing by both, to be honest I didn't care. They do their part and work hard no question, but I'd rather see the men.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Aug 12, 2007 8:04:50 GMT -5
Hence my above sentiments about how womens' divisions and womens' showcases aren't good for womens' wrestling. If that's all you've seen then of course you'll never be able to see it any other way. This isn't about wheter you like it or not, this is about what you're conditioned to and you've proven that it accounts for a lot. Quoting myself: Let's put it this way, if you've only seen womens' wrestling in divisions then of course you don't like it and you never will. Oh, I've seen a few SHIMMER bouts as part of ROH. The most recent I can recall was part of the "Respect Is Earned" Show I attended back in May. It was Daizee Haze vs. Del Ray (I think), and from accounts it was a good showing by both, to be honest I didn't care. They do their part and work hard no question, but I'd rather see the men. Yeah, I said showcases don't work. I'm talking about a shimmer SHOW, not a showcase match. Please read my edited posts, you're missing the points. And because you don't care your opinion is pretty useless, that's not a personal jab it's just like okay so you don't care. ..what are we supposed to do with that? Nothing but thanks anyway. I mean you don't even care enough to give suggestions for improvement so there's nothing that can be done with that, it's not able to be used for anything.
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Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 12, 2007 8:10:36 GMT -5
Oh, I've seen a few SHIMMER bouts as part of ROH. The most recent I can recall was part of the "Respect Is Earned" Show I attended back in May. It was Daizee Haze vs. Del Ray (I think), and from accounts it was a good showing by both, to be honest I didn't care. They do their part and work hard no question, but I'd rather see the men. Yeah, I said showcases don't work. I'm talking about a shimmer SHOW, not a showcase match. Please read my edited posts, you're missing the points. And because you don't care your opinion is pretty useless, that's not a personal jab it's just like okay so you don't care. ..what are we supposed to do with that? Nothing but thanks anyway. I'm pretty certain one match is good enough, I wouldn't shell out my hard-earned money for an entire show of women's wrestling. Sorry, just not my deal. I really doubt a whole entire card of women's wrestling would sway me. It bores me, and frankly I just see them as a novelty act. Nothing, you're not supposed to do anything,lol. As you're stating your opinion, as am I. You may not necessarily like it. I get you're upset with the current state of how things are, but if you're so serious about it, do something. Take part in it, join up with SHIMMER or one of those promotions or something.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Aug 12, 2007 8:15:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I said showcases don't work. I'm talking about a shimmer SHOW, not a showcase match. Please read my edited posts, you're missing the points. And because you don't care your opinion is pretty useless, that's not a personal jab it's just like okay so you don't care. ..what are we supposed to do with that? Nothing but thanks anyway. I'm pretty certain one match is good enough, I wouldn't shell out my hard-earned money for an entire show of women's wrestling. Sorry, just not my deal. I really doubt a whole entire card of women's wrestling would sway me. It bores me, and frankly I just see them as a novelty act. Nothing, you're not supposed to do anything,lol. As you're stating your opinion, as am I. You may not necessarily like it. I get you're upset with the current state of how things are, but if you're so serious about it, do something. Take part in it, join up with SHIMMER or one of those promotions or something. I think you have to uh... be a wrestler. ...a good one. . .yeaaaahhh. First I have to train, then I have to know people-have connections with a tight knit group. And lastly, I have to be good enough to be booked in Japan and for american women who aren't Del Rey sized it's an impossibility but of course you wouldn't know anything about that because you don't care. There's nothing I can do. The people who can do something are like your opinion, useless. I'm tired of this cop-out why don't YOU? crap. I have like 85 world changing things I have to do in every area because that's always people's cop out bullcrap advice. Eff that pooh just admit the gender bias that consumes this piece of crap world. Then you'll be making a difference for us all. What I'm saying is that your opinion on it not being money it worthless cause you don't care anyway. That's all. I just reasoned it out. People who don't give a damn aren't worth anything in debate on improvement.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 12, 2007 8:25:48 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain one match is good enough, I wouldn't shell out my hard-earned money for an entire show of women's wrestling. Sorry, just not my deal. I really doubt a whole entire card of women's wrestling would sway me. It bores me, and frankly I just see them as a novelty act. Nothing, you're not supposed to do anything,lol. As you're stating your opinion, as am I. You may not necessarily like it. I get you're upset with the current state of how things are, but if you're so serious about it, do something. Take part in it, join up with SHIMMER or one of those promotions or something. I think you have to uh... be a wrestler. ...a good one. . .yeaaaahhh. First I have to train, then I have to know people-have connections with a tight knit group. And lastly, I have to be good enough to be booked in Japan and for american women who aren't Del Rey sized it's an impossibility but of course you wouldn't know anything about that because you don't care. There's nothing I can do. The people who can do something are like your opinion, useless. I'm tired of this cop-out why don't YOU? crap. I have like 85 world changing things I have to do in every area because that's always people's cop out bullcrap advice. Eff that pooh just admit the gender bias that consumes this piece of crap world. Then you'll be making a difference for us all. What I'm saying is that your opinion on it not being money it worthless cause you don't care anyway. That's all. I just reasoned it out. People who don't give a damn aren't worth anything in debate on improvement. Wow, I sense a lot of anger, settle down there,lol. You're right, I don't care about you in particular as I don't know you, just making a reference to what you can do if you are so interested in women's wrestling that's all. If there's a SHIMMER promotion and girls as small as Daizee Haze are in there, then I reckon you could do just fine. The way you make it sound as if it's supposed to be easy to get into wrestling and rather than complain about it endlessly do something. Such as the world we live in, you got to have connections. If Godfather wasn't good friends with Undertaker, we never would've seen him in WWE. Or if Paul Wight wasn't friends with Hogan we never would've seen him either. Of course are there are exceptions, but that's how it is most of the time.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Aug 12, 2007 9:26:19 GMT -5
But at a certain point just being a woman is going to rule you out, why hire a woman when you can hire a man, there's usually only room for 4 women in any company. And I'm smaller than Daizee Haze, I think I'm smaller than Portia. Wrestling is not easy to get into but it's so difficult, I KNOW I CAN"T do it. The only rememdy I've been able to come up with is to erase it from my mind. You know, people never say shit like that to folks who want technical wrestlers to get bigger pushes. I can't make it in wrestling so telling me to go do that if I want a change is so useless, it just makes it worse, it makes me feel like I have to stop watching and burn every wrestling related item I have just to stop caring about it because I can't do anything about how much I like it.
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Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 12, 2007 9:34:33 GMT -5
But at a certain point just being a woman is going to rule you out, why hire a woman when you can hire a man, there's usually only room for 4 women in any company. And I'm smaller than Daizee Haze, I think I'm smaller than Portia. Wrestling is not easy to get into but it's so difficult, I KNOW I CAN"T do it. The only rememdy I've been able to come up with is to erase it from my mind. You know, people never say crap like that to folks who want technical wrestlers to get bigger pushes. I can't make it in wrestling so telling me to go do that if I want a change is so useless, it just makes it worse, it makes me feel like I have to stop watching and burn every wrestling related item I have just to stop caring about it because I can't do anything about how much I like it. Oh well, that's tough luck I guess. If you are referring to me about the technical wrestlers, I don't have a preference really and never said that I wanted to see them get pushed that much. I like bothhosses/technical wrestlers. I love watching ROH, but I'm a huge Hogan/Goldberg mark.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Aug 12, 2007 9:38:16 GMT -5
But at a certain point just being a woman is going to rule you out, why hire a woman when you can hire a man, there's usually only room for 4 women in any company. And I'm smaller than Daizee Haze, I think I'm smaller than Portia. Wrestling is not easy to get into but it's so difficult, I KNOW I CAN"T do it. The only rememdy I've been able to come up with is to erase it from my mind. You know, people never say crap like that to folks who want technical wrestlers to get bigger pushes. I can't make it in wrestling so telling me to go do that if I want a change is so useless, it just makes it worse, it makes me feel like I have to stop watching and burn every wrestling related item I have just to stop caring about it because I can't do anything about how much I like it. Oh well, that's tough luck I guess. If you are referring to me about the technical wrestlers, I don't have a preference really and never said that I wanted to see them get pushed that much. I like bothhosses/technical wrestlers. I love watching ROH, but I'm a huge Hogan/Goldberg mark. I'm not referring to you, I've never noticed you before so I don't know what kind of wrestling you fancy. I'm referring to the majority of the IWC. I'm burning everything except the Spanky tapes, at least I can oogle him and not give a damn about his wrestling [/sarcasm from another thread]
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 12, 2007 11:25:44 GMT -5
Man, a debate forum would be a huge hit here.
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Post by leemir on Aug 12, 2007 11:38:46 GMT -5
I don't know what you are saying here Billy. Is it that you want women to take up as much of the show as men? Cause thats just ludacris.
You want better womans wrestling in WWE? Cause there's a lot of thing I like to be better in WWE too.
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Post by tlsfan on Aug 12, 2007 15:59:12 GMT -5
In real life, its something that I don't like, but in the wrestling world, I enjoy seeing the guys beat the women. I think ECW was the best when it came to that, especially the way Francine sold her beatings to the wrestlers was great
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Post by Freakzilla on Aug 12, 2007 16:25:17 GMT -5
But at a certain point just being a woman is going to rule you out, why hire a woman when you can hire a man, there's usually only room for 4 women in any company. And I'm smaller than Daizee Haze, I think I'm smaller than Portia. Wrestling is not easy to get into but it's so difficult, I KNOW I CAN"T do it. The only rememdy I've been able to come up with is to erase it from my mind. You know, people never say crap like that to folks who want technical wrestlers to get bigger pushes. I can't make it in wrestling so telling me to go do that if I want a change is so useless, it just makes it worse, it makes me feel like I have to stop watching and burn every wrestling related item I have just to stop caring about it because I can't do anything about how much I like it. Oh well, that's tough luck I guess. If you are referring to me about the technical wrestlers, I don't have a preference really and never said that I wanted to see them get pushed that much. I like bothhosses/technical wrestlers. I love watching ROH, but I'm a huge Hogan/Goldberg mark. I have the same attitude as yourself towards wrestling and glad to see that there is people amongst the IWC can enjoy both technical and power/hoss based wrestling. I think there is a bias amongst some of the IWC towards technical wrestling and some do look down their noses at the likes of Goldberg or Warrior etc but I can be entertained as much by them as by Hart or Michaels. If a wrestler entertains me I don't care if he can chain wrestle or put on a technical clinic in the ring. As long as they hold my attention in the ring I don't care.
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Post by RedSmile on Aug 12, 2007 19:13:58 GMT -5
That's true, but she'd never be in there with the top guys like Austin, Trips or Rock. Tag team and matches against Cruiserweights are fine. Of course not, that would be ridiculous booking. But didn't Chyna eliminate a high card guy from the Rumble? Might've been Vince. Actually I think it was Mark Henry
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Aug 12, 2007 19:57:12 GMT -5
Midgets are treated like jokes on WWE too, let's complain about that and most guys in the indies who are phenominal wrestlers will never make it to the big time cause they are "too small." Oh, oh and unless you're a legend, old people never get a chance. What about just average looking joes, they never get a fair chance either!
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