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Post by fw91 on Jan 13, 2024 16:03:48 GMT -5
I'm very lost as I haven't been keeping up with this so pardon if this all sounds ignorant- But is the story now that it's been proven that Jericho didn't do anything that bad but the public is still treating him like he did? What's with the New Jack analogy?
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Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2024 16:05:16 GMT -5
The fact that people are still saying AEW/Jericho should deny something happened when we still don’t know what happened in the first place and nobody has said what’s happened (something I’ve asked for new info about repeatedly from people who keep saying it’s there) is why we’re going in circles in this thing in the first place. They could have denied he was under investigation, which was directly asked. But what would he be under investigation for? Nobody has actually come out and accused him of anything and why I said I asked for that repeatedly. AEW isn't going to answer for something there's no question for. I'm very lost as I haven't been keeping up with this so pardon if this all sounds ignorant- But is the story now that it's been proven that Jericho didn't do anything that bad but the public is still treating him like he did? What's with the New Jack analogy? He hasn't been proven to have done anything bad because nobody's said anything about him doing anything bad. There's nothing to prove in or deny right now. And the New Jack analogy is them playing his music after he came out and during the rest of the segment, likely to drown out potential booing.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 13, 2024 16:12:50 GMT -5
I understand Tony Khan not wanting to set the precedent that he would essentially answer the question "has (insert wrestler) ever had any sort of HR related allegation come before you?" and I hope he would give a more clear response if a clear allegation did come to light.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 13, 2024 16:28:44 GMT -5
So out of curiosity and because people keep saying Tony should have addressed the Jericho stuff, I asked my dad his opinion because he's a lawyer. His thought was without an actual report or accusation, TK did the right thing. Basically it would unnecessarily open a can of worms and give credence to what Hausman said. Like even saying Nobody ever brought a concern about Chris Jericho to AEW would too much credence in his opinion.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 13, 2024 16:57:37 GMT -5
So out of curiosity and because people keep saying Tony should have addressed the Jericho stuff, I asked my dad his opinion because he's a lawyer. His thought was without an actual report or accusation, TK did the right thing. Basically it would unnecessarily open a can of worms and give credence to what Hausman said. Like even saying Nobody ever brought a concern about Chris Jericho to AEW would too much credence in his opinion. I'm guessing that's the thing his own legal counsel told him, too.
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Post by jm on Jan 13, 2024 17:00:36 GMT -5
So out of curiosity and because people keep saying Tony should have addressed the Jericho stuff, I asked my dad his opinion because he's a lawyer. His thought was without an actual report or accusation, TK did the right thing. Basically it would unnecessarily open a can of worms and give credence to what Hausman said. Like even saying Nobody ever brought a concern about Chris Jericho to AEW would too much credence in his opinion. But.......but.........Twitter likes and heart emojis are just as good as actual accusations right??! That's what random wrestling fans online have been saying since this all started!!!
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 13, 2024 17:08:59 GMT -5
Any lawyer worth a damn would also tell you that an NDA would no longer be valid in cases of sexual misconduct.
In fact, there was a law passed in the US in 2022 called the Speak Out Act that specifically prohibits using NDA's to cover up workplace sexual harassment or assault. One that made any existing NDA's for those purposes unenforceable by federal law (only exception seems to be those agreed to as part of legal settlements; and since we would've heard anything about Kylie taking AEW or Jericho to court, that doesn't apply here). So even if Kylie was under an NDA for that reason, it's no longer valid. She'd be completely in the clear to tell her story if one exists to tell.
Just an FYI, the law is way less restrictive than what you’re saying. It applies only to “pre-dispute” non disclosure/non disparagement agreements, and dispute is not defined as meaning a legal claim so it’s likely once there’s even been an allegation of something happening, the law no longer applies. For example, employee is sexually harassed, employee complains to boss, boss gives employee a severance agreement containing an NDA. Speak Out law is not applicable. Here’s a synopsis of that issue from a prominent firm: “the Act only applies to non-disclosure and non-disparagement provisions entered into “before the dispute arises.” While the meaning of this phrase likely will be the subject of litigation, it clearly allows such clauses in settlement and severance agreements entered into after a sexual harassment claim (and probably an allegation) has been communicated. This is less restrictive than initial versions of the bill,” www.foley.com/insights/publications/2022/12/speak-out-act-speaks-not-dramatically/
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 13, 2024 17:23:19 GMT -5
So out of curiosity and because people keep saying Tony should have addressed the Jericho stuff, I asked my dad his opinion because he's a lawyer. His thought was without an actual report or accusation, TK did the right thing. Basically it would unnecessarily open a can of worms and give credence to what Hausman said. Like even saying Nobody ever brought a concern about Chris Jericho to AEW would too much credence in his opinion. It’s certainly possible Khan already knows what happened if anything with Kylie’s exit. And yes if something had happened and that was the reason she left and things were signed, I sure as hell would be recommending he not discuss that in a public forum.
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Post by bob on Jan 13, 2024 17:31:29 GMT -5
I now look forward to Chris Jericho doing balcony dives
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jan 13, 2024 17:43:39 GMT -5
Any lawyer worth a damn would also tell you that an NDA would no longer be valid in cases of sexual misconduct.
In fact, there was a law passed in the US in 2022 called the Speak Out Act that specifically prohibits using NDA's to cover up workplace sexual harassment or assault. One that made any existing NDA's for those purposes unenforceable by federal law (only exception seems to be those agreed to as part of legal settlements; and since we would've heard anything about Kylie taking AEW or Jericho to court, that doesn't apply here). So even if Kylie was under an NDA for that reason, it's no longer valid. She'd be completely in the clear to tell her story if one exists to tell.
Just an FYI, the law is way less restrictive than what you’re saying. It applies only to “pre-dispute” non disclosure/non disparagement agreements, and dispute is not defined as meaning a legal claim so it’s likely once there’s even been an allegation of something happening, the law no longer applies. For example, employee is sexually harassed, employee complains to boss, boss gives employee a severance agreement containing an NDA. Speak Out law is not applicable. Here’s a synopsis of that issue from a prominent firm: “the Act only applies to non-disclosure and non-disparagement provisions entered into “before the dispute arises.” While the meaning of this phrase likely will be the subject of litigation, it clearly allows such clauses in settlement and severance agreements entered into after a sexual harassment claim (and probably an allegation) has been communicated. This is less restrictive than initial versions of the bill,” www.foley.com/insights/publications/2022/12/speak-out-act-speaks-not-dramatically/We’re definitely at the point where we’re rehashing the same talking points, but I think it’s probably worth noting a second time that an NDA could conceivably prevent Kylie Rae from discussing “hostile workplace” style sexual harassment, but it wouldn’t be able to prevent her from reporting criminal sexual assault. NDAs are just contracts, and a contract preventing the reporting of a crime will be voided as either unconscionable or against public policy 100% of the time. So, we’re obviously in a gray area here. Something may have happened. Some would argue that something probably did happen. But we have absolutely no way of knowing what that “something” is, except to say that it’s almost certainly wildly unfair for people to be accusing Jericho of being a “sexual predator” based on this alone.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 13, 2024 18:14:41 GMT -5
Just an FYI, the law is way less restrictive than what you’re saying. It applies only to “pre-dispute” non disclosure/non disparagement agreements, and dispute is not defined as meaning a legal claim so it’s likely once there’s even been an allegation of something happening, the law no longer applies. For example, employee is sexually harassed, employee complains to boss, boss gives employee a severance agreement containing an NDA. Speak Out law is not applicable. Here’s a synopsis of that issue from a prominent firm: “the Act only applies to non-disclosure and non-disparagement provisions entered into “before the dispute arises.” While the meaning of this phrase likely will be the subject of litigation, it clearly allows such clauses in settlement and severance agreements entered into after a sexual harassment claim (and probably an allegation) has been communicated. This is less restrictive than initial versions of the bill,” www.foley.com/insights/publications/2022/12/speak-out-act-speaks-not-dramatically/We’re definitely at the point where we’re rehashing the same talking points, but I think it’s probably worth noting a second time that an NDA could conceivably prevent Kylie Rae from discussing “hostile workplace” style sexual harassment, but it wouldn’t be able to prevent her from reporting criminal sexual assault. NDAs are just contracts, and a contract preventing the reporting of a crime will be voided as either unconscionable or against public policy 100% of the time. So, we’re obviously in a gray area here. Something may have happened. Some would argue that something probably did happen. But we have absolutely no way of knowing what that “something” is, except to say that it’s almost certainly wildly unfair for people to be accusing Jericho of being a “sexual predator” based on this alone. Right I’m talking about workplace style sexual harassment which seemed to be the rumored story going around, nothing criminal.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 13, 2024 18:23:19 GMT -5
I definitely believe that TK has been advised to "no comment" everything until he 100% has all the facts, which is something we're not used to seeing in the wild west of wrestling. He didn’t make a statement on Punk the first time he suspended him, and it took a week to make one when he got fired and even then it was a quick "this is the last and only time I'm talking about this".
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Post by mrpeacock on Jan 13, 2024 18:54:02 GMT -5
Just an FYI, the law is way less restrictive than what you’re saying. It applies only to “pre-dispute” non disclosure/non disparagement agreements, and dispute is not defined as meaning a legal claim so it’s likely once there’s even been an allegation of something happening, the law no longer applies. For example, employee is sexually harassed, employee complains to boss, boss gives employee a severance agreement containing an NDA. Speak Out law is not applicable. Here’s a synopsis of that issue from a prominent firm: “the Act only applies to non-disclosure and non-disparagement provisions entered into “before the dispute arises.” While the meaning of this phrase likely will be the subject of litigation, it clearly allows such clauses in settlement and severance agreements entered into after a sexual harassment claim (and probably an allegation) has been communicated. This is less restrictive than initial versions of the bill,” www.foley.com/insights/publications/2022/12/speak-out-act-speaks-not-dramatically/We’re definitely at the point where we’re rehashing the same talking points, but I think it’s probably worth noting a second time that an NDA could conceivably prevent Kylie Rae from discussing “hostile workplace” style sexual harassment, but it wouldn’t be able to prevent her from reporting criminal sexual assault. NDAs are just contracts, and a contract preventing the reporting of a crime will be voided as either unconscionable or against public policy 100% of the time. So, we’re obviously in a gray area here. Something may have happened. Some would argue that something probably did happen. But we have absolutely no way of knowing what that “something” is, except to say that it’s almost certainly wildly unfair for people to be accusing Jericho of being a “sexual predator” based on this alone. “An individual who employs predatory or abusive methods of obtaining sexual contact with another person” So the rumor going around has been Jericho invited her up to a hotel room with other people and there wasn’t other people. Just them alone and he made a move on her. Even if that’s all that happened, that’s predatory.
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Post by jm on Jan 13, 2024 19:04:37 GMT -5
We’re definitely at the point where we’re rehashing the same talking points, but I think it’s probably worth noting a second time that an NDA could conceivably prevent Kylie Rae from discussing “hostile workplace” style sexual harassment, but it wouldn’t be able to prevent her from reporting criminal sexual assault. NDAs are just contracts, and a contract preventing the reporting of a crime will be voided as either unconscionable or against public policy 100% of the time. So, we’re obviously in a gray area here. Something may have happened. Some would argue that something probably did happen. But we have absolutely no way of knowing what that “something” is, except to say that it’s almost certainly wildly unfair for people to be accusing Jericho of being a “sexual predator” based on this alone. “An individual who employs predatory or abusive methods of obtaining sexual contact with another person” So the rumor going around has been Jericho invited her up to a hotel room with other people and there wasn’t other people. Just them alone and he made a move on her. Even if that’s all that happened, that’s predatory. Has Kylie said that actually happened? Has Jericho said that actually happened? Has anyone with any actual knowledge of that event come out and said that happened? No. It's just rumors. Until someone comes out and actually says that that event actually happened, prosecuting Jericho as a sexual abuser and using chants to get to him is shameful behavior.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jan 13, 2024 19:10:42 GMT -5
We’re definitely at the point where we’re rehashing the same talking points, but I think it’s probably worth noting a second time that an NDA could conceivably prevent Kylie Rae from discussing “hostile workplace” style sexual harassment, but it wouldn’t be able to prevent her from reporting criminal sexual assault. NDAs are just contracts, and a contract preventing the reporting of a crime will be voided as either unconscionable or against public policy 100% of the time. So, we’re obviously in a gray area here. Something may have happened. Some would argue that something probably did happen. But we have absolutely no way of knowing what that “something” is, except to say that it’s almost certainly wildly unfair for people to be accusing Jericho of being a “sexual predator” based on this alone. “An individual who employs predatory or abusive methods of obtaining sexual contact with another person” So the rumor going around has been Jericho invited her up to a hotel room with other people and there wasn’t other people. Just them alone and he made a move on her. Even if that’s all that happened, that’s predatory. Yeah, sorry dude, I know you think Tony Khan is a clown and want this to be as bad as possible for AEW, but I just can’t agree with that. If that’s what happened (and again, that’s a big if…we have no idea) that’s scummy and sleazy, particularly given the age disparity and Jericho’s stature in the industry, but it’s not “predatory.” Especially if nothing beyond that happened. If we’re going to start calling being accused of making a pass at an attractive co-worker and being rebuked “predatory” and say that it warrants blacklisting someone from the industry, then I’m not sure we’ll have any wrestlers left.
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Post by 06vwgti on Jan 13, 2024 19:25:46 GMT -5
We’re definitely at the point where we’re rehashing the same talking points, but I think it’s probably worth noting a second time that an NDA could conceivably prevent Kylie Rae from discussing “hostile workplace” style sexual harassment, but it wouldn’t be able to prevent her from reporting criminal sexual assault. NDAs are just contracts, and a contract preventing the reporting of a crime will be voided as either unconscionable or against public policy 100% of the time. So, we’re obviously in a gray area here. Something may have happened. Some would argue that something probably did happen. But we have absolutely no way of knowing what that “something” is, except to say that it’s almost certainly wildly unfair for people to be accusing Jericho of being a “sexual predator” based on this alone. “An individual who employs predatory or abusive methods of obtaining sexual contact with another person” So the rumor going around has been Jericho invited her up to a hotel room with other people and there wasn’t other people. Just them alone and he made a move on her. Even if that’s all that happened, that’s predatory. Shouldnt you be posting a source?
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Post by Cyno on Jan 13, 2024 19:32:25 GMT -5
“An individual who employs predatory or abusive methods of obtaining sexual contact with another person” So the rumor going around has been Jericho invited her up to a hotel room with other people and there wasn’t other people. Just them alone and he made a move on her. Even if that’s all that happened, that’s predatory. Shouldnt you be posting a source? Source: wishful thinking
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Post by jm on Jan 13, 2024 19:36:48 GMT -5
“An individual who employs predatory or abusive methods of obtaining sexual contact with another person” So the rumor going around has been Jericho invited her up to a hotel room with other people and there wasn’t other people. Just them alone and he made a move on her. Even if that’s all that happened, that’s predatory. Shouldnt you be posting a source? Source: Trust Me Bro Times
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jan 13, 2024 19:36:50 GMT -5
“An individual who employs predatory or abusive methods of obtaining sexual contact with another person” So the rumor going around has been Jericho invited her up to a hotel room with other people and there wasn’t other people. Just them alone and he made a move on her. Even if that’s all that happened, that’s predatory. Shouldnt you be posting a source? Posting a googled definition of “sexual predator” which amounts to “a person who employs predatory methods to try and have sex” is so circular it’s impossible to source. It’s basically defining “predator” as “one who preys.” I’m bowing out of this conversation, though. The person I sympathize with the most in this situation is Kylie, not Jericho. Odds are Jericho is a little bit of a creep. It’s just that it’s not cool at all to accuse the guy of criminal sexual behavior solely because you think his boss is a goof and want the company he works for to fail.
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Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2024 19:38:38 GMT -5
Even better, I'm locking this thread too.
This topic is going around in circles and the people who want it to be true, I'd honestly respect them if they just said "I want this to be true because I hate Chris Jericho/Tony Khan/AEW/Whatever".
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