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Post by markymark on Jun 29, 2023 15:09:24 GMT -5
Looks like cable was dead yesterday....
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Post by Cyno on Jun 29, 2023 15:28:21 GMT -5
Those are some dreadful numbers overall. Wow.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jun 29, 2023 15:40:45 GMT -5
Holy smokes cable numbers are just brutal overall. It's crazy to see the entire "Top 10" on cable for the night be under a million for total viewership.
Just another sign that that really shouldn't be used as even an arbitrary benchmark of success anymore.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 15:53:56 GMT -5
When the top demo of the entire night is .25, yeah, hard to really blame AEW for this one.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 29, 2023 15:59:19 GMT -5
When the top demo of the entire night is .25, yeah, hard to really blame AEW for this one. I mean some blame goes on the company I would think. It can’t be that prior weeks’ poor ratings are because of the strong competition with Vanderpump and NBA playoffs but now this week’s poor rating is because there was nothing else getting big ratings.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 29, 2023 16:02:50 GMT -5
Apparently this demo is the all-time low for a Dynamite in the correct timeslot that wasn’t opposed by NXT.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 29, 2023 16:05:04 GMT -5
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Post by Dub H on Jun 29, 2023 16:06:27 GMT -5
All I know is that I saw Punk was on Dynamite last week and didnt feel like watching this one
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:06:46 GMT -5
When the top demo of the entire night is .25, yeah, hard to really blame AEW for this one. I mean some blame goes on the company I would think. Because we simply must right? It can't not be AEW's fault in some way. Physically impossible really, even with the numbers showing exactly why that really isn't the case.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:07:27 GMT -5
All I know is that I saw Punk was on Dynamite last week and didnt feel like watching this one He literally told you he was a Collision guy and wasn't supposed to be there
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 29, 2023 16:08:27 GMT -5
I mean some blame goes on the company I would think. Because we simply must right? It can't not be AEW's fault in some way. Physically impossible really, even with the numbers showing exactly why that really isn't the case. Huh? There being little competition, if the product was hot and they put on/advertised a show that people wanted to watch, they would watch. It’s odd to say they did poorly some weeks because of too much competition but now they’re doing poorly because of too little competition. I’m sure a well-built Dynamite with a drawing match like Blood and Guts in a couple of weeks will draw a big number no matter what’s on TV.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Jun 29, 2023 16:08:38 GMT -5
The show still being in the top 5 means there is no reason to panic but numbers are down a lot year over year. More than a normal rate for cable. And while another wrestling company is growing their audience, I think here is a genuine conversation to be had about Dynamite, AEW creative, and general star power.
Something is off that is not connecting to an outside audience. I think it comes down to wrestling shows are successful based on their top one or two stories/stars and the Elite are beyond stale right now. The same basic story is still being told with them for over two years now. There needs to be new creative with them, especially when it comes to the Hangman's involvement. They need to make a decision about all of it and move the heck on after Blood and Guts. It has run out of all heat.
The Elite can still be big stars. Kenny/Mox cage match in Detroit was able to do a great number because Kenny still has that pull. A Kenny singles match especially will get people to tune in.
The MJF/Adam Cole stuff is so hokey too. Not to mention logically flawed, at best. You had these guys tear into one another verbally a few weeks ago. Now, with no explanation, they're cool pretending to be buddies and hanging outside the show. Why? To win a tournament we still know nothing about? Even though MJF has said he doesn't want to wrestle more. Why is any of this happening? I have no idea about the motivations for anyone, nor the swing in feelings. And who wants to see any of this? Again, no actual heat here at all.
We are probably just in a weird part of the booking cycle but some sort of significant angles needs to occur to spark this show/AEW. Probably best to do it at Blood and Guts, or the week after, set up for the looming All In/All Out. But they need to move both these stories and do something fresh.
To reiterate, I do not think AEW is dying or should panic, but I think there is a fair conversation to be had about storylines/booking.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:10:30 GMT -5
Because we simply must right? It can't not be AEW's fault in some way. Physically impossible really, even with the numbers showing exactly why that really isn't the case. Huh? There being little competition, if the product was hot and they put on/advertised a show that people wanted to watch, they would watch. It’s odd to say they did poorly some weeks because of too much competition but now they’re doing poorly because of too little competition. I’m sure a well-built Dynamite with a drawing match like Blood and Guts in a couple of weeks will draw a big number. Dude, the chart is literally showing you ALL of cable was down, all of it, didn't matter what was on. The highest demo was .25, one point higher than what AEW got I don't exactly know how to say this further but when the entirety of cable is down, there really isn't much you can do, this has happened before and it's pretty random but that isn't exactly on AEW when the viewership pool as a whole seems like it just dipped last night, for everything.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 29, 2023 16:10:45 GMT -5
All I know is that I saw Punk was on Dynamite last week and didnt feel like watching this one He literally told you he was a Collision guy and wasn't supposed to be there and yet he was
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 29, 2023 16:11:00 GMT -5
Sometimes numbers are just numbers and there's not that much you can do to explain them. RAW this week saw an explosion in viewers under the age of 35. They had more viewers in the lower age groups than they've done all year - including the the RAW after WrestleMania. And that's with them advertising almost nothing of note. And they all tuned in from the start so it's not as if something happened during the show to convince them to tune in. And you can be the biggest WWE fan in the world but I haven't heard anyone tell me what was it about this week's RAW stood out so much above all others that made them tune in. It doesn't really make sense but it happened. Can you find reasons to explain why this week's Dynamite was lower? Sure. That low compared to the past three years? I can't. As I said - sometimes numbers are numbers and you just move on and follow the trend.
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Post by thirteen3 on Jun 29, 2023 16:15:43 GMT -5
There was a sale at the gas station.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:16:44 GMT -5
The show still being in the top 5 means there is no reason to panic but numbers are down a lot year over year. More than a normal rate for cable. And while another wrestling company is growing their audience, I think here is a genuine conversation to be had about Dynamite, AEW creative, and general star power. Something is off that is not connecting to an outside audience. I think it comes down to wrestling shows are successful based on their top one or two stories/stars and the Elite are beyond stale right now. The same basic story is still being told with them for over two years now. There needs to be new creative with them, especially when it comes to the Hangman's involvement. They need to make a decision about all of it and move the heck on after Blood and Guts. It has run out of all heat. The Elite can still be big stars. Kenny/Mox cage match in Detroit was able to do a great number because Kenny still has that pull. A Kenny singles match especially will get people to tune in. The MJF/Adam Cole stuff is so hokey too. Not to mention logically flawed, at best. You had these guys tear into one another verbally a few weeks ago. Now, with no explanation, they're cool pretending to be buddies and hanging outside the show. Why? To win a tournament we still know nothing about? Even though MJF has said he doesn't want to wrestle more. Why is any of this happening? I have no idea about the motivations for anyone, nor the swing in feelings. And who wants to see any of this? Again, no actual heat here at all. We are probably just in a weird part of the booking cycle but some sort of significant angles needs to occur to spark this show/AEW. Probably best to do it at Blood and Guts, or the week after, set up for the looming All In/All Out. But they need to move both these stories and do something fresh. To reiterate, I do not think AEW is dying or should panic, but I think there is a fair conversation to be had about storylines/booking. Elite/BCC has been heavily praised by a large portion here and outside of here and the ratings have been good for it as well. Nothing about it has come off stale and Hangman/Dark Order's stuff might've been the most compelling moment of the entire night and added a whole new layer to what the ongoing war is MJF and Cole makes perfect sense and people have been praising this storyline as well for being different and taking MJF in a fresh direction. It makes total sense, they were forced to team together, and now MJF is acting like a disingenuous asshole to try and trick Cole, and Cole isn't having it. They're hugging each other with knives at their back, it's a way more compelling storyline and actually IS different than many of the MJF title feuds before this, which is funny because you're asking for AEW booking to be different, and when they are you're calling it "Hokey and illogical" in the same statement, it's really not. And that's the thing about these ratings discussions, you're acting like stuff needs to change because of a weekly number being down in a week where all of cable was in the toilet, and you're acting like it's a fact and this HAS to change, when in reality, the ratings do not reflect your takes as a fact that this stuff isn't working, and ratings are a very broad thing week to week and do not reflect angles or wrestlers succeeding or failing due to that This is also why people get annoyed with the ratings threads, because people want to use it as a springboard to be like "You see? This isn't working, this is bad, they should change it", and that is not what the majority of people are saying about these feuds or storylines. You're free to think it's not working, but that is not the genuine factual case, nor does this week of ratings act as some sort of gotcha for that. "Who wants to see any of this?", plenty of people, not you I suppose, and that's fine, but again, this is why ratings in general feel like a chore lately.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 16:17:15 GMT -5
He literally told you he was a Collision guy and wasn't supposed to be there and yet he was If you're serious and skipped an entire show scared that CM Punk would show up, idk what to tell ya man, I'm really over that lol
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 29, 2023 16:19:04 GMT -5
Huh? There being little competition, if the product was hot and they put on/advertised a show that people wanted to watch, they would watch. It’s odd to say they did poorly some weeks because of too much competition but now they’re doing poorly because of too little competition. I’m sure a well-built Dynamite with a drawing match like Blood and Guts in a couple of weeks will draw a big number. Dude, the chart is literally showing you ALL of cable was down, all of it, didn't matter what was on. The highest demo was .25, one point higher than what AEW got I don't exactly know how to say this further but when the entirety of cable is down, there really isn't much you can do, this has happened before and it's pretty random but that isn't exactly on AEW when the viewership pool as a whole seems like it just dipped last night, for everything. Like I already mentioned, cable was down because there was nothing else big on TV, like last week’s College World Series. The Housewives show that airs head to head with AEW went up in the demo and in viewership from last week. Cable viewing being down is only an excuse if there is a reason like cable outages around the country or it being a holiday or something like that. For a run of the mill Wednesday, that’s not really relevant to the conversation, in my opinion.
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jun 29, 2023 16:21:08 GMT -5
All I know is that I saw Punk was on Dynamite last week and didnt feel like watching this one Yep. Dude's mere presence has fully chased me away from the product.
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