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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Feb 24, 2009 0:29:44 GMT -5
no all im saying is... if hes "moved on" and is a serious Hollywood actor now, then how's come when he came back to do the Hall of Fame, he was going by "The Rock" Because he was appearing on a WWE program. There is a difference between appearing on a WWE program and appearing on a promo during a commercial break on a WWE program. Why does he need to say "HI! Remember me? I use to wrestle here years ago!" It's pointless and adds nothing of value, we already know who he is and what he once was. It's irrelevant and a moot point. At least he's not trying to live his gimmick like a certain orange goblin. I'm not a casual fan and I saw nothing wrong with what Rock did. Just like I don't see anything wrong with Brock Lesnar not proclaiming to the World that he is a former multi-time WWE Champion. It's irrelevant to what he is and does now for a living. Because Hulk Hogan almost NEVER refers to himself as Terry Bollea, unlike Dwayne, Hulk lives his gimmick. He might as well go the Warrior route and legally change his name to Hulk Hogan. Johnson NEVER claimed to be bigger than the business, but guess what? HE IS BIGGER THAN THE BUSINESS. He doesn't need to come back every other year and go over one of the WWE's top talent to stroke his ego for a quick payday. He didn't walk out onto the WWE ramp as Dwayne Johnson, he appeared on a promo during a commercial break. WWE didn't pay him to be The Rock, he was paid by the movie studio to shoot that promo. He is Dwayne Johnson, not The Rock and he doesn't need to give a history of his WWE career. Hmmmm... The Rock has only come back to PUT OTHER PEOPLE OVER. Brock...Goldberg...Evolution...and then the random appearances as a FAVOR, not Rocky crawling on his hands and knees, the other way around...and then to induct his father and grandfather into the HOF. THAT EGOMANIAC!
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Post by majesty on Feb 24, 2009 0:31:02 GMT -5
Good of you to ignore my rebuttal, KoOS.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Feb 24, 2009 0:35:29 GMT -5
lets see if im not mistaken, about everytime he "came back" to put people over.. didnt he have a moving coming up or was about to shoot a movie and didnt we somehow ALWAYS hear about it some way or another?
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Feb 24, 2009 0:43:50 GMT -5
But it's not like this is the first time USA is promoting a movie through Raw. Raw is one of their biggest draws so of course movie companies want to promote their movie during the show. Is it wrong for a commercial starring Michael Jordan to air during an NBA game? Is it wrong for a commercial starring Joe Montana to air during an NFL game? No, it's just smart advertising. I doubt Dwayne went to USA Network and went "OHHHH ADVERTISE MY MOVIE ON RAW, ALL THE MARKS WILL LOVE IT!!!!" The movie company realized he was a former wrestler and wanted to help promote the movie. It's natural marketing and people need to lighten up. You don't get it. He addressed RAW fans in general. And I'm not watching the rest of the network, but somehow I don't think he's coming on during Burn Notice to address "hey, Burn Notice fans! It's me, this guy you probably don't give a excretory matter about!" Of course, it's good advertising! Like I said, WWE isn't paying him to be The Rock, Disney is paying him. He's not "The Rock" to Disney, he's Dwayne Johnson. Unless he was paid by Vince McMahon to shoot that spot, then he has no duty to call himself "The Rock" just to get a pop from a few viewers at home still yearning for the good ol' days. I just think it's silly to cry over something as trivial as to what DWAYNE JOHNSON (his *REAL* name) calls himself. He could call himself Stoney McCharlesdale and he would still be the same guy. But they are RETIRED. They didn't change their profession, well except Michael Jordan, but he went back to basketball in a quick manner. The Rock left the company because he knew he could make more money and stay healthy. Guess what? IT WORKED. Do you expect him to wear a sign that says "LOOK AT ME, I'M A PRO WRESTLER!"? Everyone knows by now that he use to be a wrestler. He's a Hollywood actor now full time. He has said nothing but POSITIVE things about his wrestling career, but has also made it clear that acting is his profession NOW. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Feb 24, 2009 0:45:06 GMT -5
lets see if im not mistaken, about everytime he "came back" to put people over.. didnt he have a moving coming up or was about to shoot a movie and didnt we somehow ALWAYS hear about it some way or another? Because Vince McMahon had an executive credit in his movies, thus getting profit from it? Hmmm interesting, Vince promoting a movie he would be making money off of. Where have I seen that before?
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Feb 24, 2009 0:46:02 GMT -5
until in a few years he comes back to "put people over" and just happens to need the wrestling audience to help his next movie be a success...
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Feb 24, 2009 0:46:48 GMT -5
i thought Vince quit having that credit pretty early on in Rock's career?
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Feb 24, 2009 0:48:38 GMT -5
i thought Vince quit having that credit pretty early on in Rock's career? No, it ended a few years ago. Which is why he stopped showing up on Raw and dropped "The Rock". Using "The Rock" in his movie roles meant that Vince got an executive title in the movies.
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Post by Bauertainments on Feb 24, 2009 0:48:43 GMT -5
And I'll admit, it was awkward seeing on Raw and never once acknowledge that he was The Rock, but as others have said, it's his choice. He called have called himself Uncle Handsome or Tito Frito Bandito if he wanted to.
And also, folks, The Rock, Dwayne Johnson (or whatever his name is now) makes maybe double what he ever made in wrestling and he's no longer at risk of getting crippled because some stupid oaf like Koslov botched a spot.
If that's selling out, hell, I'd sell out right behind him.
Also, it's ridiculous that fans hate him because he left a very dangerous business "Sold Out", but they love somebody like Ken Kennedy(A Liar) and some even still worship Chris Benoit (Child Killer).
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Post by Melissalicious on Feb 24, 2009 0:49:51 GMT -5
I didn't mind him going by his name -- that IS his name after all -- but I can see how some fans might be offended. After all, he WAS advertising his movie following Raw, and it just came off as he'd rather not be associated with WWE if he didn't have to. They used him after Raw to appeal to the Raw audience, whom were likely hoping to see "The Rock" -- not Dwayne Johnson. What was he suppose to do? Go full on promo and do all of his old catchphrases just to appease people who get butt hurt over him deciding to do something else with his life? I said I didn't personally have a problem with it. I understand what business is, how it works. It's all about using fanbases and leaving them in the dust for the greater things for yourself. Were we in his position, I do not doubt for a second that well over half of us would make the same decisions to "sell out" or, more eloquently, move forward with our hypothetical careers. However, I CAN see how others do find it offensive. And it's not even so much about him going on to do other things with his life. It's the fact that he came back to his origins and used the fanbase to promote his movie without making any connection whatsoever. He showed his face on the USA network post-Raw because he knows those fans are going to watch him in hopes they'll see a glimpse of "The Rock." Now, some people are not so naive as to believe that and promptly change the channel once the show is done. But others that still hold out hope that he will remain loyal to fans who are equally loyal CAN and DO feel insulted when he calls THEM OUT ("Hey, Raw fans" or whatever) and names the product that they are invested in, and then nothing comes of it. I'm not saying it's LOGICAL to feel insulted or offended by it. I'm just saying that I can understand WHY people might feel such a way. You don't have to have logic behind every single feeling that rushes through you. Sometimes it's irrational.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Feb 24, 2009 0:51:47 GMT -5
Jericho would have a field day with this topic.
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Post by majesty on Feb 24, 2009 0:56:20 GMT -5
Of course, it's good advertising! Like I said, WWE isn't paying him to be The Rock, Disney is paying him. He's not "The Rock" to Disney, he's Dwayne Johnson. Unless he was paid by Vince McMahon to shoot that spot, then he has no duty to call himself "The Rock" just to get a pop from a few viewers at home still yearning for the good ol' days. No one's asking him to be serving to get a pop out of people, it just seems hypocritical to get pimped via a business he didn't just get out of, but one he strongly distances himself from. It's not just "I wanted to be healthier and happier," he realizes the stigma the business has and has always tried to keep himself well enough out of it. I can see how others can interpret it as hypocritical. It's not that he called himself Dwayne Johnson. No one faulted him for removing "The Rock" from every film he is credited in. It's the fact that he avoids the business almost entirely and wants virtually no connection to it barring when he honored his father and grandfather but he would still use it at the drop of a hat for self-promotion. Come the snork on. You're mostly in the right, but that doesn't take away from the opposing view point having a little bit of validity. You can think it's silly, but you can also get over it. But hey, what to expect from someone who would indict an individual for exiting a car. Jordan got flack when he changed, even before he sucked. The comparison again is completely wrong. Jordan didn't leave the NBA to become a full time opera singer, avoided the sport entirely in the wake of bad publicity, only to reapproach it for publicity to shell out his magnum opus. I'd do the same thing. Who is "everyone" and when can I meet them, sir? But then staying completely silent is "positive" then too, isn't it? I'm not saying it's LOGICAL to feel insulted or offended by it. I'm just saying that I can understand WHY people might feel such a way. You don't have to have logic behind every single feeling that rushes through you. Sometimes it's irrational. Basically what I'm trying to get across, although I'd say there's a bit more rationality than one would let on. Just because you're in the right, KoOS, doesn't mean that it's the only somewhat right answer. Jericho would have a field day with this topic. I'm sure he'd call some of us sycophants "sicko fans."
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Post by Melissalicious on Feb 24, 2009 1:08:11 GMT -5
Basically what I'm trying to get across, although I'd say there's a bit more rationality than one would let on. Just because you're in the right, KoOS, doesn't mean that it's the only somewhat right answer. It doesn't help The Rock that ALOT of the loyalist fans today are people who grew up during the high time of his career. WWE has such a strong and intense fanbase, that alot of people can't see WWE as a stepping stone for most wrestlers. Some people want to do this forever. Some people want a better job and know that WWE can put them into SUCH mainstream exposure. Take almost every single Diva on the roster. Girls like Maria and Kelly Kelly went from winning beauty pageants and doing modelling to becoming WWE Divas? And that was, what, their life goal? No. They want to get somewhere, and this is a REALLY quick way to get yourself known by people. But fans get so, so invested in the product. Most fans have watched since before they could recite their colors. WWE is on the television three times a week, every day of the year, for longer than some of us have been alive. And people watch it religiously. It's hard for them to detatch and see the WWE for more than what it really is.
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Post by The Cool Pup on Feb 24, 2009 1:08:58 GMT -5
What makes people think it was the Rock's decision to time the commercial at that point? Don't you think movie execs know where to find their audiences? Dwayne got paid to do that spot and he's not going to alter a contract deal just so he can say some sort of irrelevant factoid about the wrestling industry in an irrelevant role.
Everyone here owes a ton to the Rock and what he did for this business, don't deny it and the man still cares about the business, he just has a different life to focus on now.
At least he's still around the business in some way, Lesnar is just... nowhere to be found when it comes to that.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Feb 24, 2009 1:09:59 GMT -5
majesty i agree 100% with what u said.
amen brother!
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Feb 24, 2009 1:13:35 GMT -5
no no no no to the poster who said we all owe the rock alot?
We dont owe him anything. Yes he entertained us for years and such, but the rock came along during wrestling BIGGEST peek time ever. It wasnt just the Rock who was huge then, it was Rock, Austin. Mcmahon. Taker, Kane, Dx...helll Billy Freaking Gunn was hella over in the late 90's..... The fans made The Rock
The Fans made the Rocks wreslting career The fans made the Rocks acting Career as well....
As far as I see... Hes was great in the wrestling business during a HOT HOT time.. but what happened when the attitude era started to burn down... so do his popularity.
We dont owe The Rock anything
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Post by majesty on Feb 24, 2009 1:15:24 GMT -5
What makes people think it was the Rock's decision to time the commercial at that point? Don't you think movie execs know where to find their audiences? Dwayne got paid to do that spot and he's not going to alter a contract deal just so he can say some sort of irrelevant factoid about the wrestling industry in an irrelevant role. Everyone here owes a ton to the Rock and what he did for this business, don't deny it and the man still cares about the business, he just has a different life to focus on now. At least he's still around the business in some way, Lesnar is just... nowhere to be found when it comes to that. Then we can be mad at USA or whoever is the intended promoter, and it wouldn't make the argument one bit more or less "silly." It would still also be very much on topic.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Feb 24, 2009 1:15:53 GMT -5
im thankful he was here for his brief period of time, but to say we owe the rock so much is outrageous!
We owe the Undertakers, the Ric flair's, the Steve Austin's...not some former pro football player who only wanted to be famous and used wrestling as a catapult to acheive what he wants ( not thats there is anything wrong with that)
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Feb 24, 2009 1:15:55 GMT -5
It's his name. Why have a problem calling a man by his birth name? That makes no sense. He was Dwayne Johnson long before he was the Rock. I understand both this and the OP's argument. But if he's going to be pandering to wrestling fans, at least give us a freakin eyebrow.
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Post by majesty on Feb 24, 2009 1:17:06 GMT -5
It's his name. Why have a problem calling a man by his birth name? That makes no sense. He was Dwayne Johnson long before he was the Rock. I understand both this and the OP's argument. But if he's going to be pandering to wrestling fans, at least give us a freakin eyebrow. Well yeah. That's one thing you can't trademark.
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