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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2010 0:41:14 GMT -5
I say Bret's the one who doesn't fit Cena vs. Tista even if it already happened is still a dream match Cena vs. Heel Batista? Fresh match uo with good heel/face story between two massive names who actually have history that doesn't date back to there 12301820 one on one matches they've already had
Cena against Batista with the Big Boss backing him as the number one choice? Money and just close enough to Boss vs. Workingman to not be a Austin/McMahon clone yet still draw
Cena representing Bret vs. Batista representing Vince? Stupid It isn't a match between two of the biggest stars settling there history it's a feud between two old men who can barely walk and sure as hell can't walk based off an event that 80% of the audience either doesn't know about or flat out doesn't care about If they wanna do that do something like Kofi or Bourne or MVP vs. Miz or McIntyre or Carlito between two guys who would actually benefit from being on the card and having people care about there match
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 2, 2010 0:59:42 GMT -5
I say Bret's the one who doesn't fit Cena vs. Tista even if it already happened is still a dream match Cena vs. Heel Batista? Fresh match uo with good heel/face story between two massive names who actually have history that doesn't date back to there 12301820 one on one matches they've already had Cena against Batista with the Big Boss backing him as the number one choice? Money and just close enough to Boss vs. Workingman to not be a Austin/McMahon clone yet still draw Cena representing Bret vs. Batista representing Vince? Stupid It isn't a match between two of the biggest stars settling there history it's a feud between two old men who can barely walk and sure as hell can't walk based off an event that 80% of the audience either doesn't know about or flat out doesn't care about If they wanna do that do something like Kofi or Bourne or MVP vs. Miz or McIntyre or Carlito between two guys who would actually benefit from being on the card and having people care about there match I disagree with the 80% part. I think there is still an appeal out there to see a Bret-Vince match, more so with the PPV buying audience which tends to be older then your ticket buying audience. So what are your options 1. Bret vs Vince in some type of gimmick match - Vince is in his mid 60s and Bret has had a stroke. Who knows what kind of bumps they can take. 2. Bret having a representative vs Vince having a representative - We saw this two years ago, and this is still a possibility, but you're still not having Bret in a match. Having Trump and Vince put up their hair is different, because nobody ever paid a dime to see Trump wrestle. His gimmick was his hair. 2a. Now let's say you do go that route, who do you have represent each guy. The Hart Dynasty - As heels they pose no threat(if they double crossed Bret). As faces they're not nearly established enough. They're not even midcarders at this point in time. DX - If you have Vince lead them, then Hart will become the heel, because DX is just over. And I don't think you can have DX fight for Bret, because Shawn Michaels is from around the same time as Bret, and having a guy your own age fighting for you is different then having a younger guy do it. Batista/Cena - Having these guys just as representatives does nothing for anyone. What does having Bret in Cena's corner do for Cena? For Bret? 3. So what is your best bet: McMahon/established heel vs Hart/established face. Why does it work. Bret gets to lace up the boots one more time, which appeals to us old heads. You have the Cena/Batista, who appeals to younger fans. Batista gets the heel rub of working with Vince, which will prevent fans from shitting on Cena.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Feb 2, 2010 1:04:31 GMT -5
The screwjob was in 1997. Unless your what now, at least 20, 21, you really don't have that much personally interested in the angle. Moreover, who knows how much Bret can actually go in the ring at this point. Which is why I'd prefer a one-sided beating of Vince courtesy of Bret Hart. Bret can channel the anger of the older fans over the screwjob AND the stale product lately.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 2, 2010 1:09:09 GMT -5
The screwjob was in 1997. Unless your what now, at least 20, 21, you really don't have that much personally interested in the angle. Moreover, who knows how much Bret can actually go in the ring at this point. Which is why I'd prefer a one-sided beating of Vince courtesy of Bret Hart. Bret can channel the anger of the older fans over the screwjob AND the stale product lately. But you want the angle to last until Wrestlemania. The payoff should be Bret putting Vince in the sharpshooter, and that needs to be held off as much as possible.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 2, 2010 1:10:32 GMT -5
Which is why I'd prefer a one-sided beating of Vince courtesy of Bret Hart. Bret can channel the anger of the older fans over the screwjob AND the stale product lately. But you want the angle to last until Wrestlemania. The payoff should be Bret putting Vince in the sharpshooter, and that needs to be held off as much as possible. And holding it off would make that payoff that much sweeter. Case in point: Mickie James finally getting payback on McCool at the Rumble.
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Post by halliday32 on Feb 2, 2010 1:12:35 GMT -5
If you wanna give someone a push as a blue-collar, great technical wrestler that's been approved by the Best There Is, The Best there was and The Best there ever will be, I think there's a guy down in FCW who goes by the moniker "best wrestler in the world"...
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Feb 2, 2010 1:12:55 GMT -5
It just doesn't seem like Bret can go. I have no doubt Vince can still take a couple big bumps, but if Bret can't go what can they do? I don't exactly see why Batista and Cena should get overshadowed by the Bret/Vince thing. The two can sell a story by themselves. It feels like Goldberg/Lesnar, but without both guys being on their way out the door.
So when you have that why add on a Bret/Vince thing to that story? It will just get cluttered because you'll have the Batista/Cena heat which has nothing to do with Bret/Vince heat and either one will overshadow the other (and with Vince being a part of it his story will take precedent) thus ruining one big storyline or both will get lost in the shuffle of clutter.
I don't know if Bret can go, but if he can't they need to find a better way than to take even a little bit from a perfectly good draw of Cena/Batista.
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on Feb 2, 2010 1:14:35 GMT -5
I guess my question is, with these "representative" matches, what does it solve? If I hate a guy, I want to destroy him with my bare hands. Not "Say old chap, why don't we each pick a wrestler who doesn't care about our long-standing feud, and whoever's man loses will consider himself truly bested and humbled in the worst way!" "I say, good show old boy, you're on!"
Obviously they can't do the hair stipulation again, so what'll it be this tim? Loser kisses Jerry Lawler's stinking unwashed foot?
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Post by Jay Broni on Feb 2, 2010 1:14:35 GMT -5
Whatever keeps Cena away from the title pictures is a match I can agree with.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 2, 2010 1:18:52 GMT -5
I guess my question is, with these "representative" matches, what does it solve? If I hate a guy, I want to destroy him with my bare hands. Not "Say old chap, why don't we each pick a wrestler who doesn't care about our long-standing feud, and whoever's man loses will consider himself truly bested and humbled in the worst way!" "I say, good show old boy, you're on!" Obviously they can't do the hair stipulation again, so what'll it be this tim? Loser kisses Jerry Lawler's stinking unwashed foot? That's why you do a tag match. I think that's the best way to go.
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Post by Stu on Feb 2, 2010 1:19:12 GMT -5
I'm just glad that Bret is back and may actually be at Wrestlemania. And hopefully it'll be a good one. The last time he was at one of these was at Wrestlemania 13. Sure, he was in arguably the best match of that decade, but it was at a mediocre Wrestlemania.
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Post by hypnoticgenes on Feb 2, 2010 1:26:14 GMT -5
Maybe Vince will get his head shaved again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2010 1:27:29 GMT -5
If you wanna give someone a push as a blue-collar, great technical wrestler that's been approved by the Best There Is, The Best there was and The Best there ever will be, I think there's a guy down in FCW who goes by the moniker "best wrestler in the world"... No,No,No they fired Sweet Papi Sanchez
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Feb 2, 2010 1:29:05 GMT -5
I'd rather see Cena vs Batista than Bret vs Vince simply because I know better than to think Bret and Vince can go and put on a worthy WM match. And they have enough time to build Batista's involvement. And, Cena's not gonna be in a title match. this also means more more heel Batista douchery with Vince on the side.
Thumbs up from me.
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Post by diggitydubz on Feb 2, 2010 1:29:32 GMT -5
I just can't get on board with the possiblity of a 'representatives match' either....especially considering Batista and Cena is big enough to stand on its own and as everyone else has mentioned, their involvement does NOT solve the Vince/Bret issue. Hell, it seemed like this was going to be what they built Wrestlemania around...similiar to Hogan/Rock in 2002, when WWE arrogantly ignored building up the rest of the show because Hogan-Rock would sell the show itself. I was holding out hope that Hart still had one match left, or at least, one gimmcik match left and maybe he still does. However, if he's there just to stand in Cena's corner....forget it. A tag team situation might work, but even still....this is disappointing.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 2, 2010 1:52:56 GMT -5
I'm reminded of the Wrestlemania 2000 main event where the McMahon family each "represented" one of the guys in the fatal fourway. It ended up being a bit of a clusterf*** as they were essentially trying to juggle two feuds at once. It's going to take some good storytelling to be able to pull this off me thinks.
That said though...I still like it. Cena/Batista II had to happen at a big stage really, and now that one of them's a heel it could be more interesting than last time.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Feb 2, 2010 1:55:25 GMT -5
This is probably the biggest storyline on Raw atm, WWE will always include their golden boy. Even though he has absolutely nothing to do with the Screwjob. But that promo last week has to lead to something. Bret was Vince's Goldenboy much like Cena is the current goldenboy. The way Bret gets tossed aside is the future that Cena doesn't want. Batista is trying to secure his spot by helping the boss instead of standing up to him. WWE's current biggest stars against each other works for me. The "regular" looking guys like Punk and Jericho are heels, Edge is the main event, HBK would be a bit odd, and well the Hart Dynasty are barely starting to carve out a niche.
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Post by egein on Feb 2, 2010 1:58:19 GMT -5
man thats a bummer..i wanted to see bret vs vince in a street fight.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Feb 2, 2010 2:07:56 GMT -5
Seriously Bret Hart wouldn't be caught dead in denim shorts and basketball sneakers
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Post by hajimenoippo on Feb 2, 2010 2:11:48 GMT -5
Man he rocked that look from '97 all the way up to his Raw guest hosting spot.
Hell I think his last match with Terry Funk, that "bunkhouse brawl" hardcore ma...
Hey ISWUDT
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