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Post by markymark on Jun 29, 2023 17:09:43 GMT -5
Im happy that Dark Order will likely now become an ROH act because their segments have been doing bad for the past year outside of Mox vs Uno, maybe consider moving JB vs Hook to Rampage and make it to the top story there, start already the Sammy/Jericho feud which leads to JAS being done for good, idk if its now a good idea to drag the Outcast story until All In/All Out.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 29, 2023 17:20:04 GMT -5
Im happy that Dark Order will likely now become an ROH act because their segments have been doing bad for the past year outside of Mox vs Uno, maybe consider moving JB vs Hook to Rampage and make it to the top story there, start already the Sammy/Jericho feud which leads to JAS being done for good, idk if its now a good idea to drag the Outcast story until All In/All Out. The one segment a month they get where people just shit on then or beat then?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 17:20:07 GMT -5
I am honestly burned out on AEW choice of pushes, I know there is such a thing as estabilished stars but it does feel like the AEW I loved and its wrestlers were basically shoved out of the picture. If I wanted to watch Bryan, Cole, Jericho ,CM Punk, Saraya, Tony ,Riho,FTR ALL the time I would watch old episodes of WWE. And I really believe there is more that feel like me, that just feel like AEW isnt the same show anymore This is me. I was excited for early AEW because it felt like there was a bumper crop of new stars building. Now, those guys feel pushed to the margins for a bunch of guys from late-00s to early-10's WWE stars. Orange Cassidy, Kenny Omega, The Young Bucks, Eddie Kingston, Wheeler Yuta, Konosuke Takeshita, HOOK, The Acclaimed, Jungle Boy, Luchasaurus, Wardlow, MJF, Ricky Starks, Jay White, Juice Robinson, Powehrouse Hobbs, 2.0, Kris Statlander, Jade Cargill, Hikaru Shida, Sammy Guevara, Daniel Garcia, Riho, Nyla, Darby Allin, Lucha Bros, Vikingo, Britt Baker, Jamie Hayter, Thunder Rosa, Willow Nightingale, Tay Melo, Anna Jay, Swerve, Mogul Embassy, RUSH, Brody King, Harley Cameron, The Gunns, Mark Briscoe Off the top of my head, these are all guys and girls who were never in WWE or were barely there, who are all currently always on TV, getting pushed in TV programs, or being built up as potential stars, champions, or have already been or are currently champions of AEW titles or other companies titles within the past year. I think it's very disingenuous to say that all AEW is doing is "Pushing Ex WWE stars", even more so to act like those ex-WWE Stars were doing the exact same thing in AEW so "If you wanted to watch them you could just watch old WWE shows", like that's both an insult to the wrestlers themselves and the work they are putting into AEW like Ruby who never got to cut a promo like she did last night, Toni who was selling getting pied in the face by Charlotte, Miro with his presentations and aura, Christian with some of the best heel work in wrestling and in his career, Danielson and Mox in general, CM Punk's initial run which lead to one of the top feuds in AEW history with MJF in many peoples minds, and Jericho who has knocked a lot of his run out of the park, etc. They aren't being pushed away, they're still there, and they're still being featured in prominent ways up and down the cards. Fair enough if you think there are other wrestlers who deserve more of a push or should be pushed harder but AEW has not become some TNA 2.0 or something, the rosters constantly intermingle with one another and it's far from "WWE Guys only get pushed and win lol", and a lot of the guys and girls I mentioned are far from that, and spent more time on the Indies than they even did WWE, so I also think that's pretty disingenuous Bit of a ramble here but... yeah, this is something I contest greatly in my own opinion of the product.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 17:23:25 GMT -5
Im happy that Dark Order will likely now become an ROH act because their segments have been doing bad for the past year outside of Mox vs Uno, maybe consider moving JB vs Hook to Rampage and make it to the top story there, start already the Sammy/Jericho feud which leads to JAS being done for good, idk if its now a good idea to drag the Outcast story until All In/All Out. The one segment a month they get where people just shit on then or beat then? Since you didn't watch the show, the segment was fantastic and literally had some FAN board members feeling upset at what was happening, in a storyline sense, because it was compelling in what it did. They were angry at Hangman for abandoning them, they essentially said their friendship with Hangman was through because he chose The Elite, they had a trios match, a really good one, with multiple spots of Hangman holding back and not wanting to hurt them. After he finally did the Buckshot, he about cried over Silver, until Dark Order shoved him away. Which ended with The Elite getting jumped and beaten down by BCC from behind, and Hangman getting stuck with the screwdriver, as Dark Order watched on in ring... and abandoned him, he watched them leave, bloodied face, heartbroken as the beatdown continued. It was f***ing great, one of the best things Dark Order has done in ages So yeah it's annoying when I see posts like "Thank god we probably never see them again cause the rating this week wasn't good (They didn't even have the lowest segment of the night, not even close) or that people just think of their act as a joke, when they can still produce moments like this I hope it leads to more from Dark Order, because it was the highlight of the show for me outside of Sting somehow having the hops he still does to make an outside table spot work lol
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jun 29, 2023 17:25:16 GMT -5
Im happy that Dark Order will likely now become an ROH act because their segments have been doing bad for the past year outside of Mox vs Uno, maybe consider moving JB vs Hook to Rampage and make it to the top story there, start already the Sammy/Jericho feud which leads to JAS being done for good, idk if its now a good idea to drag the Outcast story until All In/All Out. The one segment a month they get where people just shit on then or beat then? Seriously, remember when the DO were major supporting players in main event feuds? Now they're just.....there.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 17:26:53 GMT -5
The one segment a month they get where people just shit on then or beat then? Seriously, remember when the DO were major supporting players in main event feuds? Now they're just.....there. I refer you to my above post where they had maybe their best segment and match in a year where it felt like they were actively giving them something to build off of, which I hope is the case because it really was a terrific segment that shows that Dark Order still matter.
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jun 29, 2023 17:29:28 GMT -5
Seriously, remember when the DO were major supporting players in main event feuds? Now they're just.....there. I refer you to my above post where they had maybe their best segment and match in a year where it felt like they were actively giving them something to build off of, which I hope is the case because it really was a terrific segment that shows that Dark Order still matter. Dude, as has been said earlier, not every single critique requires your input. Especially if you think you've already made your point.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 17:32:54 GMT -5
I refer you to my above post where they had maybe their best segment and match in a year where it felt like they were actively giving them something to build off of, which I hope is the case because it really was a terrific segment that shows that Dark Order still matter. Dude, as has been said earlier, not every single critique requires your input. Especially if you think you've already made your point. I was more referring to you that Dark Order did something pretty cool on the show you and Dub didn't watch since you seem content calling them losers who will never do anything anymore? Like fair enough if you don't care in the end I just think Dark Order deserve their due, that segment was great and a lot of people got invested in it, it's really shit to see someone comment that they should never be on AEW again because of a f***ing one week rating. Which wasn't you, in fairness, but I want to push that the segments worth seeking out.
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Post by asuka007 on Jun 29, 2023 17:33:42 GMT -5
Im happy that Dark Order will likely now become an ROH act because their segments have been doing bad for the past year outside of Mox vs Uno, maybe consider moving JB vs Hook to Rampage and make it to the top story there, start already the Sammy/Jericho feud which leads to JAS being done for good, idk if its now a good idea to drag the Outcast story until All In/All Out. The Dark Order never win on TV anymore. Heck they rarely appear on TV period anymore. They’re an ice cold faction (not their fault). Heck most of this story between them and Hangman has been told on YouTube.
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Post by markymark on Jun 29, 2023 17:42:56 GMT -5
The one segment a month they get where people just shit on then or beat then? Seriously, remember when the DO were major supporting players in main event feuds? Now they're just.....there.
They shouldve pushed them after that promo in Rochester last year, then the moment Anna joins JAS the group went downhill to the point of no recovery.
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jun 29, 2023 17:43:50 GMT -5
Seriously, remember when the DO were major supporting players in main event feuds? Now they're just.....there.
They shouldve pushed them after that promo in Rochester last year, then the moment Anna joins JAS the group went downhill to the point of no recovery.
Which, it's crazy that Anna Jay was the fulcrum there. Don't get me wrong, I like Anna Jay, just....weird.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 29, 2023 17:45:41 GMT -5
Really any chance of taking the Dark Order remotely f***ing seriously died when they did the whole, "Yes, we're going to do this for Hangman and a tag title shot, we're bringing our best, look at our epic cowboy entrance!" and then they got completely squashed.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 17:46:18 GMT -5
Seriously, remember when the DO were major supporting players in main event feuds? Now they're just.....there.
They shouldve pushed them after that promo in Rochester last year, then the moment Anna joins JAS the group went downhill to the point of no recovery.
Point of no recovery yet they got a highly praised match and segments this week that set up something interesting with the group potentially as we continue with the storyline? Like... nothing's ever truly beyond recovery if you care enough, and Dark Order were a huge part of that whole arc and it doesn't look like it's over, I hope not anyway
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 29, 2023 17:47:39 GMT -5
Really any chance of taking the Dark Order remotely f***ing seriously died when they did the whole, "Yes, we're going to do this for Hangman and a tag title shot, we're bringing our best, look at our epic cowboy entrance!" and then they got completely squashed. I think they need new members and a new focus, and this week seemed to be a shot at a decent start of that. But time will tell. I wouldn't have changed the outcome of that match because of Hangman's baby break but that seemed to be the decision on that one. I still think you can take Dark Order seriously but they need more stuff like this week, which worked really well to me.
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Post by r. on Jun 29, 2023 17:48:09 GMT -5
Such doom posting. Don't you know this is a good number?
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Post by r. on Jun 29, 2023 17:50:13 GMT -5
This week's Raw is the benefit of a company putting on consistent creative that people enjoy. More people are willing to tune in and check it out because they are expecting to see something they like. It's why every show they do is up year over year while the rest of cable continues to die. Reigns/Bloodline is a rising tide lifting the entire WWE ship. This week's Dynamite is the inverse. Weeks, if not months, of down creative leads less and less people to tune in. Can we not make this an AEW vs WWE thing? Especially when WWE fans really f***ing hated when people were doing that when AEW was getting better ratings? It's one week where all of Wednesday's cable numbers were down, and now we're making it into a company comparison as to why one is "flourishing" and another isn't because it's doing wrong things And I guess we're just gonna ignore that there was a stretch very recently of Dynamite being up year over year because this number at face value looks bad, because sure. AEW only ever edged out NXT. Now Its on par to be below that. Still waiting on that silver lining
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Post by Billie Gein on Jun 29, 2023 17:50:15 GMT -5
20.92% drop compared to last year's show btw, for anyone interested it is the biggest year-to-year drop Dynamite has had in 2023. Last year's show was a Blood & Guts special episode which probably accounts for a solid proportion of the large drop (alongside it being a down night for cable overall and the general coldness of AEW as a product).
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 29, 2023 17:51:18 GMT -5
Can we not make this an AEW vs WWE thing? Especially when WWE fans really f***ing hated when people were doing that when AEW was getting better ratings? It's one week where all of Wednesday's cable numbers were down, and now we're making it into a company comparison as to why one is "flourishing" and another isn't because it's doing wrong things And I guess we're just gonna ignore that there was a stretch very recently of Dynamite being up year over year because this number at face value looks bad, because sure. AEW only ever edged out NXT. Now Its on par to be below that. Still waiting on that silver lining NXT had their best rating in years last week, it didn't carry over to this week, and this Dynamite still did more viewers and a higher demo than that show did.
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Post by Billie Gein on Jun 29, 2023 18:03:36 GMT -5
more numbers bollocks for anyone interested: Dynamite averaged 855,462 viewers per show for the second quarter of the year, down 6.63% compared against the second quarter (Apr-Jun) of 2022, and their lowest average viewership for a quarterly period since the pandemic shows in Jacksonville ended. The average for last year in the same period was 916,231 viewers. I would expect stronger numbers in the third quarter (Jul-Sep) as that has been the pattern of the past couple of years.
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Post by r. on Jun 29, 2023 18:09:55 GMT -5
AEW only ever edged out NXT. Now Its on par to be below that. Still waiting on that silver lining NXT had their best rating in years last week, it didn't carry over to this week, and this Dynamite still did more viewers and a higher demo than that show did. For now. Give it time. I knew backing this company there would be bad times and here were are. Hopefully, they can weather the storm.
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