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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 2, 2021 8:21:37 GMT -5
After being built up by Ross and Cornette as being the biggest badass that ever lived, you get knocked out by Bart Gunn in a shoot fight in front of millions. Actually, never mind, that's the funniest way to kill a career. I thought of saying Bart and Dr. Death but forgot but yeah, Dr. Death's career was pretty much over at that point. Not sure if he went back to Japan and was still big but he had the very short early 1999 stint with WWF and a very short time with WCW. Bart of course, his U.S. career was over as well. IMO it wasn't so much getting knocked out as it was getting injured, which he never completely recovered from. dude was already on borrowed time and the injury practically finished his in ring career.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 2, 2021 8:24:58 GMT -5
Wait, just watched the clip.... He still has a mask on, it just covers the lower half of his face not the top. Yeah, aside from this being the usual childish wrestling bullshit that Sasuke should've been arrested for, is there any quote from either guy to confirm this was what actually went down? Aside from the fact DBK is actually wearing a mask, Sasuke spends the first half of the match selling for him, which seems odd to do if he was really that pissed about the mask thing. yeah I'm thinking the whole thing is a work, too. if Sasuke were REALLY pissed with him he wouldn't have given him so much in the first half of the match. or maybe something happened during that match that pissed him off and it had nothing to do with the mask thing. the kicks are definitely stiff but it's hardly Antonio Inoki vs. The Great Antonio.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 2, 2021 9:36:54 GMT -5
Showing up fat at your new place of employment Braden Walker/Chris Harris had some star potential with his look in TNA. People make fun of the knock knock jokes thing in WWE but it was meant for him to knock people out. I think homie had some attitude issues in TNA which did not do him any favors but once he got to WWE and had to get off the roids, that look basically killed his career. He came back to TNA for a few matches I remember but his career never took off again Wasn't there supposed to be an excuse for why he go so heavy and someone like Lance Storm said was he allergic to situps? Braden blamed the wellness program for being out of shape, and Lance said, "Were situps on the list of banned substances?!" Lance has been open about some wrestlers he had points of contention with, but Braden/Harris might be the person he went in on hardest, which kind of makes sense given Lance also was working with the developmental guys who were all hoping for air time and their own break, and here this guy strolls in giving no shits and blows it. It's especially bad since it isn't like this was "ECW about to get cancelled" era, either, there was still at least some shits given by WWE at this stage, so it was still something of an opportunity. What's even funnier is Harris showed up at an indy show after his release the top heel berated him for blowing his show and getting fat and Harris's rebuttal was basically "yeah you're right" he then took the money for the appearance and didn't show up again
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 2, 2021 9:46:41 GMT -5
I would think Van Hammer getting pissed over his fake military rank/pot joke name and walking out over it has to be up there. I know he got pissy and had it changed, but he actually walked out over it? What an idiot. Didn't they make a joke after he left, referring to him as "Major Tool"?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 2, 2021 9:54:11 GMT -5
Whatever Big Andy did to piss off someone in WWE, whether it was Austin or Vince during his time on Tough Enough. I guess he did some stuff with WWE Developmental but I don't think he was ever seen on TV after been stunned and obviously embarrassed. It's strange WWE would put so much effort into making a show only to make their pick worthless with an Austin beating. Austin was probably the worst pick for a head trainer or whatever his position was that season, probably even worse than Holly, DeMott, Ivory, Jackie or Tazz because he was way too big of a star in wrestling to be able to properly communicate with these kids which is obvious by his mocking of "Silent Rage" and reaction to "Melina versus Alicia Fox." During the time someone, maybe on this board commented what if a tough enough contestant had said "Savio Vega versus Ringmaster?" as someone's favorite match is obviously their own personal choice and Austin didn't know the relationship between Cameron and Alicia. Austin was always just a host and not the trainer. Also my impression was first WWE expected Rima to be much better than she was to the point they couldn't hide her anymore, and once Martin got hurt they pretty much felt like the remaining people were so far behind him that they were going to have Andy win since he was already under contract... which gave him a big head and got him super heat in FCW cause he then thought he was above developmental. I remember there being talk of them signing Jeremiah to a developmental contract but he had no interest and burned that bridge. I'd say Luke from Tough Enough is another good question because he was probably the 2nd best contestant behind Martin but he was so hated they refused to sign him... and even TNA wouldn't touch him for their Gut Check... and they even used Skidmarks for that
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 2, 2021 10:17:50 GMT -5
This thread got me cracking up. I've quit jobs before and admittedly burned some bridges but wrestlers honestly, truly, are on some other shit.
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 2, 2021 10:53:23 GMT -5
Austin was always just a host and not the trainer. Also my impression was first WWE expected Rima to be much better than she was to the point they couldn't hide her anymore, and once Martin got hurt they pretty much felt like the remaining people were so far behind him that they were going to have Andy win since he was already under contract... which gave him a big head and got him super heat in FCW cause he then thought he was above developmental. I remember there being talk of them signing Jeremiah to a developmental contract but he had no interest and burned that bridge. I'd say Luke from Tough Enough is another good question because he was probably the 2nd best contestant behind Martin but he was so hated they refused to sign him... and even TNA wouldn't touch him for their Gut Check... and they even used Skidmarks for that I was mistaken with my calling Austin head trainer, I meant the head of the show speaking with everyone. I still think he was a bad host because he was so famous but I guess being so famous is what makes a host and I thought he was disrespectful but I guess he wanted the kids to get mad and in his face to prove they wanted it. I'm pretty surprised no one beat the snot out of the boys who said on camera they didn't know who the hot woman was (Stacy). It just seems like something an old school guy would do if they disrespected a legend but not knowing who they were. Stacy did change a bit, she had the light brown hair and didn't have the young college girl look about her (not a knock on her, just when she started out she was college age and by Tough Enough had obviously matured with her looks) but if someone was a wrestling fan, they should know who she is. And Bill DeMott came off a bit sympathetic though probably the bug was put in her ear to be extra nice to Rima. I didn't realize Andy was already signed, so I guess that's why he was stunned into wrestling oblivion. I guess I'm too naive with reality shows, I expect them to be literally reality.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jul 2, 2021 11:07:41 GMT -5
1999 Michinoku Pro Mask Tourny, Great Sasuke booked a wrestler from the UK called the Dirt Bike Kid. Premise of the tourny is that all the wrestlers are wagering their identities and the final loser (round robin tournament) has to unmask. DBKs first match against Sasuke, before the match, he just takes his mask off before the bell. Sasuke gets pissed because damnit that's the whole thing about the tournament, and shoots on DBK. Video probably on YouTube should be easy to find (I'd link but on phone). From what I've heard around here, not a lot of DBK fans... Apparently the tension had been bubbling throughout the tour, there were a couple of other British wrestlers over with him - Jason Cross and Jody Fleisch - and depending on who you ask, had upset everyone with his awful attitude and self importance, or had borne the brunt of Cross and Fleisch trying to get him into trouble on the tour. I suspect the reality was a combination of both.
The Dirtbike Kid's entire career could be listed in this thread really, because his ego was so vast that he ended up alienating pretty much everyone he encountered, except Sabu and apparently Alex Shane. He very nearly did have his career ended in the mid nineties when Karl Krammer had deliberately stepped out of the way instead of catching him off a plancha in their match resulting in what I think was a pretty nasty injury for the Dirtbike Kid, because he had been so obnoxious in the dressing room.
Then he ended up starting his own promotion because he was so insufferable that most promoters wouldn't book him, and making himself its champion - which he "won" in a drawn match when his opponent refused to do a job for him because he was such a prick - but developed a terrible reputation as a promoter despite managing to book some big name ECW talents because the wrestlers who worked his cards - including Fleisch and Cross - only got paid if he felt like it or they kissed his arse enough.
And even after all of that, got brought in by the UWA when it was priming itself to be the next big thing in British wrestling (spoiler: it wasn't) to main event their first show and apparently be a major part of the promotion going forward, but wasn't happy with his match so threw a massive tantrum afterwards and destroyed the dressing room, and again, depending on who you ask was either shitcanned immediately or quit in a rage.
So yeah, the man was an absolute tool. The rumour was that in ECW he was made to dress outside because most of the other wrestlers hated him. I've never quite understood how he ended up in ECW, I suspect he was a bit of a money mark.
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Post by DSR on Jul 2, 2021 11:45:52 GMT -5
Whatever Big Andy did to piss off someone in WWE, whether it was Austin or Vince during his time on Tough Enough. I guess he did some stuff with WWE Developmental but I don't think he was ever seen on TV after been stunned and obviously embarrassed. It's strange WWE would put so much effort into making a show only to make their pick worthless with an Austin beating. Austin was probably the worst pick for a head trainer or whatever his position was that season, probably even worse than Holly, DeMott, Ivory, Jackie or Tazz because he was way too big of a star in wrestling to be able to properly communicate with these kids which is obvious by his mocking of "Silent Rage" and reaction to "Melina versus Alicia Fox." During the time someone, maybe on this board commented what if a tough enough contestant had said "Savio Vega versus Ringmaster?" as someone's favorite match is obviously their own personal choice and Austin didn't know the relationship between Cameron and Alicia. I honestly think that whole season was designed to just have Austin riff on "stupid" trainees and not create any new stars. Which, it was hilarious, not gonna lie.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 2, 2021 11:56:56 GMT -5
Austin was always just a host and not the trainer. Also my impression was first WWE expected Rima to be much better than she was to the point they couldn't hide her anymore, and once Martin got hurt they pretty much felt like the remaining people were so far behind him that they were going to have Andy win since he was already under contract... which gave him a big head and got him super heat in FCW cause he then thought he was above developmental. I remember there being talk of them signing Jeremiah to a developmental contract but he had no interest and burned that bridge. I'd say Luke from Tough Enough is another good question because he was probably the 2nd best contestant behind Martin but he was so hated they refused to sign him... and even TNA wouldn't touch him for their Gut Check... and they even used Skidmarks for that I was mistaken with my calling Austin head trainer, I meant the head of the show speaking with everyone. I still think he was a bad host because he was so famous but I guess being so famous is what makes a host and I thought he was disrespectful but I guess he wanted the kids to get mad and in his face to prove they wanted it. I'm pretty surprised no one beat the snot out of the boys who said on camera they didn't know who the hot woman was (Stacy). It just seems like something an old school guy would do if they disrespected a legend but not knowing who they were. Stacy did change a bit, she had the light brown hair and didn't have the young college girl look about her (not a knock on her, just when she started out she was college age and by Tough Enough had obviously matured with her looks) but if someone was a wrestling fan, they should know who she is. And Bill DeMott came off a bit sympathetic though probably the bug was put in her ear to be extra nice to Rima. I didn't realize Andy was already signed, so I guess that's why he was stunned into wrestling oblivion. I guess I'm too naive with reality shows, I expect them to be literally reality. Yeah I dont remember if Cindy Crawford was signed already too or not... I know she was Alicia Fox's sister. There were reality based stuff for sure, but WWE was counting on Rima to put up a better showing which was naive. All you have to do is look at how they had Stone Cold build her up so much in early episodes. And the trainers were like... yeah no. But yeah most of the talent just wasn't up to par so they took the easy way out. 2nd season was more reality based but WWE also did a better job of screening the talent.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 3, 2021 15:46:46 GMT -5
Attempting to continue being a fighter when you are way past your prime and look like a jacked Al Bundy
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Jul 3, 2021 23:50:34 GMT -5
Attempting to continue being a fighter when you are way past your prime and look like a jacked Al Bundy Okay, that is a low blow. Al Bundy was waaaaaay better looking than Shamrock.
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Post by Rave on Jul 4, 2021 0:00:06 GMT -5
I was mistaken with my calling Austin head trainer, I meant the head of the show speaking with everyone. I still think he was a bad host because he was so famous but I guess being so famous is what makes a host and I thought he was disrespectful but I guess he wanted the kids to get mad and in his face to prove they wanted it. I'm pretty surprised no one beat the snot out of the boys who said on camera they didn't know who the hot woman was (Stacy). It just seems like something an old school guy would do if they disrespected a legend but not knowing who they were. Stacy did change a bit, she had the light brown hair and didn't have the young college girl look about her (not a knock on her, just when she started out she was college age and by Tough Enough had obviously matured with her looks) but if someone was a wrestling fan, they should know who she is. And Bill DeMott came off a bit sympathetic though probably the bug was put in her ear to be extra nice to Rima. I didn't realize Andy was already signed, so I guess that's why he was stunned into wrestling oblivion. I guess I'm too naive with reality shows, I expect them to be literally reality. Yeah I dont remember if Cindy Crawford was signed already too or not... I know she was Alicia Fox's sister. There were reality based stuff for sure, but WWE was counting on Rima to put up a better showing which was naive. All you have to do is look at how they had Stone Cold build her up so much in early episodes. And the trainers were like... yeah no. But yeah most of the talent just wasn't up to par so they took the easy way out. 2nd season was more reality based but WWE also did a better job of screening the talent. Christina was signed, yeah. Both were in FCW before Tough Enough. I'm pretty sure Rima was meant to win the whole thing considering how much hype they put into her involvement, with Andy and Christina put in as ringers in case that didn't work out. Christina got kicked back to FCW after, not sure if Andy was post-stunner.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jul 4, 2021 0:07:05 GMT -5
Whatever Big Andy did to piss off someone in WWE, whether it was Austin or Vince during his time on Tough Enough. I guess he did some stuff with WWE Developmental but I don't think he was ever seen on TV after been stunned and obviously embarrassed. It's strange WWE would put so much effort into making a show only to make their pick worthless with an Austin beating. Austin was probably the worst pick for a head trainer or whatever his position was that season, probably even worse than Holly, DeMott, Ivory, Jackie or Tazz because he was way too big of a star in wrestling to be able to properly communicate with these kids which is obvious by his mocking of "Silent Rage" and reaction to "Melina versus Alicia Fox." During the time someone, maybe on this board commented what if a tough enough contestant had said "Savio Vega versus Ringmaster?" as someone's favorite match is obviously their own personal choice and Austin didn't know the relationship between Cameron and Alicia. I honestly think that whole season was designed to just have Austin riff on "stupid" trainees and not create any new stars. Which, it was hilarious, not gonna lie. It definitely felt like that was the only reason Matt Cross was there. Like they wanted to take a known but mediocre indy wrestler and make a big joke of all those flippy indy guys.
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Post by 06vwgti on Jul 4, 2021 0:14:42 GMT -5
I understand the issues with the first two names mentioned as trainers, but the last three, were they bad trainers on Tough Enough? I don't recall others saying negative things about them I just imagine, and I could be wrong, Jackie and Tazz being difficult because they obviously hadn't achieved great success in WWF, had been wrestling for years and were probably angry at the new kids coming in to a potentially huge contract. Didn't Jackie rough up another women's wrestler pretty bad or am I imagining that? As for Ivory, I think back to her putting Jackie on the spot to jump in the pool. I get you do what you have to some degree to get the job but I feel like Jackie was put on the spot and realized if she hadn't done it she may not have had a chance. It was a veteran asking something unnecessary of a trainee because she, Ivory, knew she had Jackie right where she wanted her. I do like Ivory a lot, she was really nice to me in person and I do think she's a good person, Jackie and Tazz too but you really need trainers who are right in the middle of success. They may not have been in the main event but they weren't first match guys who didn't have much success in a certain promotion. Whether they are good wrestlers or potentially good trainers I think too much could go wrong if a veteran is jealous of a trainee getting a good spot on the card. I always remembered that video clip of Jackie clotheslining one trainee on Tough Enough 1 (I think the one that married Brian Kendrick?), but it was laughed off and shown as a rite of passage with the TE1 crew. Even then I always recalled Trish, Victoria, etc having praise for both women. I saw her shoot interview that was posted Youtube, and got the impression, she wasn't happy with how she was used in the WWE, but she also didn't seem selfish and was professional. The only thing I can recall was what happened with with Bobbi Billard down in OVW and was on her LiveJournal mentioning Ivory, Jackie and Dr. Tom. But other than that, not much else. Then again with the Internet and websites coming and going, it is hard to find old forum archieves forums.thesmartmarks.com/topic/56090-ivory-and-jacqueline-abusing-workers-in-ovw/With Taz, I mostly remember him as mostly a commentator since I didn't get much ECW back then and his in ring was mostly done by the time I started watching again since I went through a period around 2000 where I only watched sporadically like summers when I was off of school.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jul 4, 2021 0:46:08 GMT -5
In Silverman's case he dared to upgrade to 1st class out of his own pocket. Because, only main eventers fly 1st class. I thought he won a first class ticket as a prize and refused to give it to someone else higher on the card. Or was that Billy Kidman?
I don't have an answer but X-Pac said in a shoot that if he ever happened to get a first class upgrade he would give it to someone like Mr. Fuji out of respect.
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Post by RKTaker on Jul 4, 2021 9:51:19 GMT -5
Yeah, aside from this being the usual childish wrestling bullshit that Sasuke should've been arrested for, is there any quote from either guy to confirm this was what actually went down? Aside from the fact DBK is actually wearing a mask, Sasuke spends the first half of the match selling for him, which seems odd to do if he was really that pissed about the mask thing. yeah I'm thinking the whole thing is a work, too. if Sasuke were REALLY pissed with him he wouldn't have given him so much in the first half of the match. or maybe something happened during that match that pissed him off and it had nothing to do with the mask thing. the kicks are definitely stiff but it's hardly Antonio Inoki vs. The Great Antonio. apparently it was after the scoop slam but i’m just going based off youtube comments so that might not be the case
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 4, 2021 11:24:24 GMT -5
This thread got me cracking up. I've quit jobs before and admittedly burned some bridges but wrestlers honestly, truly, are on some other shit. Yeah, I have a pretty bad track record of igniting the bridge on my way out because I usually give my boss an honest assessment of why I’m quitting, but some of these really are above and beyond 🤣🤣
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Post by fw91 on Jul 4, 2021 11:44:51 GMT -5
Whatever Big Andy did to piss off someone in WWE, whether it was Austin or Vince during his time on Tough Enough. I guess he did some stuff with WWE Developmental but I don't think he was ever seen on TV after been stunned and obviously embarrassed. It's strange WWE would put so much effort into making a show only to make their pick worthless with an Austin beating. Austin was probably the worst pick for a head trainer or whatever his position was that season, probably even worse than Holly, DeMott, Ivory, Jackie or Tazz because he was way too big of a star in wrestling to be able to properly communicate with these kids which is obvious by his mocking of "Silent Rage" and reaction to "Melina versus Alicia Fox." During the time someone, maybe on this board commented what if a tough enough contestant had said "Savio Vega versus Ringmaster?" as someone's favorite match is obviously their own personal choice and Austin didn't know the relationship between Cameron and Alicia. It was Christina (who wasn't bad from I remember), not Cameron who was Alicia's sister.
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 4, 2021 13:32:43 GMT -5
It was Christina (who wasn't bad from I remember), not Cameron who was Alicia's sister. Thanks, I thought I had the name right but I didn't. I get Austin thought this was some girl who didn't like wrestling and was saying a generic match she thought of but people's favorite matches are subjective. As a kid and to this day I'd much rather watch a something like Powers of Pain versus Bolsheviks or Valentine versus Earthquake than a main event. I loved the undercard guys more than the main eventers.
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