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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:22:21 GMT -5
Dude, the chart is literally showing you ALL of cable was down, all of it, didn't matter what was on. The highest demo was .25, one point higher than what AEW got I don't exactly know how to say this further but when the entirety of cable is down, there really isn't much you can do, this has happened before and it's pretty random but that isn't exactly on AEW when the viewership pool as a whole seems like it just dipped last night, for everything. Like I already mentioned, cable was down because there was nothing else big on TV, like last week’s College World Series. The Housewives show that airs head to head with AEW went up in the demo and in viewership from last week. Cable viewing being down is only an excuse if there is a reason like cable outages around the country or it being a holiday or something like that. For a run of the mill Wednesday, that’s not really relevant to the conversation, in my opinion. You don't know that and you cannot factually say that was the reason cable was down today It is very relevant to the conversation because this has happened before, and it just happened again. Linear live cable viewership has been down for awhile and it only continues to go down. Some odd days this is what's going to happen, and I think it's stupid to just waive it away like it wasn't a legitimate reason AEW did low this week, when the last few weeks they'd been getting much better ratings and literally nothing was wrong, and now suddenly everything is and shit needs to change Sorry if I'm with other people about these threads but they're getting tedious, it doesn't feel like some stuff comes from a genuine place of wanting discussion, they just want to discuss why AEW suddenly needs to change because a weekly number didn't hit their bar, and once again, here we are. Even when it's right in your face as to why, no, it HAS to be something else so we can discuss what AEW is doing wrong. Sorry, I don't agree I guess.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jun 29, 2023 16:23:52 GMT -5
I don't really understand why AEW viewers choosing not to watch Dynamite has nothing to do with AEW. Was there a memo sent out ordering people not to watch TV last night?
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jun 29, 2023 16:24:36 GMT -5
Sometimes numbers are just numbers and there's not that much you can do to explain them. RAW this week saw an explosion in viewers under the age of 35. They had more viewers in the lower age groups than they've done all year - including the the RAW after WrestleMania. And that's with them advertising almost nothing of note. And they all tuned in from the start so it's not as if something happened during the show to convince them to tune in. And you can be the biggest WWE fan in the world but I haven't heard anyone tell me what was it about this week's RAW stood out so much above all others that made them tune in. It doesn't really make sense but it happened. Can you find reasons to explain why this week's Dynamite was lower? Sure. That low compared to the past three years? I can't. As I said - sometimes numbers are numbers and you just move on and follow the trend. This week's Raw is the benefit of a company putting on consistent creative that people enjoy. More people are willing to tune in and check it out because they are expecting to see something they like. It's why every show they do is up year over year while the rest of cable continues to die. Reigns/Bloodline is a rising tide lifting the entire WWE ship. This week's Dynamite is the inverse. Weeks, if not months, of down creative leads less and less people to tune in.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 29, 2023 16:25:14 GMT -5
Still think it's oversaturation more than anything specific.
We just had 7 hours of aew over the long weekend before, you can watch the original Star Wars Trilogy in less time. Many missing viewers must have just had their fill of wrestling for now, especially if they watched Raw too.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:25:37 GMT -5
All I know is that I saw Punk was on Dynamite last week and didnt feel like watching this one Yep. Dude's mere presence has fully chased me away from the product. And that's a shame, because the product is great, and CM Punk isn't even involved on one of the shows outside of a singular week because they were still in Chicago Also Punk's been great in ring, and it's actually been nice to see him back and still able to go. Kojima/Punk was probably one of the better matches on a stacked Forbidden Door card, and he is playing perfectly to the boos so far... different strokes I guess but I don't quit WWE because they force Matt Riddle on me, especially I don't just not watch Smackdown out of fear he's going to show up, in the end you do you, but CM Punk hasn't hurt AEW in the way some people thought he was going to, at least right now. But this isn't the Punk thread, so I'll leave it at that.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jun 29, 2023 16:25:48 GMT -5
The show still being in the top 5 means there is no reason to panic but numbers are down a lot year over year. More than a normal rate for cable. And while another wrestling company is growing their audience, I think here is a genuine conversation to be had about Dynamite, AEW creative, and general star power. Something is off that is not connecting to an outside audience. I think it comes down to wrestling shows are successful based on their top one or two stories/stars and the Elite are beyond stale right now. The same basic story is still being told with them for over two years now. There needs to be new creative with them, especially when it comes to the Hangman's involvement. They need to make a decision about all of it and move the heck on after Blood and Guts. It has run out of all heat. The Elite can still be big stars. Kenny/Mox cage match in Detroit was able to do a great number because Kenny still has that pull. A Kenny singles match especially will get people to tune in. The MJF/Adam Cole stuff is so hokey too. Not to mention logically flawed, at best. You had these guys tear into one another verbally a few weeks ago. Now, with no explanation, they're cool pretending to be buddies and hanging outside the show. Why? To win a tournament we still know nothing about? Even though MJF has said he doesn't want to wrestle more. Why is any of this happening? I have no idea about the motivations for anyone, nor the swing in feelings. And who wants to see any of this? Again, no actual heat here at all. We are probably just in a weird part of the booking cycle but some sort of significant angles needs to occur to spark this show/AEW. Probably best to do it at Blood and Guts, or the week after, set up for the looming All In/All Out. But they need to move both these stories and do something fresh. To reiterate, I do not think AEW is dying or should panic, but I think there is a fair conversation to be had about storylines/booking. I oscillate between thinking AEW is the greatest thing ever and being so worn out on its holding patterns, stop-start booking, seemingly endless and countless faction/tag/run-in wars to get as many people on screen in one fell swoop as possible as the roster is so bloated and generally just its all-round bloat. That's before we get to that we're four years in and the women still have to fight for the absolute minimum on the show. If it was any other company I'd be like "I'm out" but then something like Omega/Ospreay or Moxley/Hangman happens and I'm like "best company ever." I guess, if anything, it's a product so perfectly geared towards my tastes that it makes its flaw all the more bitter, if that makes sense?
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jun 29, 2023 16:28:01 GMT -5
Yep. Dude's mere presence has fully chased me away from the product. And that's a shame, because the product is great, and CM Punk isn't even involved on one of the shows outside of a singular week because they were still in Chicago Also Punk's been great in ring, and it's actually been nice to see him back and still able to go. Kojima/Punk was probably one of the better matches on a stacked Forbidden Door card, and he is playing perfectly to the boos so far... different strokes I guess but I don't quit WWE because they force Matt Riddle on me, especially I don't just not watch Smackdown out of fear he's going to show up, in the end you do you, but CM Punk hasn't hurt AEW in the way some people thought he was going to, at least right now. But this isn't the Punk thread, so I'll leave it at that. Dude doesn't get a pass on being a piece of shit because "Oh, well, gee whiz he's been great since he's been back". Dude could have come back as Lou Thesz, Harley Race and Bret Hart reborn into one dude and I still wouldn't be interested in the company that didn't even slap his wrist for his behavior.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:28:26 GMT -5
Sometimes numbers are just numbers and there's not that much you can do to explain them. RAW this week saw an explosion in viewers under the age of 35. They had more viewers in the lower age groups than they've done all year - including the the RAW after WrestleMania. And that's with them advertising almost nothing of note. And they all tuned in from the start so it's not as if something happened during the show to convince them to tune in. And you can be the biggest WWE fan in the world but I haven't heard anyone tell me what was it about this week's RAW stood out so much above all others that made them tune in. It doesn't really make sense but it happened. Can you find reasons to explain why this week's Dynamite was lower? Sure. That low compared to the past three years? I can't. As I said - sometimes numbers are numbers and you just move on and follow the trend. This week's Raw is the benefit of a company putting on consistent creative that people enjoy. More people are willing to tune in and check it out because they are expecting to see something they like. It's why every show they do is up year over year while the rest of cable continues to die. Reigns/Bloodline is a rising tide lifting the entire WWE ship. This week's Dynamite is the inverse. Weeks, if not months, of down creative leads less and less people to tune in. Can we not make this an AEW vs WWE thing? Especially when WWE fans really f***ing hated when people were doing that when AEW was getting better ratings? It's one week where all of Wednesday's cable numbers were down, and now we're making it into a company comparison as to why one is "flourishing" and another isn't because it's doing wrong things And I guess we're just gonna ignore that there was a stretch very recently of Dynamite being up year over year because this number at face value looks bad, because sure.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Jun 29, 2023 16:28:43 GMT -5
Did we not just spend like 5 or 6 pages on another thread talking about how awful/shitty/terrible AEW's ratings are?
I love FAN so much, but I'm gonna have to start doing what that other dude suggested in the other thread and just stop reading through these. It's the same people saying the same thing every week. The only part of the AEW board I would consider toxic. Kind of a shame.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 29, 2023 16:29:33 GMT -5
The show still being in the top 5 means there is no reason to panic but numbers are down a lot year over year. More than a normal rate for cable. And while another wrestling company is growing their audience, I think here is a genuine conversation to be had about Dynamite, AEW creative, and general star power. Something is off that is not connecting to an outside audience. I think it comes down to wrestling shows are successful based on their top one or two stories/stars and the Elite are beyond stale right now. The same basic story is still being told with them for over two years now. There needs to be new creative with them, especially when it comes to the Hangman's involvement. They need to make a decision about all of it and move the heck on after Blood and Guts. It has run out of all heat. The Elite can still be big stars. Kenny/Mox cage match in Detroit was able to do a great number because Kenny still has that pull. A Kenny singles match especially will get people to tune in. The MJF/Adam Cole stuff is so hokey too. Not to mention logically flawed, at best. You had these guys tear into one another verbally a few weeks ago. Now, with no explanation, they're cool pretending to be buddies and hanging outside the show. Why? To win a tournament we still know nothing about? Even though MJF has said he doesn't want to wrestle more. Why is any of this happening? I have no idea about the motivations for anyone, nor the swing in feelings. And who wants to see any of this? Again, no actual heat here at all. We are probably just in a weird part of the booking cycle but some sort of significant angles needs to occur to spark this show/AEW. Probably best to do it at Blood and Guts, or the week after, set up for the looming All In/All Out. But they need to move both these stories and do something fresh. To reiterate, I do not think AEW is dying or should panic, but I think there is a fair conversation to be had about storylines/booking. I oscillate between thinking AEW is the greatest thing ever and being so worn out on its holding patterns, stop-start booking, seemingly endless and countless faction/tag/run-in wars to get as many people on screen in one fell swoop as possible as the roster is so bloated and generally just its all-round bloat. That's before we get to that we're four years in and the women still have to fight for the absolute minimum on the show. If it was any other company I'd be like "I'm out" but then something like Omega/Ospreay or Moxley/Hangman happens and I'm like "best company ever." I guess, if anything, it's a product so perfectly geared towards my tastes that it makes its flaw all the more bitter, if that makes sense? In a vacuum aew shows are amazing but the only thing keeping my attention are OC which doesn't has a storyline at the moment and Hangman Dark Order which seemed to have ended without build. You have amazing Joshi but you can't even cut Britt vs Ruby from the show when Britt is sick, you just do a placeholder and bump for the next Dynamite. It's really bad story wise when the Elite is not.involved.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:31:35 GMT -5
And that's a shame, because the product is great, and CM Punk isn't even involved on one of the shows outside of a singular week because they were still in Chicago Also Punk's been great in ring, and it's actually been nice to see him back and still able to go. Kojima/Punk was probably one of the better matches on a stacked Forbidden Door card, and he is playing perfectly to the boos so far... different strokes I guess but I don't quit WWE because they force Matt Riddle on me, especially I don't just not watch Smackdown out of fear he's going to show up, in the end you do you, but CM Punk hasn't hurt AEW in the way some people thought he was going to, at least right now. But this isn't the Punk thread, so I'll leave it at that. Dude doesn't get a pass on being a piece of shit because "Oh, well, gee whiz he's been great since he's been back". Dude could have come back as Lou Thesz, Harley Race and Bret Hart reborn into one dude and I still wouldn't be interested in the company that didn't even slap his wrist for his behavior. I didn't give him a pass, I'm enjoying his work and he's proving why he's still here. And it sounds like people are moving on backstage and things are simmering so it's whatever to me, that's on them and ultimately if they're moving on, then they're moving on, it happened to them, they have the stake in the game, I don't. Wrestling is what it is, won't be the first time, or the last time a guy who is still good will be worth the trouble, even outside of wrestling too I still think, personally, boycotting a whole product because of him doesn't really solve anything, again, I just skip people I don't like, his presence isn't all over the show, Collision has proven quickly to be about way more than CM Punk, overall, the return has been what it was, AEW hasn't suffered, and I hope it doesn't. If you aren't ever going to watch AEW again because of him, then I guess either see you when his contract expires or I hope you get wrestling enjoyment from another company, and I've genuinely meant that when I've said it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:33:14 GMT -5
I oscillate between thinking AEW is the greatest thing ever and being so worn out on its holding patterns, stop-start booking, seemingly endless and countless faction/tag/run-in wars to get as many people on screen in one fell swoop as possible as the roster is so bloated and generally just its all-round bloat. That's before we get to that we're four years in and the women still have to fight for the absolute minimum on the show. If it was any other company I'd be like "I'm out" but then something like Omega/Ospreay or Moxley/Hangman happens and I'm like "best company ever." I guess, if anything, it's a product so perfectly geared towards my tastes that it makes its flaw all the more bitter, if that makes sense? In a vacuum aew shows are amazing but the only thing keeping my attention are OC which doesn't has a storyline at the moment and Hangman Dark Order which seemed to have ended without build. You have amazing Joshi but you can't even cut Britt vs Ruby from the show when Britt is sick, you just do a placeholder and bump for the next Dynamite. It's really bad story wise when the Elite is not.involved. MJF/Cole is great, OC's title reign storyline as you've said it great, and there have been other things keeping my attention personally But I don't think it's been bad story wise at all, I've seen a ton of threads even here talking about how good some current storylines have been As for the Joshi, Shida's wrestling Taya on Rampage and it's likely leading to a TBS Title match with Statlander, which will be well worth everyone's time.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jun 29, 2023 16:34:37 GMT -5
I oscillate between thinking AEW is the greatest thing ever and being so worn out on its holding patterns, stop-start booking, seemingly endless and countless faction/tag/run-in wars to get as many people on screen in one fell swoop as possible as the roster is so bloated and generally just its all-round bloat. That's before we get to that we're four years in and the women still have to fight for the absolute minimum on the show. If it was any other company I'd be like "I'm out" but then something like Omega/Ospreay or Moxley/Hangman happens and I'm like "best company ever." I guess, if anything, it's a product so perfectly geared towards my tastes that it makes its flaw all the more bitter, if that makes sense? In a vacuum aew shows are amazing but the only thing keeping my attention are OC which doesn't has a storyline at the moment and Hangman Dark Order which seemed to have ended without build. You have amazing Joshi but you can't even cut Britt vs Ruby from the show when Britt is sick, you just do a placeholder and bump for the next Dynamite. It's really bad story wise when the Elite is not.involved. Which is really f***ing weird as I would put AEW down as being responsible for two of the greatest stories I've ever seen told in wrestling between Hangman/Kenny and MJF/Punk, so it's really f***ing glaring when the shows feel aimless. They have Serena Deeb and Riho on roster and I'm still waiting for the rematch 2 years later, meanwhile the five-twelves minutes allotted to the women each show seem contractually bound to lumbering Ruby and Toni with the most lifeless gimmick since The Riott Squad.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 29, 2023 16:35:26 GMT -5
In a vacuum aew shows are amazing but the only thing keeping my attention are OC which doesn't has a storyline at the moment and Hangman Dark Order which seemed to have ended without build. You have amazing Joshi but you can't even cut Britt vs Ruby from the show when Britt is sick, you just do a placeholder and bump for the next Dynamite. It's really bad story wise when the Elite is not.involved. MJF/Cole is great, OC's title reign storyline as you've said it great, and there have been other things keeping my attention personally But I don't think it's been bad story wise at all, I've seen a ton of threads even here talking about how good some current storylines have been As for the Joshi, Shida's wrestling Taya on Rampage and it's likely leading to a TBS Title match with Statlander, which will be well worth everyone's time. I'm a c show without any build. And OC is great but he has no storyline or focus. And I don't think Cole and mjf storyline is particularly great story. It's not bad but it is not great
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:36:56 GMT -5
In a vacuum aew shows are amazing but the only thing keeping my attention are OC which doesn't has a storyline at the moment and Hangman Dark Order which seemed to have ended without build. You have amazing Joshi but you can't even cut Britt vs Ruby from the show when Britt is sick, you just do a placeholder and bump for the next Dynamite. It's really bad story wise when the Elite is not.involved. Which is really f***ing weird as I would put AEW down as being responsible for two of the greatest stories I've ever seen told in wrestling between Hangman/Kenny and MJF/Punk, so it's really f***ing glaring when the shows feel aimless. They have Serena Deeb and Riho on roster and I'm still waiting for the rematch 2 years later, meanwhile the five-twelves minutes allotted to the women each show seem contractually bound to lumbering Ruby and Toni with the most lifeless gimmick since The Riott Squad. Deeb's been hurt for months, so... that's a reason you haven't seen her. I also don't think The Outcasts are "Lifeless", people have been enjoying the gimmick, in some posters cases it's been like their favorite thing on the show, which is again why the discussion of what's working and what isn't is subjective, especially when ratings are thrown in the mix I'm personally enjoying Elite/BCC more weeks than I am the Bloodline stuff (Though when Bloodline hits, it hits super well), which again, is subjective, people feel differently, but I also think it's hard to really nail down when something isn't working, feels "aimless", or needs t change.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 29, 2023 16:38:19 GMT -5
In a vacuum aew shows are amazing but the only thing keeping my attention are OC which doesn't has a storyline at the moment and Hangman Dark Order which seemed to have ended without build. You have amazing Joshi but you can't even cut Britt vs Ruby from the show when Britt is sick, you just do a placeholder and bump for the next Dynamite. It's really bad story wise when the Elite is not.involved. Which is really f***ing weird as I would put AEW down as being responsible for two of the greatest stories I've ever seen told in wrestling between Hangman/Kenny and MJF/Punk, so it's really f***ing glaring when the shows feel aimless. They have Serena Deeb and Riho on roster and I'm still waiting for the rematch 2 years later, meanwhile the five-twelves minutes allotted to the women each show seem contractually bound to lumbering Ruby and Toni with the most lifeless gimmick since The Riott Squad. I think the last storyline that really hooked me was Acclaimed vs The Gunns and followed greartly by Swerve in our Glory vs Acclaimed. Then Swerve and Lee gets stuck on nothing Limbo and Acclaimed on and off on Rampage. It's frustrating sometimes
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:38:36 GMT -5
MJF/Cole is great, OC's title reign storyline as you've said it great, and there have been other things keeping my attention personally But I don't think it's been bad story wise at all, I've seen a ton of threads even here talking about how good some current storylines have been As for the Joshi, Shida's wrestling Taya on Rampage and it's likely leading to a TBS Title match with Statlander, which will be well worth everyone's time. I'm a c show without any build. And OC is great but he has no storyline or focus. And I don't think Cole and mjf storyline is particularly great story. It's not bad but it is not great Shida getting a match with Taya is literally to facilitate her getting to a TBS title match with Shida and gets Shida back on the show, if you think it's a "C Show with no build" then idk what to tell you. If you want to support the Joshi's getting into storylines and getting on the show, then maybe don't treat Rampage like an afterthought? Card looks great this week. Cole/MJF feels fresh and is only just beginning. I'll take this MJF a million times over when he's trying to be tryhard edgy.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:39:12 GMT -5
Which is really f***ing weird as I would put AEW down as being responsible for two of the greatest stories I've ever seen told in wrestling between Hangman/Kenny and MJF/Punk, so it's really f***ing glaring when the shows feel aimless. They have Serena Deeb and Riho on roster and I'm still waiting for the rematch 2 years later, meanwhile the five-twelves minutes allotted to the women each show seem contractually bound to lumbering Ruby and Toni with the most lifeless gimmick since The Riott Squad. I think the last storyline that really hooked me was Acclaimed vs The Gunns and followed greartly by Swerve in our Glory vs Acclaimed. Then Swerve and Lee gets stuck on nothing Limbo and Acclaimed on and off on Rampage. It's frustrating sometimes Keith and Swerve are being forced to team back up in the Blind Eliminator next week... probably gonna be worth monitoring that
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Post by Dub H on Jun 29, 2023 16:39:51 GMT -5
I think the last storyline that really hooked me was Acclaimed vs The Gunns and followed greartly by Swerve in our Glory vs Acclaimed. Then Swerve and Lee gets stuck on nothing Limbo and Acclaimed on and off on Rampage. It's frustrating sometimes Keith and Swerve are being forced to team back up in the Blind Eliminator next week... probably gonna be worth monitoring that I really hope it leads to something but aew has given me no incentive to believe it will
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:40:43 GMT -5
Keith and Swerve are being forced to team back up in the Blind Eliminator next week... probably gonna be worth monitoring that I really hope it leads to something but aew has given me no incentive to believe it will That's not really on AEW either if Keith is still suffering from Long COVID effects However, it does feel like a springboard to re-ignite the story and hopefully get us to a match on a card if Keith's feeling better
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