Chris Jericho is New Jack apparently

[Denny Zen is Cooking™]

Jan 12, 2024 14:57:39 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

Jan 12, 2024 14:09:27 GMT -5 eJm said:

Even then, it's under the assumption there is anything to address at all. Nothing has been said by anyone outside of an exceedingly unreliable source from 5 years ago. There isn't really a case for Jericho to be "innocent" of. Which leads us into...

If there's nothing to really address or claim for, this isn't them riding it out as much as going on business as usual because nobody has a reason (outside of crowd reactions) to address it. Which is the issue, again, with trying to throw stuff out there without the care and reporting that'd go into it.

And then this thing keeps going in circles and we keep trying to presume there are grounds when there are no grounds but people want to think they're grounds for various reasons so...yeah.

One of the cornerstones of the company is being booed out of every building with a noticeable chunk of people chanting at him that he's an abuser. To the point they are piping in his music to drown it out. That's pretty unprecedented and a good reason to address it.

I don't really get the 'well if you address this you'd have to address every random internet rumour' idea. No, but you probably should do something about the ones that are impacting the life and career of a (presumed) innocent man. Again, that's if there's nothing at all to this and it's just a malicious rumour. It just surprises me that, in that instance, nobody involved would be bothered about protecting Jericho's reputation.

Man, I disagree vehemently with this. What we have here is a certain group of wrestling fans attempting to hijack the shows and outwardly damage Jericho's reputation based upon nothing more than unsubstantiated internet gossip propagated by an openly biased blogger masquerading as a journalist. AEW acknowledging any of it would do nothing more than reward that behavior. The fans booing Jericho would be patting themselves on the back that they drew a reaction, and Hausman would be adulated as some kind of hero for setting it all in motion. That is the last thing you want. It was bad enough that AEW tacitly acknowledged it by blasting Jericho's music during his entrance, but at least that was subtle. 

And what, even, would AEW be expected to address? There's not even any concrete or tangible allegations out there. Right now, it seems like an especially loud minority of fans are getting pleasure out of stirring the pot. Even saying something like "AEW and Chris Jericho deny allegations that Chris Jericho has ever been involved in a sexual assault" would just: a) put Jericho in a Deshaun Watson situation, where he hasn't actually been convicted of anything, but forever has those kinds of allegations associated with him with the entire fanbase rather than just the vocal minority; and b) platform Kevin Hausman. 

This is that rare situation to me where just letting it blowover is the right move. Maybe take Jericho off TV for a bit after the tag title match, but nothing beyond that. 

[stoptheclocks]

Jan 12, 2024 15:52:55 GMT -5 Denny Zen is Cooking™ said:

Jan 12, 2024 14:57:39 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

One of the cornerstones of the company is being booed out of every building with a noticeable chunk of people chanting at him that he's an abuser. To the point they are piping in his music to drown it out. That's pretty unprecedented and a good reason to address it.

I don't really get the 'well if you address this you'd have to address every random internet rumour' idea. No, but you probably should do something about the ones that are impacting the life and career of a (presumed) innocent man. Again, that's if there's nothing at all to this and it's just a malicious rumour. It just surprises me that, in that instance, nobody involved would be bothered about protecting Jericho's reputation.

Man, I disagree vehemently with this. What we have here is a certain group of wrestling fans attempting to hijack the shows and outwardly damage Jericho's reputation based upon nothing more than unsubstantiated internet gossip propagated by an openly biased blogger masquerading as a journalist. AEW acknowledging any of it would do nothing more than reward that behavior. The fans booing Jericho would be patting themselves on the back that they drew a reaction, and Hausman would be adulated as some kind of hero for setting it all in motion. That is the last thing you want. It was bad enough that AEW tacitly acknowledged it by blasting Jericho's music during his entrance, but at least that was subtle. 

And what, even, would AEW be expected to address? There's not even any concrete or tangible allegations out there. Right now, it seems like an especially loud minority of fans are getting pleasure out of stirring the pot. Even saying something like "AEW and Chris Jericho deny allegations that Chris Jericho has ever been involved in a sexual assault" would just: a) put Jericho in a Deshaun Watson situation, where he hasn't actually been convicted of anything, but forever has those kinds of allegations associated with him with the entire fanbase rather than just the vocal minority; and b) platform Kevin Hausman. 

This is that rare situation to me where just letting it blowover is the right move. Maybe take Jericho off TV for a bit after the tag title match, but nothing beyond that. 

I'll just say to start, this is all a perfectly fair and valid take on it.

To me, this became different as soon as it went beyond the internet and made its way onto AEW TV. Different crowds in different places booing and chanting at Jericho over these allegations. The horse has bolted in terms of trying to let this blow over and not have Jericho's name associated with it. Acknowledge it or don't, this is sticking with him until something proves otherwise.

I'm not really asking for a press conference. I'm just surprised that if it's as simple as Kylie Rae's tweet mistakenly endorsing something she didn't intend - then I'm struggling to see the downside in AEW/Jericho politely pointing out to her the damage it's doing. And I'm struggling to see, if it was a mistake, why she wouldn't want to make that clear and at least somewhat mitigate the damage that's being done to an innocent man.

[Denny Zen is Cooking™]

Jan 12, 2024 16:12:55 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

Jan 12, 2024 15:52:55 GMT -5 Denny Zen is Cooking™ said:

Man, I disagree vehemently with this. What we have here is a certain group of wrestling fans attempting to hijack the shows and outwardly damage Jericho's reputation based upon nothing more than unsubstantiated internet gossip propagated by an openly biased blogger masquerading as a journalist. AEW acknowledging any of it would do nothing more than reward that behavior. The fans booing Jericho would be patting themselves on the back that they drew a reaction, and Hausman would be adulated as some kind of hero for setting it all in motion. That is the last thing you want. It was bad enough that AEW tacitly acknowledged it by blasting Jericho's music during his entrance, but at least that was subtle. 

And what, even, would AEW be expected to address? There's not even any concrete or tangible allegations out there. Right now, it seems like an especially loud minority of fans are getting pleasure out of stirring the pot. Even saying something like "AEW and Chris Jericho deny allegations that Chris Jericho has ever been involved in a sexual assault" would just: a) put Jericho in a Deshaun Watson situation, where he hasn't actually been convicted of anything, but forever has those kinds of allegations associated with him with the entire fanbase rather than just the vocal minority; and b) platform Kevin Hausman. 

This is that rare situation to me where just letting it blowover is the right move. Maybe take Jericho off TV for a bit after the tag title match, but nothing beyond that. 

I'll just say to start, this is all a perfectly fair and valid take on it.

To me, this became different as soon as it went beyond the internet and made its way onto AEW TV. Different crowds in different places booing and chanting at Jericho over these allegations. The horse has bolted in terms of trying to let this blow over and not have Jericho's name associated with it. Acknowledge it or don't, this is sticking with him until something proves otherwise.

I'm not really asking for a press conference. I'm just surprised that if it's as simple as Kylie Rae's tweet mistakenly endorsing something she didn't intend - then I'm struggling to see the downside in AEW/Jericho politely pointing out to her the damage it's doing. And I'm struggling to see, if it was a mistake, why she wouldn't want to make that clear and at least somewhat mitigate the damage that's being done to an innocent man.

I personally think it's somewhere in the middle of all of that, and that's what makes what Hausman did so rotten. I agree that it's disingenuous (though not necessarily impossible) to suggest that Kylie's actions on Twitter were a mistake. She, very probably, intended to throw some shade in Jericho's direction and endorse the "rumor" that he made a pass at her and made her uncomfortable enough to leave the company. But, clearly, she either doesn't want to, or can't talk about it beyond that. Same with Jericho. Hausman evoking Harvey Weinstein's name has escalated it to the point that people are openly accusing Jericho of being a sexual predator when, really, nothing about the rumors that Kylie was reacting to suggest that in any way, shape, or form. 

Jericho's probably not an "innocent man," but he's also probably not a rapist, and his hands are seemingly tied to be able to do much of anything about the harm Hasuman has caused to his reputation short of filing a defamation lawsuit. Meanwhile Kylie, who I don't think it can be overstated enough is a new mother with a well-documented history of mental health issues and social anxiety, has presumably had 5-year-old trauma that she may not even be legally allowed to discuss dredged up for no other reason than some Z-tier "journalist" trying to win brownie points with a Straight Edge manchild. 

And what do you do if you're Jericho? I made the Deshaun Watson comparison very pointedly. At one point, that guy was my favorite athlete. He won my alma mater a National Championship and seemed like a great dude off the field. He issued a statement categorically denying the allegations that were being levied against him and then was not indicted by a grand jury for anything. He's been as exonerated as a person can be in the eyes of the law. But, like Jericho, he's probably not an "innocent man," the allegations persist, and he has the reputation of being a sex pest. I am Browns fan, who is a Clemson alum, and I don't even root for the guy anymore because his reputation precedes him so strongly these days. 

TL; DR: f*** Hausman for putting everyone in this trick box and being the catalyst for all of this.

[khali]

It can’t be said enough that there’s nothing for AEW to address or respond to because nothing has been said. It’s not their job to try to explain what Kylie Rae replying with a heart means, and it’s certainly to her responsibility to have to explain why she liked certain tweets. There is nothing to respond to here.

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

Jan 12, 2024 10:01:44 GMT -5 Zone Was Wrong said:

I am SO tired of this Jericho stuff at this point. The discourse is so exhausting all because one jackass decided to fish for SA accusations towards Jericho without any sort evidence and then everyone and their brother has tried to read tea leaves of Kylie's likes and a frigging heart emoji.

there's nothing that can really be done about it though. it isn't like TK/Jericho can go out there and be like "oh he/I didn't do anything" because all that does is incentivize bootleg Pete Select to continue with that type of tactic to gain clicks/views. if they don't do anything, the booing will continue until probably a heel run and I don't know about you but giving someone a heel turn because of the fans booing what seems to be false accusations really unsettles me. so would taking him off TV.

they're in a spot where there's pretty much nothing that can help right now.

[markymark]

A report of a fan who went to Dailys place on Wednesday.

Ricky Starks was shockingly underwhelming in person. His entrance got virtually no reaction, a hot crowd totally died from the jump in this match, and in person he seemed like a guy who maybe I mistook for being wildly charismatic because he looks a little like The Rock. Roderick Strong was way more over than Ricky and I left feeling like losing him to WWE wouldn’t even be that big of a loss.

-It was a very Chris Jericho-friendly crowd. He got a huge reaction and I don’t think turning off the music would have resulted in many audible boos.

www.pwtorch.com/site/2024/01/11/aew-dynamite-on-site-report-1-10-in-person-observations-on-two-wrestlers-who-were-most-popular-samoa-joes-aura-tony-khans-off-air-speeches-to-crowd-jericho-crowd-reaction/

[Allie Kitsune]

Jan 12, 2024 16:50:27 GMT -5 UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm said:

Jan 12, 2024 10:01:44 GMT -5 Zone Was Wrong said:

I am SO tired of this Jericho stuff at this point. The discourse is so exhausting all because one jackass decided to fish for SA accusations towards Jericho without any sort evidence and then everyone and their brother has tried to read tea leaves of Kylie's likes and a frigging heart emoji.

there's nothing that can really be done about it though. it isn't like TK/Jericho can go out there and be like "oh he/I didn't do anything" because all that does is incentivize bootleg Pete Select to continue with that type of tactic to gain clicks/views. if they don't do anything, the booing will continue until probably a heel run and I don't know about you but giving someone a heel turn because of the fans booing what seems to be false accusations really unsettles me. so would taking him off TV.

they're in a spot where there's pretty much nothing that can help right now.

I don't think a heel run would do it.

People want him off TV.

And it's tough, because, sure, whatever, he's stale and people are sick of him, but also it still doesn't quite feel right to send him to the Phantom Zone when nobody's even concretely pinned him down for a crime.

[Fade is a CodyCryBaby]

Jan 12, 2024 17:15:11 GMT -5 markymark said:

A report of a fan who went to Dailys place on Wednesday.

Ricky Starks was shockingly underwhelming in person. His entrance got virtually no reaction, a hot crowd totally died from the jump in this match, and in person he seemed like a guy who maybe I mistook for being wildly charismatic because he looks a little like The Rock. Roderick Strong was way more over than Ricky and I left feeling like losing him to WWE wouldn’t even be that big of a loss.

-It was a very Chris Jericho-friendly crowd. He got a huge reaction and I don’t think turning off the music would have resulted in many audible boos.

www.pwtorch.com/site/2024/01/11/aew-dynamite-on-site-report-1-10-in-person-observations-on-two-wrestlers-who-were-most-popular-samoa-joes-aura-tony-khans-off-air-speeches-to-crowd-jericho-crowd-reaction/

Lol they played themselves

[jm]

Here's something that the "AEW/Jericho need to say something" crowd need to understand: it doesn't matter if AEW/Jericho say anything. The people who believe Jericho is guilty have dug their heels deep into it, and literally nothing will change their mind. Kylie Rae could literally have a press conference saying that Jericho never did anything to her, and the Jericho is guilty crowd would move the goalposts and find another way to justify why Jericho is a sexual predator. It doesn't matter what AEW/Jericho say. It simply doesn't.

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

Jan 12, 2024 17:15:55 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Jan 12, 2024 16:50:27 GMT -5 UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm said:

there's nothing that can really be done about it though. it isn't like TK/Jericho can go out there and be like "oh he/I didn't do anything" because all that does is incentivize bootleg Pete Select to continue with that type of tactic to gain clicks/views. if they don't do anything, the booing will continue until probably a heel run and I don't know about you but giving someone a heel turn because of the fans booing what seems to be false accusations really unsettles me. so would taking him off TV.

they're in a spot where there's pretty much nothing that can help right now.

I don't think a heel run would do it.

People want him off TV.

And it's tough, because, sure, whatever, he's stale and people are sick of him, but also it still doesn't quite feel right to send him to the Phantom Zone when nobody's even concretely pinned him down for a crime.

its just ridiculously bad timing, if there is a good time for any of this shit. people were tired of him on TV, real tired but taking him off TV now would be just wrong. i get that there are tough decisions that every company has to make but surely there has to be something besides punishing someone for something that to our knowledge, hasn't been accused of or did

[Chuck Conry]

What did I miss? Why is he New Jack?

[coleslaw]

Jan 12, 2024 17:24:43 GMT -5 Chuck Conry said:

What did I miss? Why is he New Jack?

He really hates Vic Grimes

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jan 12, 2024 17:17:19 GMT -5 Fade is a CodyCryBaby said:

Jan 12, 2024 17:15:11 GMT -5 markymark said:

A report of a fan who went to Dailys place on Wednesday.

www.pwtorch.com/site/2024/01/11/aew-dynamite-on-site-report-1-10-in-person-observations-on-two-wrestlers-who-were-most-popular-samoa-joes-aura-tony-khans-off-air-speeches-to-crowd-jericho-crowd-reaction/

Lol they played themselves

Was it ever even confirmed that playing the music straight through was to drown out potential boos? Or did we all just assume that?

Don't see how they played themselves regardless, what normal fan is going to think about the theme playing longer?

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jan 12, 2024 17:15:11 GMT -5 markymark said:

A report of a fan who went to Dailys place on Wednesday.

Ricky Starks was shockingly underwhelming in person. His entrance got virtually no reaction, a hot crowd totally died from the jump in this match, and in person he seemed like a guy who maybe I mistook for being wildly charismatic because he looks a little like The Rock. Roderick Strong was way more over than Ricky and I left feeling like losing him to WWE wouldn’t even be that big of a loss.

-It was a very Chris Jericho-friendly crowd. He got a huge reaction and I don’t think turning off the music would have resulted in many audible boos.

www.pwtorch.com/site/2024/01/11/aew-dynamite-on-site-report-1-10-in-person-observations-on-two-wrestlers-who-were-most-popular-samoa-joes-aura-tony-khans-off-air-speeches-to-crowd-jericho-crowd-reaction/

This report seems really weirdly unkind to Ricky. Like Ricky has gotten plenty of reaction elsewhere, this seems like it's really downplaying him from a specific fan who seems like they don't care if they leaves because they personally don't like him. Ricky's been white hot over multiple times, not really hit fault this storyline has hit several snags

[Fade is a CodyCryBaby]

Jan 12, 2024 18:16:19 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jan 12, 2024 17:17:19 GMT -5 Fade is a CodyCryBaby said:

Lol they played themselves

Was it ever even confirmed that playing the music straight through was to drown out potential boos? Or did we all just assume that?

It’s obvious. Painfully.

Don't see how they played themselves regardless, what normal fan is going to think about the theme playing longer?

Certainly not AEW’s fan base that’s glued to the internet

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

I would be worried after they booed Jericho last week, so I don't think they played themselves, I think they wanted to see just how bad it was

If Jericho got cheered at Daily's then maybe it's fading out, and it SHOULD fade out, it's complete bullshit

Idk I don't see it as AEW taking an L here or something, nothing they've done has even really been their faults in this situation.

[Axel Dieter jr.]

I totally understand the booing - how many times was Tony asked about the situation at the scrum? Three times? And he didn't answer anything. He only had to say: "No, nothing like that ever happened. Jericho did nothing wrong. There is no NDA in place."

But Tony said NOTHING - even when specifically asked about it. He totally dodged the question, every time. And that's why people assume that there's something to it, something must have happened.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jan 12, 2024 20:19:28 GMT -5 Axel Dieter jr. said:

I totally understand the booing - how many times was Tony asked about the situation at the scrum? Three times? And he didn't answer anything. He only had to say: "No, nothing like that ever happened. Jericho did nothing wrong. There is no NDA in place."

But Tony said NOTHING - even when specifically asked about it. He totally dodged the question, every time. And that's why people assume that there's something to it, something must have happened.

No, that does not mean something must have happened, and Tony did not say nothing about it, he said the Hausman shit was unfounded internet rumors and they have a safety committee in place for any and all serious allegations within the company

There was nothing else to respond to, he's not going to talk about Twitter hearts and what they may or may not mean. Jericho did not have a serious accusation placed against him with any proof

The people booing want to ruin Jericho's career and want something to be there because despite Hausman being completely and utterly shafted they need to be right and need to take Jericho down even if there's nothing tangible there in the slightest

At this point it's teetering on the line of conspiracy theories if we're gonna be looking at Khan's scrum response and going "See that means something HAD to have happened", no, it means that there's literally nothing concrete to respond to other than what and how he did, multiple times.

Tony Khan and Chris Jericho currently do not owe anyone else any further elaboration unless something of actual substance comes to light. The people booing until then are just being spiteful as hell in my honest opinion.

[Axel Dieter jr.]

Like I said, one sentence and be done with it: "It didn't happen, it's all bull." But if he did, it might have been a lie, to which a judge could come back to in the future.

And the committee wasn't even a thing four years ago.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jan 12, 2024 20:38:45 GMT -5 Axel Dieter jr. said:

Like I said, one sentence and be done with it: "It didn't happen, it's all bull." But if he did, it might have been a lie, to which a judge could come back to in the future.

And the committee wasn't even a thing four years ago.

Khan said at the scrum the committee was a thing when AEW was created and it was always in place for these situations, so it's always been there in some form.