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Post by Smiley Smile on Oct 19, 2013 7:15:32 GMT -5
I've seen WrestleMania 2 mentioned, and feel the need to leap to its defence. I might be a little biased since it's one of the first WrestleManias I ever saw (on an old Coliseum VHS sometime in the '90s) but I don't think it's a horrible card at all. The bad matches (and there were definitely a few) were mercifully short, the main event was as good as could be expected, and there were a couple of genuinely good matches on the card (most notably the Dream Team vs. British Bulldogs one).
It tends to get a free pass from a lot of people because it's the first, but I think WrestleMania I was a terrible card for the most part. The undercard wasn't much better than you'd see at a WWF house show at the time, and in places it was downright painful to watch; the David Sammartino vs. Brutus Beefcake match was particularly torturous. The only match on the whole show that has ever really stuck out for me is the main event, and even that wasn't exactly what you'd call a mat classic.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Oct 17, 2013 5:54:06 GMT -5
Seriously there have been times during the year that I've honestly forgotten that he is still with the WWE. Pretty much this. I've thought he's needed to retire for about five or six years now. For a long time now he's been a shell of what he was and pretty much just milking the reputation he built up ten or fifteen years ago. He's gone from being one of my favourites when I was a kid to someone who I'm completely indifferent to at the best of times; I can't remember the last time anything he did in the ring has really excited me or made me want to watch. He really needs to stop, for his own health as much as anything.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Oct 13, 2013 11:03:06 GMT -5
Hey, UK folks, what's the story here? A Wikipedia search only brought up a kids' television show sharing the name. Any connection? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CatweazleThe wrestling character was a takeoff on the character from the TV series, and actually ended up becoming enormously popular from what I understand, particularly as a foil to Mick McManus, one of the biggest heels in British wrestling at the time.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Oct 8, 2013 10:55:57 GMT -5
Interestingly, after the Big Gold Belt was returned to WCW, the WWF made a clone of it to use on TV in place of the real belt that had been returned. The time it took to be made necessitated the use of the censored tag team title belt that Flair briefly used. Unfortunately, the settlement between the WWF and WCW stipulated that the WWF couldn't use a similar-looking title belt in its place, so the new belt disappeared from TV almost instantly.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Sept 20, 2013 8:48:09 GMT -5
I read in one of Lance Storm's blogs that he did an angle accusing someone of using steroids in ECW too. I wonder where else this has happened. Edit: He as in Lance Storm. It was Tommy Dreamer who Storm accused of using steroids. Storm came to the ring with his own urine sample at Cyberslam '99, claiming it was clean and challenging Dreamer to provide his own, only for Dreamer to show up and have Dawn Marie pour the sample all over Storm. Does anyone else find it disappointing that de Beers never once spoke with an Afrikaans accent? He was being billed from South Africa yet still spoke in his regular accent.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Sept 20, 2013 8:32:45 GMT -5
Here Comes the Pain The storyline where you have a valet who's a love interest and you need to cheer her on outside the ring and assist her to victory as she does battle with the guy who has been stalking her. You can't control her, only your wrestler and if the ref sees you get involved, she gets disqualified. For me, this story would always become me having to guide Stacy Keibler to victory over a heel Hillbilly Jim. I think I did this storyline with my created Jushin Thunder Liger. Some of the backstage vignettes were all kinds of hilarious. Fire Pro Wrestling Returns has the absolute steepest learning curve I've ever encountered in a wrestling game, so was a challenge at the best of times. But by far the biggest challenge I encountered on it was beating Mitsuharu Misawa, the guy was absolutely unstoppable. I had to go for a walk to calm myself down after those matches on one or two occasions.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Sept 17, 2013 3:48:35 GMT -5
Antonio Inoki vs. Masa Saito in the now infamous Ganryujima Island Death match from New Japan in 1987. Not for the faint of heart, due to its length more than anything. The match itself begins about 25 minutes into the video here.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Sept 13, 2013 10:46:49 GMT -5
I can't believe this thread has gone three pages without these guys appearing:
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Post by Smiley Smile on Sept 7, 2013 5:24:58 GMT -5
Good call. How many times did Scott Hall appear in ECW? Sid? Scott Hall made a few appearances, but I think most of them were only house shows. He did seem to make one appearance on TV, but it's hard to find any information on it. Sid was around in ECW for quite a while, though.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Sept 5, 2013 3:17:25 GMT -5
Tom Magee left wrestling quietly in the late '80s. Having been carried to a decent match by Bret Hart, he worked on the house show circuit with Terry Gibbs (mentioned earlier in the thread) and was said to have got progressively worse. Eventually he was just dismissed as a failed experiment, with the newly-arrived Ultimate Warrior became the company's golden boy and Magee being cut loose to go to Japan, where he had one of the worst matches of all time against Hiroshi Wajima (also mentioned) and ended up drifting out of wrestling. For an idea of just how bad this guy was, it's worth watching the handful of matches of his floating around on YouTube. Working Wajima doesn't help anyone though. THAT guy suuuuucked. This is true, they were both exceptionally bad in that. But Magee looked absolutely clueless in all the other matches of his I've seen; he had zero presence or charisma in the ring, seemed incapable of pacing or putting together a match, and his strikes looked appalling. There's a match of his from the late '80s against Tim Horner round about the time the WWF pulled the plug on him where you can hear the crowd turning on him - it's about the only reaction he gets at any point.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Sept 4, 2013 16:49:37 GMT -5
Magee was treated as a pretty big deal even before he came to the WWF. He headlined a AJPW card against Riki Chosu and Meltzer praised Magee to the high heavens after the match. After the match, the company had Stu Hart begin to train him. So he was treated as a pretty big deal even before he arrived in the WWF. I've never heard about this (unless you guys are just joking and I don't get). What happened to the guy? Why would someone that was praised by Vince McMahon as a possible candidate for being the next Hulk freakin' Hogan after having a good showing in a try out match with the best worker in the company at that time cut loose? (Unless again, this is just some sort of inside joke that I'm not getting. ) Tom Magee left wrestling quietly in the late '80s. Having been carried to a decent match by Bret Hart, he worked on the house show circuit with Terry Gibbs (mentioned earlier in the thread) and was said to have got progressively worse. Eventually he was just dismissed as a failed experiment, with the newly-arrived Ultimate Warrior became the company's golden boy and Magee being cut loose to go to Japan, where he had one of the worst matches of all time against Hiroshi Wajima (also mentioned) and ended up drifting out of wrestling. For an idea of just how bad this guy was, it's worth watching the handful of matches of his floating around on YouTube.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Aug 22, 2013 7:06:26 GMT -5
I remember his final run in ECW, where they just turned him into Kane Lite. I absolutely hated this. I've posted about this before, but I was always baffled by Snitsky's success. He was always a generic worker with a generic look, and did absolutely nothing for me. But the ECW run really left me scratching my head, I couldn't believe that WWE thought that he would become a legitimate main eventer (albeit on the C-show) just by shaving him completely bald, as if everyone would forget how uninteresting he had been before. Awful.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Aug 19, 2013 3:47:56 GMT -5
Why does there need to be a current Ric Flair? Pretty much what I came to post. And Big Show, come to think of it. Surely I can't be alone in hoping retro Shawn Michaels has the Teardrop Suplex as his finisher.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Aug 11, 2013 19:16:34 GMT -5
That Iron Sheik got fired from the WWF because he took tons of steroids and then tried to cripple hulk hogan. In all fairness, this isn't a million miles from one or two supposed truths. By far the most obscure one I heard was that Hulk Hogan hid his steroids in his bandana. Even as an eleven-year-old I found myself wondering how and why.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Aug 4, 2013 4:15:03 GMT -5
Road Dogg in 2001 would of been a great pick up for WCW. Didn't he have a bad drug problem at the time though which is why WWE fired him in the first place? That never really stopped a promoter before, to be fair.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Jul 14, 2013 16:29:20 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan vs. The Butcher, Starrcade 1994 has to be the worst match I've ever seen. Not just an absolutely horrible match, but an absolutely horrible match that main evented what was supposed to be WCW's flagship event. It's made all the more cringeworthy by the aftermath, which culminates in the Faces of Fear and Randy Savage showing up, and Hogan hitting Sullivan and Avalanche/Earthquake with THE worst chair shots I've ever seen. All kinds of awful.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Jul 13, 2013 17:47:49 GMT -5
Ray Gordy as Jesse Dalton, and later as Slam Master J. Also, Vic Grimes as Key in 1999.
Looking at the WWE alumni pages on Wikipedia, it's astounding how long some of these wrestlers remained under contract.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Jul 11, 2013 3:01:13 GMT -5
I'd say no to Sgt. Slaughter, who hadn't been around all that long in the WWF before the change in ownership, and left soon after.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Jul 8, 2013 11:33:49 GMT -5
What I meant was they were effectively the same company, just with a different owner and a rebrand. I mean, you wouldn't consider the WWWF a separate entity because it was owned by a different McMahon.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Jul 8, 2013 10:53:02 GMT -5
I seem to remember him burying WCW on commentary on a few occasions, I'm not sure if this is a case of him toeing the company line or if he genuinely felt shafted by the company. Either way, I'm not sure which company he thinks made Sting a star. Jim Crockett Promotions made Sting a star. WCW was the logical progression of JCP. WCW was effectively a rebranding of the old Crockett promotion after the Turner buyout, so for all intents and purposes I'm considering it WCW.
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