|
Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2024 3:21:32 GMT -5
The fact that people are still saying AEW/Jericho should deny something happened when we still don’t know what happened in the first place and nobody has said what’s happened (something I’ve asked for new info about repeatedly from people who keep saying it’s there) is why we’re going in circles in this thing in the first place.
|
|
|
Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 13, 2024 6:47:36 GMT -5
But if Kylie hasn’t said anything wouldn’t that lean towards there being a NDA in place? She could clear his name in second, but she hasn’t. Kylie is under no obligation to say anything to clarify a clusterf*** of a situation Hausman started, especially as someone who has had a lot of mental health struggles and is a new parent. Frankly, I can’t even believe it’s now come to the level of “Kylie could say something you know!!!” No, she doesn’t need to. Maybe she saw how much people freaked out over heart and decided not to deal with Internet dorks about it. Especially if those likes and the heart emoji was her getting ready to say "That all happened", and Hausman destroyed it all by saying "I made it up." Now, if she was a victim, it's gonna be worse for her if she came forward to say that she's a victim. All Hausman did was make it harder for victims to come forward.
|
|
markymark
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Posts: 18,279
|
Post by markymark on Jan 13, 2024 11:01:32 GMT -5
I totally understand the booing - how many times was Tony asked about the situation at the scrum? Three times? And he didn't answer anything. He only had to say: "No, nothing like that ever happened. Jericho did nothing wrong. There is no NDA in place." But Tony said NOTHING - even when specifically asked about it. He totally dodged the question, every time. And that's why people assume that there's something to it, something must have happened.
Did he even say anything when Cash Wheeler got arrested?
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 13, 2024 11:15:01 GMT -5
My 2 cents, I don't feel sorry for the clown
|
|
|
Post by James Fabiano on Jan 13, 2024 11:17:27 GMT -5
The whole thing makes me physically ill. Jericho has unsubstantiated sexual assault allegations thrust upon him by a bullshit merchant, the bullshit merchant admits he did it in order to win a Twitter spat, and people boo him so much that they have to play Judas nonstop in order to drown out the boos. Less than a half hour later: Ric Flair, who has a history of sexual assault allegations including one of his accusers appearing on camera and telling her story as to how he sexually violated her, gets lots of cheer and wooing from the same crowd that booed Jericho earlier. Wrestling fans suck. I think the more online type of fan (AEW more than WWE nowadays) are just over Jericho in general and now this is an excuse to go all in on him. Classic case of "I like him*, he's innocent/I hate him, he totally did it!" God, people are still in denial over Benoit because of this. (yeah I know there's some who are about rationalizing what led to the tragedy...but there are also types who go to unrealistic extremes to prove this) That or the Jericho stuff is just fresher in everyone's mind? But yeah...wrestling fandom is not a "get behind nice people" fandom. * - "He was a great performer" or "I liked him when I was a kid" can be substituted here too. EDIT: Remembering that Bill is involved in this feud...I am glad the meme/joke about Jericho bringing in nZo turned out to be false indeed, being in this situation now.
|
|
|
Post by mrpeacock on Jan 13, 2024 11:19:38 GMT -5
I totally understand the booing - how many times was Tony asked about the situation at the scrum? Three times? And he didn't answer anything. He only had to say: "No, nothing like that ever happened. Jericho did nothing wrong. There is no NDA in place." But Tony said NOTHING - even when specifically asked about it. He totally dodged the question, every time. And that's why people assume that there's something to it, something must have happened.
Did he even say anything when Cash Wheeler got arrested?
He addressed it full on. www.wrestlinginc.com/1372899/aew-tony-khan-addresses-daniel-cash-wheeler-arrest-legal-matters/
|
|
|
Post by James Fabiano on Jan 13, 2024 11:33:59 GMT -5
“Frankly the fans can react however they want; Thats what’s great about AEW Wrestling & pro wrestling: We’re not trying to tell people what to think” - Tony Khan i'll give them a pass on this one because they're not known for doing it but WWE did this shit for years, it bothered the f*** out of me constantly. i don't know what you can do with the jericho character right now if you're going to go business as usual but blasting his music trying to drown out any crowd reaction is not the way to go, it just making shit worse for sure. Decades even: see: the dubbed over crowd sounds on the syndicated shows and SNME. And...HOGAN AT ROYAL RUMBLE 1992 especially. Still...same coin, different sides. Who knew?
|
|
|
Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jan 13, 2024 11:34:48 GMT -5
We are really trying to go full Simone Biles levels of gymnastics to try and find some fault in Tony Khan for this Jericho situation. What he said about Cash Wheeler: “I'm still learning facts, but based on the information we have at this time, we're still keeping an eye on that situation, and at this time I think it's a very inconclusive situation. It differs from other times, where we've come in and weighed in on a situation or acted on a situation based on the evidence, because in this case and everything we're looking at, I don't think we have those facts right now. At this point, I think it's rather inconclusive.” What he said about Chris Jericho: “I can’t speak to internet and unsourced rumors… I think I spoke earlier to Kevin and mentioned the policy we have in place and the disciplinary process. We’ve always followed that and I believe AEW is the safest wrestling company in the world and we have the best track record for safety and I would hold it up to anybody and any time anybody has any kind of complaint, they have an open door, again, to say it to me or to anyone in the office and we would look into it any time.” Both of those are curated, lawyer-friendly answers basically saying in no uncertain terms that the company is not in a position to punish people for inconclusive and/or unsourced rumors. I seriously can’t understand how the way he addressed Cash differs in any meaningful way from the way he addressed Jericho, except that Cash actually got arrested and no one can even articulate exactly what it is that Jericho is accused of doing.
|
|
|
Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2024 11:47:14 GMT -5
Are we really comparing a man who was arrested by police and likely had eye witnesses and statements concerning the events last year to something that hasn’t had any new info or anything of real substance come out for 5 years?
Seriously, explain it to me like I’m 5 because I don’t know what’s going on anymore.
EDIT: Also, if you really want something to dislike Jericho for, look up a petition he signed today and, obviously, don’t bring that up here but my point is there is proof he signed it by looking at it.
|
|
|
Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 13, 2024 12:42:30 GMT -5
My 2 cents, I don't feel sorry for the clown
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 13, 2024 12:50:19 GMT -5
Am I the only one who gets the impression people are using the Hausman comments as a reason to justify disliking Chris Jericho and/or Tony Khan? Like like or dislike, there's plenty of reason for both towards both guys but feels like people are hanging onto that one comment made out of spite as a reason to justify their feelings.
|
|
|
Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 13, 2024 13:03:12 GMT -5
Am I the only one who gets the impression people are using the Hausman comments as a reason to justify disliking Chris Jericho and/or Tony Khan? Like like or dislike, there's plenty of reason for both towards both guys but feels like people are hanging onto that one comment made out of spite as a reason to justify their feelings. Definitely a part of Jericho fatigue. But what’s happened has also happened. Ppl can exhaustingly go over the fact it was Hausman, that all this could be nothing, Kylie and her history, etc etc etc but it’s out. At least online. And Tony didn’t nip it in the bud. And before anyone starts proclaiming there’s no “it”, yea lol, you might be right but the “it” now is the backlash which we’ve yet to see if it’ll persist. At least with live crowds. It literally relies on crowds to see if this persists or it just withers away
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 13, 2024 13:17:08 GMT -5
Am I the only one who gets the impression people are using the Hausman comments as a reason to justify disliking Chris Jericho and/or Tony Khan? Like like or dislike, there's plenty of reason for both towards both guys but feels like people are hanging onto that one comment made out of spite as a reason to justify their feelings. Definitely a part of Jericho fatigue. But what’s happened has also happened. Ppl can exhaustingly go over the fact it was Hausman, that all this could be nothing, Kylie and her history, etc etc etc but it’s out. At least online. And Tony didn’t nip it in the bud. And before anyone starts proclaiming there’s no “it”, yea lol, you might be right but the “it” now is the backlash which we’ve yet to see if it’ll persist. At least with live crowds. It literally relies on crowds to see if this persists or it just withers away Def Jericho fatigue is part of it but he has a history of shit that is now wide open for people to see as well It is not like he has a clean record of things over his years in wrestling and that can also drive up apathy that people pushed to the side because he was good or over. The fans will keep making their voices heard and we shall see if it dies down but the tag title match will def be a indicator of where things will stand for a while. If they strap him and Sammy up, they must expect this to go away sooner than later
|
|
Allie Kitsune
Crow T. Robot
Always Feelin' Foxy.
Celestial Princess in Exile.
Posts: 46,109
|
Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 13, 2024 13:25:48 GMT -5
Am I the only one who gets the impression people are using the Hausman comments as a reason to justify disliking Chris Jericho and/or Tony Khan? Like like or dislike, there's plenty of reason for both towards both guys but feels like people are hanging onto that one comment made out of spite as a reason to justify their feelings. Definitely a part of Jericho fatigue. But what’s happened has also happened. Ppl can exhaustingly go over the fact it was Hausman, that all this could be nothing, Kylie and her history, etc etc etc but it’s out. At least online. And Tony didn’t nip it in the bud. And before anyone starts proclaiming there’s no “it”, yea lol, you might be right but the “it” now is the backlash which we’ve yet to see if it’ll persist. At least with live crowds. It literally relies on crowds to see if this persists or it just withers away It will continue. Even if he's not Harvey Weinstein, this has empowered people who can't stand him for being a drunken jackass, for his [REDACTED] views, for his wife's [REDACTED] views, etc... (and please don't misread this, I'm not invalidating any of those reasons to dislike him) to pressure TK to get rid of him.
|
|
Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
Here since TNA was still kinda okay
Posts: 18,158
|
Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jan 13, 2024 13:55:09 GMT -5
But yeah...wrestling fandom is not a "get behind nice people" fandom. Two things come to mind with this. Kane was generally regarded for many years as one of the nicest dudes in wrestling, but look at him now. And it’s taken, what, 15+ years for Miz, who seems to be widely liked and respected by his peers and is, by basically all accounts, a chill family man, to get respect from the fans, and even still, there’s a large vocal group of fans that treat him like a cancer to the business.
|
|
|
Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2024 14:28:22 GMT -5
Am I the only one who gets the impression people are using the Hausman comments as a reason to justify disliking Chris Jericho and/or Tony Khan? Like like or dislike, there's plenty of reason for both towards both guys but feels like people are hanging onto that one comment made out of spite as a reason to justify their feelings. Very much so and honestly, in this situation and this situation only, it’s pretty gross. There are things you can say about both men that you can dislike with actual reasons to do so if you so wish but this case just feels disrespectful not just to the people like Kylie Rae but anyone who might be trying to get the courage to say something about an incident involving him or anyone else of that profile in the business (because there are people from the indies to WWE who have had accusations told about and either ignored or waited until it was a few months before they presumed people forgot).
|
|
|
Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 13, 2024 14:29:58 GMT -5
People just needed a reason to boo the man because he's boring as shit.
|
|
|
Post by James Fabiano on Jan 13, 2024 14:55:44 GMT -5
Two things come to mind with this. Kane was generally regarded for many years as one of the nicest dudes in wrestling, but look at him now. And it’s taken, what, 15+ years for Miz, who seems to be widely liked and respected by his peers and is, by basically all accounts, a chill family man, to get respect from the fans, and even still, there’s a large vocal group of fans that treat him like a cancer to the business. Like I said, to these types, Nostalgia or "talent" > how you are as a person. To some wrestling fans, the worst sin is not having workrate.
|
|
jm
Dennis Stamp
Posts: 4,087
|
Post by jm on Jan 13, 2024 15:03:54 GMT -5
Am I the only one who gets the impression people are using the Hausman comments as a reason to justify disliking Chris Jericho and/or Tony Khan? Like like or dislike, there's plenty of reason for both towards both guys but feels like people are hanging onto that one comment made out of spite as a reason to justify their feelings. That's what it has been from the start. People are using what Hausman said as a reason to go after Jericho and TK and AEW as a whole. Even after Hausman stated he made it up for the sole purpose of going after Jericho because he insulted his Pepsi senpai. It doesn't matter; people are using Hausman's words as a way to go after Jericho and AEW. People are using nonexistent sexual assault allegations as a weapon to go after a company they dislike because they think Jericho is boring or they hate Jericho's politics or some has-been podcaster told them to hate AEW because reasons. It's making a mockery of actual victims of sexual assault and reducing allegations of the sort into just a meme to use as a chant. It's honestly disgusting.
|
|
|
Post by ben:friendship frog on Jan 13, 2024 16:00:24 GMT -5
The fact that people are still saying AEW/Jericho should deny something happened when we still don’t know what happened in the first place and nobody has said what’s happened (something I’ve asked for new info about repeatedly from people who keep saying it’s there) is why we’re going in circles in this thing in the first place. They could have denied if he had ever been under investigation, which was directly asked.
|
|