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Post by jm on Jan 12, 2024 20:41:50 GMT -5
Like I said, one sentence and be done with it: "It didn't happen, it's all bull." But if he did, it might have been a lie, to which a judge could come back to in the future. And the committee wasn't even a thing four years ago. Wait a second. You said in your previous post that because TK didn't say anything at the scrum, it must mean something happened. Now you say that if TK did say something, it must mean he's lying??
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Post by Axel Dieter jr. on Jan 12, 2024 20:44:52 GMT -5
I listened to the scrum and no, he didn't.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 12, 2024 20:48:30 GMT -5
I listened to the scrum and no, he didn't. I could have sworn he said there's always been a protocol in place, maybe not the committee as it is now, but AEW's always had legal positions in place for any and all concerns within the company I don't see any proof the committee or these protocols didn't exist four years ago either.
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Post by Axel Dieter jr. on Jan 12, 2024 20:49:33 GMT -5
Like I said, one sentence and be done with it: "It didn't happen, it's all bull." But if he did, it might have been a lie, to which a judge could come back to in the future. And the committee wasn't even a thing four years ago. Wait a second. You said in your previous post that because TK didn't say anything at the scrum, it must mean something happened. Now you say that if TK did say something, it must mean he's lying?? I said, that might be a possible explanation for him not saying anything. Because would a "Didn't happen, next question." have been too hard? No, it would have been the easy thing to do. But he did not want to say that. He was absolutely talking around the question.
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Post by jm on Jan 12, 2024 20:52:54 GMT -5
Wait a second. You said in your previous post that because TK didn't say anything at the scrum, it must mean something happened. Now you say that if TK did say something, it must mean he's lying?? I said, that might be a possible explanation for him not saying anything. Because would a "Didn't happen, next question." have been too hard? No, it would have been the easy thing to do. But he did not want to say that. He was absolutely talking around the question. So in other words, you have already made the conclusion that Jericho is guilty of something and if TK says anything to the contrary, he's lying. OK gotcha.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 12, 2024 20:53:48 GMT -5
Wait a second. You said in your previous post that because TK didn't say anything at the scrum, it must mean something happened. Now you say that if TK did say something, it must mean he's lying?? I said, that might be a possible explanation for him not saying anything. Because would a "Didn't happen, next question." have been too hard? No, it would have been the easy thing to do. But he did not want to say that. He said that what was said were unfounded internet rumors, effectively saying what was being said about Jericho was bullshit and any and all issues are handled by protocols and a safety committee I don't think he needed to say anything more then that, especially since Hausman backtracked a literal day later and no one backed up what he said and all people have gone on are twitter hearts that do not lead to any incriminating or actual knowledge of any situation. So like... idk, just like the last Jericho thread, this is gonna go around in circles because there's literally nowhere else to take it, and Jericho does not deserve boos for what is currently false accusations from an asshole on Twitter.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Jan 12, 2024 20:56:06 GMT -5
I'm going to be completely, bluntly honest.
"AEW and Tony Khan need to address a situation that's been proven to be bullshit by a hack journalist based off a f***ing heart reaction from a talent that's not been with the company in years" is a hell of a take. Not a good one, but a hell of a take.
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Post by mrpeacock on Jan 12, 2024 20:56:42 GMT -5
I said, that might be a possible explanation for him not saying anything. Because would a "Didn't happen, next question." have been too hard? No, it would have been the easy thing to do. But he did not want to say that. He was absolutely talking around the question. So in other words, you have already made the conclusion that Jericho is guilty of something and if TK says anything to the contrary, he's lying. OK gotcha. Not even remotely what he’s saying actually. He literally pointed out how that’s not what he meant.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jan 12, 2024 20:58:41 GMT -5
Like I said, one sentence and be done with it: "It didn't happen, it's all bull." But if he did, it might have been a lie, to which a judge could come back to in the future. And the committee wasn't even a thing four years ago. The issue with this is WHAT didn't happen? WHAT is all bull? How are they supposed to even begin to address some nebulous, nonspecific, muckraking? It can’t even be done. And you know full and damn well that even if TK did say exactly that, verbatim, at the scrum then the anti-AEW crowd would be guffawing about how he’s covering up for a sexual predator. That’s why just not acknowledging it is the right move at the moment. If Kylie, herself, made a specific allegation it would be a different story, but she hasn’t.
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Post by mrpeacock on Jan 12, 2024 21:01:00 GMT -5
Like I said, one sentence and be done with it: "It didn't happen, it's all bull." But if he did, it might have been a lie, to which a judge could come back to in the future. And the committee wasn't even a thing four years ago. The issue with this is WHAT didn't happen? WHAT is all bull? How are they supposed to even begin to address some nebulous, nonspecific, muckraking? It can’t even be done. And you know full and damn well that even if TK did say exactly that, verbatim, at the scrum then the anti-AEW crowd would be guffawing about how he’s covering up for a sexual predator. That’s why just not acknowledging it is the right move at the moment. If Kylie, herself, made a specific allegation it would be a different story, but she hasn’t. But if Kylie hasn’t said anything wouldn’t that lean towards there being a NDA in place? She could clear his name in second, but she hasn’t.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 12, 2024 21:03:03 GMT -5
Wait a second. You said in your previous post that because TK didn't say anything at the scrum, it must mean something happened. Now you say that if TK did say something, it must mean he's lying?? I said, that might be a possible explanation for him not saying anything. Because would a "Didn't happen, next question." have been too hard? No, it would have been the easy thing to do. But he did not want to say that. He was absolutely talking around the question. There are literally NO concrete accusations to address. It's literally all internet rumors started by people egged on Hausman's unfounded speculations that he's "Weinstein-like" and vague reactions from Kylie's social media. Honestly, at this point there just needs to be a comprehensive list of things to say about this saved as a template and copy and pasted as a response any time someone acts as if there are these actual things to address and not just some dickcheese who wanted to win an internet battle with Jericho by asking other people to find SA allegations when he couldn't produce his own proof. To reiterate, Kylie has said nothing to indicate Jericho is some Weinstein like dude trying to SA people. Hausman put out this comment and followed up with no proof and instead asked other people to do their own research into it. Jericho and TK have been quiet because there is nothing to discuss at this point because the only "proof" people have that Jericho has done something is Renee Dupree saying Jericho like's to bang other people's SO's and Kylie liking and heart emoji commenting, with no context at what she was meaning with those interactions. And to make it clear again, no one here is defending Jericho like he's some sacred cow. No one here like's Jericho (at least until the one person responses to this with "well I like him!") and we would be ALL OVER him if there was something substantial to accuse him of. But there isn't and people keep acting like there is, which makes me hate Hausman SO MUCH.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 12, 2024 21:05:55 GMT -5
The issue with this is WHAT didn't happen? WHAT is all bull? How are they supposed to even begin to address some nebulous, nonspecific, muckraking? It can’t even be done. And you know full and damn well that even if TK did say exactly that, verbatim, at the scrum then the anti-AEW crowd would be guffawing about how he’s covering up for a sexual predator. That’s why just not acknowledging it is the right move at the moment. If Kylie, herself, made a specific allegation it would be a different story, but she hasn’t. But if Kylie hasn’t said anything wouldn’t that lean towards there being a NDA in place? She could clear his name in second, but she hasn’t. No, it doesn't mean that at all She could just be staying out of it entirely. And I'm pretty sure if she hearted weird vague stuff on socials, there's no NDA in place We had this discussion before but I don't think you can actually NDA stuff like this, but I wasn't in that discussion last time so idk. Either way no Kylie not saying anything to "Clear Jericho's name" does not mean there's an NDA. Also what is there to actually CLEAR? Hausman's stuff was proven to be false. People are just booing at this point to boo and try and will it to be true when there is literally nothing there to say that anything about it is.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 12, 2024 21:08:06 GMT -5
But if Kylie hasn’t said anything wouldn’t that lean towards there being a NDA in place? She could clear his name in second, but she hasn’t. No, it doesn't mean that at all She could just be staying out of it entirely. And I'm pretty sure if she hearted weird vague stuff on socials, there's no NDA in place We had this discussion before but I don't think you can actually NDA stuff like this, but I wasn't in that discussion last time so idk. Either way no Kylie not saying anything to "Clear Jericho's name" does not mean there's an NDA. Also what is there to actually CLEAR? Hausman's stuff was proven to be false. People are just booing at this point to boo and try and will it to be true when there is literally nothing there to say that anything about it is. Even if she wanted to clear his name, why would she put herself out there like that when she's been dealing with mental health issues already and women involved in these kinds of things are NOT treated well by asshats on social media.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jan 12, 2024 21:25:02 GMT -5
The issue with this is WHAT didn't happen? WHAT is all bull? How are they supposed to even begin to address some nebulous, nonspecific, muckraking? It can’t even be done. And you know full and damn well that even if TK did say exactly that, verbatim, at the scrum then the anti-AEW crowd would be guffawing about how he’s covering up for a sexual predator. That’s why just not acknowledging it is the right move at the moment. If Kylie, herself, made a specific allegation it would be a different story, but she hasn’t. But if Kylie hasn’t said anything wouldn’t that lean towards there being a NDA in place? She could clear his name in second, but she hasn’t. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. But an NDA could conceivably be in place for a literally infinite number of reasons. And it’s a non-disclosure AGREEMENT. An employer can’t just force a person to sign one. So, if we’re going to engage in speculation and surmise, presumably there may be some reasons why Kylie, herself, didn’t want anyone to speak about the situation. Who knows? But I know it DAMN sure wasn’t Hausman or random weirdos on Twitter’s place to dredge it up 5 years after the fact. More importantly, the existence of an NDA doesn’t inherently mean Jericho is a sexual predator. For about the 37th time in this thread, I point out that the stated “rumor” is that Jericho made a pass at Kylie and made her uncomfortable. It’s an outrageous, unfair, and irresponsible leap of logic to speculate that the hypothetical existence of a hypothetical NDA means that Jericho is an outright sexual predator.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 12, 2024 21:49:23 GMT -5
Any lawyer worth a damn would also tell you that an NDA would no longer be valid in cases of sexual misconduct.
In fact, there was a law passed in the US in 2022 called the Speak Out Act that specifically prohibits using NDA's to cover up workplace sexual harassment or assault. One that made any existing NDA's for those purposes unenforceable by federal law (only exception seems to be those agreed to as part of legal settlements; and since we would've heard anything about Kylie taking AEW or Jericho to court, that doesn't apply here). So even if Kylie was under an NDA for that reason, it's no longer valid. She'd be completely in the clear to tell her story if one exists to tell.
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Post by khali on Jan 12, 2024 23:21:30 GMT -5
The issue with this is WHAT didn't happen? WHAT is all bull? How are they supposed to even begin to address some nebulous, nonspecific, muckraking? It can’t even be done. And you know full and damn well that even if TK did say exactly that, verbatim, at the scrum then the anti-AEW crowd would be guffawing about how he’s covering up for a sexual predator. That’s why just not acknowledging it is the right move at the moment. If Kylie, herself, made a specific allegation it would be a different story, but she hasn’t. But if Kylie hasn’t said anything wouldn’t that lean towards there being a NDA in place? She could clear his name in second, but she hasn’t. Kylie is under no obligation to say anything to clarify a clusterf*** of a situation Hausman started, especially as someone who has had a lot of mental health struggles and is a new parent. Frankly, I can’t even believe it’s now come to the level of “Kylie could say something you know!!!” No, she doesn’t need to. Maybe she saw how much people freaked out over heart and decided not to deal with Internet dorks about it.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 12, 2024 23:33:41 GMT -5
It's also all still very possible that something happened between Kylie and Jericho that is not in any capacity sexual harassment but which still makes her not like him. Potentially rightly so. And because she has said nothing on the matter, it'd be putting words in her mouth to try and say what didn't happen. It doesn't seem complicated to me to think about why that might be bad? But also bad is the alternative of "She could clear his name and isn't so something must be there" which like. Again, are victims are just chess pieces in situations like this?
The shithead who calls himself a journalist who brought this up already admitted he has nothing and that he was just trying to get back at a dude over twitter posts. This is stupid. Putting the onus on AEW to speak here is ridiculous, especially while so many of the voices involved hold zero accountability to Hausman on saying he needs to loudly issue a retraction and put out a statement. Why isn't the shit stirrer who did nothing wrong being held to account to say publicly that he has no evidence to back up his claims and should not have said what he said? Wouldn't that clear things up, too? Wouldn't the person who caused this problem be a better pair of feet to hold to that fire?
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 13, 2024 0:14:53 GMT -5
I am SO tired of this Jericho stuff at this point. The discourse is so exhausting all because one jackass decided to fish for SA accusations towards Jericho without any sort evidence and then everyone and their brother has tried to read tea leaves of Kylie's likes and a frigging heart emoji. there's nothing that can really be done about it though. it isn't like TK/Jericho can go out there and be like "oh he/I didn't do anything" because all that does is incentivize bootleg Pete Select to continue with that type of tactic to gain clicks/views. if they don't do anything, the booing will continue until probably a heel run and I don't know about you but giving someone a heel turn because of the fans booing what seems to be false accusations really unsettles me. so would taking him off TV. they're in a spot where there's pretty much nothing that can help right now. Yeah. I thought for a bit to just turn him heel. But you have to rely on the crowd playing into it and not be chanting “NDA” or whatever, cause that’s sketchy. I’m curious how the crowd reacts in the tag match. If they don’t, they might be fine. At worst it could be a much more awkward Cody-crowd thing
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jan 13, 2024 2:05:39 GMT -5
It's also all still very possible that something happened between Kylie and Jericho that is not in any capacity sexual harassment but which still makes her not like him. Potentially rightly so. And because she has said nothing on the matter, it'd be putting words in her mouth to try and say what didn't happen. It doesn't seem complicated to me to think about why that might be bad? But also bad is the alternative of "She could clear his name and isn't so something must be there" which like. Again, are victims are just chess pieces in situations like this? The shithead who calls himself a journalist who brought this up already admitted he has nothing and that he was just trying to get back at a dude over twitter posts. This is stupid. Putting the onus on AEW to speak here is ridiculous, especially while so many of the voices involved hold zero accountability to Hausman on saying he needs to loudly issue a retraction and put out a statement. Why isn't the shit stirrer who did nothing wrong being held to account to say publicly that he has no evidence to back up his claims and should not have said what he said? Wouldn't that clear things up, too? Wouldn't the person who caused this problem be a better pair of feet to hold to that fire? I just think when TK was given 3 separate opportunities to do so he could have just said something like "There was no complaint about Jericho" and this thing would have died there and then. TK danced around the question and refused to deny it so here we are.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 13, 2024 2:25:43 GMT -5
It's also all still very possible that something happened between Kylie and Jericho that is not in any capacity sexual harassment but which still makes her not like him. Potentially rightly so. And because she has said nothing on the matter, it'd be putting words in her mouth to try and say what didn't happen. It doesn't seem complicated to me to think about why that might be bad? But also bad is the alternative of "She could clear his name and isn't so something must be there" which like. Again, are victims are just chess pieces in situations like this? The shithead who calls himself a journalist who brought this up already admitted he has nothing and that he was just trying to get back at a dude over twitter posts. This is stupid. Putting the onus on AEW to speak here is ridiculous, especially while so many of the voices involved hold zero accountability to Hausman on saying he needs to loudly issue a retraction and put out a statement. Why isn't the shit stirrer who did nothing wrong being held to account to say publicly that he has no evidence to back up his claims and should not have said what he said? Wouldn't that clear things up, too? Wouldn't the person who caused this problem be a better pair of feet to hold to that fire? I just think when TK was given 3 separate opportunities to do so he could have just said something like "There was no complaint about Jericho" and this thing would have died there and then. TK danced around the question and refused to deny it so here we are. He said he couldn't speak to 'internet and unsourced rumours'. I don't think that's dancing around it so much as it's cutting down the idea it's worth responding to entirely. Like yeah, he gave some canned PR stuff about the safety of the company and how he would take accusations seriously if brought to him, focusing on trying to twist the shitshow into something he could praise his company's supposed positives for to try and make the company look like it would handle these things (presumably because Weinstein got named). Whether that was the right move or not is I think a separate question from if he danced around it or not, because he dismissed it as just an unsourced rumour. And it's worth noting that, in the nebulousness of what was said, even "There was no complaint about Jericho" would imply a complaint abotu Jericho, which is still more concrete an accusation than was said. This was vapor. Quite intentionally so. There's nothing to deny here because what was said was vague and spun from pure speculation off of one dude making shit up. The rhetorical line to walk is not a cut and dry one because just like you can't prove a negative, you can't deny nothing.
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