Everyone Hates Miz

[Codebreaker]

Mar 3, 2012 19:04:51 GMT -5 rapidfire187 said:

Congrats if you're entertained by Miz. You know what's entertaining to me? Wrestling. Good wrestling with cool moves and interesting stories. Promos are also entertaining. Good, interesting or funny promos that show some real emotion. Miz just doesn't cut it for me.

I hate that just because I don't like the guy, this means I'm a Miz hater, or I'm a bad wrestling fan because I'm missing his genius or something. All I know is that I think Miz is a great guy personally, he's my favorite Real World contestant ever and he seems legit cool in interviews. I was also a fan of his until around the end of his WWE title reign. Miz is one of those guys that I thought would eventually become a great wrestler...but I think he's already reached his peak. If what he's doing is the best he can do, then I have no interest in watching him perform. It's not entertaining when the guy does the same old s*** every match. Hell, that's why I turned on Cena. The difference is that Cena has actually made an effort to perform at a main event level, whereas I've seen people in wrestling school that were more entertaining than Miz.

I didn't mean Miz hater in reference to you. There are people out there who will stubbornly hate him and not give him credit regardless of what he does, and that's obviously not you.

Everyone has a different standard for what they considering to be good or entertaining, and we all know this. What bothers me is when people happily choose to ignore this and state opinions as fact. If you percieve that The Miz is boring or whatever you think, that's fine. To me, whenever I see The Miz, I feel like he's trying to entertain me, and he does the job. We're allowed to disagree on this.

Is he in the best position in the company right now? No. He's been higher than he is now, that's for sure. But what I know is that whenever I see him, I enjoy watching him perform. One botch is not going to make me do a 180.

Mar 3, 2012 19:30:21 GMT -5 Perpetual Nirvana said:

Well lets see.

- Throwing out leetspeak when nobody on the forum ever, ever types that way.

- Falling back on the old "well I'm sorry if ypu don't feel the same way" like having a differing opinion is something to be pitied.

- And acting elitist with the whole "I watch to be entertained" stuff.

Well congratulations. You dismissed everyone elses opinions with a stream of condescending bullcrap. Well done.

1. I know that nobody does on here, but this is not the only website I go on for wrestling discussion. I see it everywhere - "it" being poor grammar paired with the same Miz criticisms from people who a few months ago were marking out like kids for the guy. Sorry that me using stereotypically bad grammar rubbed you the wrong way.

2. I don't pity anyone who has a differing opinion to me. I do pity people - generally speaking, nobody specific on here - who get so wound up over something that for many of us, yes, is a passion, but at the end of the day is just a TV show. It's a hobby for us. If they relaxed a bit more and stopped being so hypercritical, I'm sure they'd find more to enjoy in the product. I know that I certainly did.

3. Elitist? I don't think I'm an elitist because I watch wrestling for entertainment, I don't think I'm an elitist because Miz entertains me and nor do I think I'm an elitist for saying these things aloud. (Well, typing them.) I'm quite ordinary really. So I don't quite get your point here, sorry.

You've read me wrong if you think I'm trying to be condescending. I'm not at all.

Mar 3, 2012 20:23:35 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Really, the only thing I'm trying to argue against is the idea that Miz is absolutely terrible in the ring or that he's a complete failure as a main-eventer. If people don't like him I don't really care, just the exaggeration from some rubs me the wrong way.

I 100% agree with this.

[Allie Kitsune]

Mar 3, 2012 20:27:29 GMT -5 BigWill said:

Mar 3, 2012 20:24:21 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Why should ANYONE'S opinion affect anyone else's?

Who would be so weak-willed as to change their mind because of what someone else thinks?

Some people seem to think that it should. Or at least it feels that way anytime someone responds to a negative comment about a superstar with "Well they're over, so...", or something like that.

It goes both ways. People get offended when someone doesn't hate who they hate too.

You get a thread hating Miz, or whoever else, and people try to make it look like if someone doesn't hate him, it's because they're not smart enough to hate him.

You (general you, not just the specific user I responded to) may think you're insulted by people daring to defend him, well they're just as insulted by the insinuation that they're not smart enough to join the hate train.

[King Ghidorah]

Mar 3, 2012 20:33:47 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Mar 3, 2012 20:23:35 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Really, the only thing I'm trying to argue against is the idea that Miz is absolutely terrible in the ring or that he's a complete failure as a main-eventer. If people don't like him I don't really care, just the exaggeration from some rubs me the wrong way.

Likewise.

That right there.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Mar 3, 2012 20:43:39 GMT -5 Codebreaker said:

1. I know that nobody does on here, but this is not the only website I go on for wrestling discussion. I see it everywhere - "it" being poor grammar paired with the same Miz criticisms from people who a few months ago were marking out like kids for the guy. Sorry that me using stereotypically bad grammar rubbed you the wrong way.

2. I don't pity anyone who has a differing opinion to me. I do pity people - generally speaking, nobody specific on here - who get so wound up over something that for many of us, yes, is a passion, but at the end of the day is just a TV show. It's a hobby for us. If they relaxed a bit more and stopped being so hypercritical, I'm sure they'd find more to enjoy in the product. I know that I certainly did.

3. Elitist? I don't think I'm an elitist because I watch wrestling for entertainment, I don't think I'm an elitist because Miz entertains me and nor do I think I'm an elitist for saying these things aloud. (Well, typing them.) I'm quite ordinary really. So I don't quite get your point here, sorry.

1. Yet you didn't post it on there other websites you posted it on this board. And this discussion is opinions of people here, not anywhere else. These critcisms have all be raised in this thread. Pointing all this together made it look like it was directed at members of this forum.

2. What's your evidence that people are getting "wound up"? A few message posts? What are people supposed to do? Only post about the stuff they like? Again, I do like how this "taking things too seriously" only goes one way. Nobody gets told to take it easy when they mark out over something.

3. No, that doesn't make you elitist, but acting like others don't watch for that reason is quite disrespectful.

You've read me wrong if you think I'm trying to be condescending. I'm not at all.

most of the time nobody tries to be condescending. It just happens.

[Deleted]

It's amazing how much this board did a whole 180 on The Miz in a year. I would of never guessed it that last year everyone here was practically praising The Miz and his amazing work ethic to all saying he sucks and is extremely lazy in a whole year. Oh well I'm still a Miz fan.

The one thing I do find funny and I hate the whole "if CM Punk did it" argument but I feel it's appropriate to post it is how many people criticize The Miz slipping his words but CM Punk slipped up at least twice during his promo with Jericho last week and they were a lot more noticeable then the cookie crumble thing. Hell Punk has slipped his words many times especially his promo's burying Johnny Ace or his promo war's with Triple H. Like Kitsune has said he's fortunate that his character can get away things but I think it's worse to slip words during the build of a Wrestlemania WWE Championship match then saying the words "Phoner" (well that's what it's called) or the cookie crumble thing during the EC build up when their were 5 other guys cutting promo's at the same time and he wasn't the main focus (Punk & Jericho)

As the record I'm a big fan of Punk but enough with the rose tinted glasses. Remember when Punk broke Snitsky's nose with his own finisher? I would say it's worse to botch your own finisher then botching a high risk over the top rope over the ring flippy move. God I can't believe I used a "if CM Punk" argument. I feel dirty now.

[DrBackflipsHoffman]

ULTIMATE CM PUNK PARADOX

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Mar 3, 2012 21:15:37 GMT -5 DrBackflipsHoffman said:

ULTIMATE CM PUNK PARADOX

I'm going to regret everything I have said.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

You know why nobody is talking about CM Punk? Because this friggin' thread isn't about CM Punk! God.

[Codebreaker]

Mar 3, 2012 21:08:15 GMT -5 Perpetual Nirvana said:

Mar 3, 2012 20:43:39 GMT -5 Codebreaker said:

1. I know that nobody does on here, but this is not the only website I go on for wrestling discussion. I see it everywhere - "it" being poor grammar paired with the same Miz criticisms from people who a few months ago were marking out like kids for the guy. Sorry that me using stereotypically bad grammar rubbed you the wrong way.

2. I don't pity anyone who has a differing opinion to me. I do pity people - generally speaking, nobody specific on here - who get so wound up over something that for many of us, yes, is a passion, but at the end of the day is just a TV show. It's a hobby for us. If they relaxed a bit more and stopped being so hypercritical, I'm sure they'd find more to enjoy in the product. I know that I certainly did.

3. Elitist? I don't think I'm an elitist because I watch wrestling for entertainment, I don't think I'm an elitist because Miz entertains me and nor do I think I'm an elitist for saying these things aloud. (Well, typing them.) I'm quite ordinary really. So I don't quite get your point here, sorry.

1. Yet you didn't post it on there other websites you posted it on this board. And this discussion is opinions of people here, not anywhere else. These critcisms have all be raised in this thread. Pointing all this together made it look like it was directed at members of this forum.

2. What's your evidence that people are getting "wound up"? A few message posts? What are people supposed to do? Only post about the stuff they like? Again, I do like how this "taking things too seriously" only goes one way. Nobody gets told to take it easy when they mark out over something.

3. No, that doesn't make you elitist, but acting like others don't watch for that reason is quite disrespectful.

You've read me wrong if you think I'm trying to be condescending. I'm not at all.

most of the time nobody tries to be condescending. It just happens.

1. I saw the topic "Everyone Hates Miz" and assumed the discussion pertained to opinions not only here, but everywhere. If I'm wrong and that's not the case, what's that saying about asses, you and me?

2. As I said - generally speaking, nobody specific.

3. Reading what I said back, I can see how you could possibly misread my demeanor, but that's not at all my intention, and I think I make that reasonably clear. I was just stating my thoughts on him - that he entertains me, and that I wish other people could see what I see in him. I feel like at this point you're reading a little too far into my post though. I promise you, I have no elitist agenda!

[BigWill]

Mar 3, 2012 21:11:02 GMT -5 @supersweetbotch said:

It's amazing how much this board did a whole 180 on The Miz in a year. I would of never guessed it that last year everyone here was practically praising The Miz and his amazing work ethic to all saying he sucks and is extremely lazy in a whole year. Oh well I'm still a Miz fan.

For your sake I'll ignore the CM Punk argument and just respond to this part.

I think the main reason people turned sour on him is because his big WWE title reign failed in many people's eyes. Boring matches, crappy feuds, shown to have no credibility in the ring unless he had someone backing him up, and looked like an afterthought next to whatever Cena was doing at the time. Although I'm sure opinions will vary, but I think that many people here seem to feel that all his title run accomplished was it highlighted Miz's flaws.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Mar 3, 2012 21:27:37 GMT -5 Codebreaker said:

Mar 3, 2012 21:08:15 GMT -5 Perpetual Nirvana said:

1. Yet you didn't post it on there other websites you posted it on this board. And this discussion is opinions of people here, not anywhere else. These critcisms have all be raised in this thread. Pointing all this together made it look like it was directed at members of this forum.

2. What's your evidence that people are getting "wound up"? A few message posts? What are people supposed to do? Only post about the stuff they like? Again, I do like how this "taking things too seriously" only goes one way. Nobody gets told to take it easy when they mark out over something.

3. No, that doesn't make you elitist, but acting like others don't watch for that reason is quite disrespectful.



most of the time nobody tries to be condescending. It just happens.

1. I saw the topic "Everyone Hates Miz" and assumed the discussion pertained to opinions not only here, but everywhere. If I'm wrong and that's not the case, what's that saying about asses, you and me?

2. As I said - generally speaking, nobody specific.

3. Reading what I said back, I can see how you could possibly misread my demeanor, but that's not at all my intention, and I think I make that reasonably clear. I was just stating my thoughts on him - that he entertains me, and that I wish other people could see what I see in him. I feel like at this point you're reading a little too far into my post though. I promise you, I have no elitist agenda!

Elitist is too probably strong a word. But it honestly annoys me when people say stuff like "I wish you say things like I do" or "I'm sorry you don't share my opinion" like thinking otherwise is a bad thing.

[xCompackx]

I like the Miz that is on talk shows and is entertaining. I hate the Miz that tries to be "tough".

[Premier Blah]

I like the fact he's overseas in Europe promoting the product but he seems to be by himself doing it.
Though, he IS a heel. Doesn't that help his cause if everyone hates him both on and off?

[Allie Kitsune]

Mar 3, 2012 21:33:40 GMT -5 Perpetual Nirvana said:

Mar 3, 2012 21:27:37 GMT -5 Codebreaker said:

1. I saw the topic "Everyone Hates Miz" and assumed the discussion pertained to opinions not only here, but everywhere. If I'm wrong and that's not the case, what's that saying about asses, you and me?

2. As I said - generally speaking, nobody specific.

3. Reading what I said back, I can see how you could possibly misread my demeanor, but that's not at all my intention, and I think I make that reasonably clear. I was just stating my thoughts on him - that he entertains me, and that I wish other people could see what I see in him. I feel like at this point you're reading a little too far into my post though. I promise you, I have no elitist agenda!

Elitist is too probably strong a word. But it honestly annoys me when people say stuff like "I wish you say things like I do" or "I'm sorry you don't share my opinion" like thinking otherwise is a bad thing.

To me, "Elitist" means "I'm a better fan than you because I can only enjoy superior technical wrestlers who don't pander to the lowest common denominator like you unwashed masses who enjoy Orton, Cena, Miz, etc."

[norsisclouds]

I've never cared for him really...

so I never saw whatever it was his fans like anyway.

[bigbadbull]

It sure didn't help Miz when the 'E booked him to tap to Cena at OTL last year after Miz and Reily, more or less, massacred Cena in the I Quit match. Why should I buy you as a World Champ when you'll tap to a man you beat down for over 20 mins.?

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Mar 3, 2012 23:57:25 GMT -5 bigbadbull said:

It sure didn't help Miz when the 'E booked him to tap to Cena at OTL last year after Miz and Reily, more or less, massacred Cena in the I Quit match. Why should I buy you as a World Champ when you'll tap to a man you beat down for over 20 mins.?

It's Cena. He's done the same to Orton, Batista, HBK... Hell, he even made Punk tap on Raw in about 90 seconds once.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Mar 3, 2012 23:35:48 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Mar 3, 2012 21:33:40 GMT -5 Perpetual Nirvana said:

Elitist is too probably strong a word. But it honestly annoys me when people say stuff like "I wish you say things like I do" or "I'm sorry you don't share my opinion" like thinking otherwise is a bad thing.

To me, "Elitist" means "I'm a better fan than you because I can only enjoy superior technical wrestlers who don't pander to the lowest common denominator like you unwashed masses who enjoy Orton, Cena, Miz, etc."

Well to me it's putting your own opinion above others as being somehow more worthy, no matter what those views are.

[Deleted]

Mar 4, 2012 0:08:03 GMT -5 Perpetual Nirvana said:

Mar 3, 2012 23:35:48 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

To me, "Elitist" means "I'm a better fan than you because I can only enjoy superior technical wrestlers who don't pander to the lowest common denominator like you unwashed masses who enjoy Orton, Cena, Miz, etc."

Well to me it's putting your own opinion above others as being somehow more worthy, no matter what those views are.

Agreed.

[Jimmy]

I haven't been digging anything he's done since the feud with A-Ry, but I don't hate him. He just needs to drop the tough guy act, he did much better in his promo on SmackDown with DB.