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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 19, 2022 22:04:35 GMT -5
I knew when Sarray's debut match turned into a showcase more for her opponent Zoey Stark than it was for her, that the writing was on the wall for her... unfortunately it seems to be correct.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 22:05:02 GMT -5
I feel like every Japan talent in this company outside of Nakamura who is just comfortable in his position as long as he can keep it, will be out of this company as soon as they are able... just feels like the writing is on the wall, especially with people like Bruce Pritchard and Johnny Ace still in high profile jobs in the company. As long as Nakamura can keep surfing that dude is perfectly fine. The rest though I doubt uprooted their lives to sit around wasting away doing nothing. Kushida was the first preverbial domino in this to fall Jiro will very likely be next and then Sarray etc.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 19, 2022 22:46:12 GMT -5
Do you have a link to Paige saying that or anyone recapping it? You say it often but if I search for anything related to that, only your posts on this forum come up. Getting similar vibes to the Charlotte/Mark Henry story. It's on Paige's twitch page, or was considering Twitch auto deletes VODs and clips after awhile. Good lord dude. We get it, you think WWE can do no wrong and there is no racism or discriminatory booking going on when you can totally see it happening right now with all of their Japanese talents being heavily deemphasized or outright buried. Where did I say anything about WWE doing no wrong? I’ve said I think they should call Io up and think they do a lot wrong in general. I’m just asking for receipts to the stories with pretty serious accusations I’ve read here several times about Prichard on Paige’s Twitch stream and Charlotte on Mark Henry’s radio show.
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Post by mistery on Apr 19, 2022 23:03:03 GMT -5
It's on Paige's twitch page, or was considering Twitch auto deletes VODs and clips after awhile. Good lord dude. We get it, you think WWE can do no wrong and there is no racism or discriminatory booking going on when you can totally see it happening right now with all of their Japanese talents being heavily deemphasized or outright buried. Where did I say anything about WWE doing no wrong? I’ve said I think they should call Io up and think they do a lot wrong in general. I’m just asking for receipts to the stories with pretty serious accusations I’ve read here several times about Prichard on Paige’s Twitch stream and Charlotte on Mark Henry’s radio show. I mean it's public knowledge Pritchard is racist. He openly and fiercely defended the Triple H/Booker T angle from WM19, and on Something to Wrestle With, defended the anti-asian sentiment around WM9. Not to mention he's openly anti-BLM and supports stuff like voter suppression to disenfranchise minorities and people he sees as "below him". Case in point, here's a clip from his podcast below: v.redd.it/7p48pvf8kpz51Fact of the matter is, WWE is openly discriminating against Asian wrestlers right now, and its not a coincidence this only started really getting out of control once Bruce got full control over creative for the entire company. The only reason African American wrestlers aren't being targeted right now is because they have the smarts to know that it would end very poorly for them, where there's also systematic racism against Asians and other minorities that get downplayed or outright ignored.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 19, 2022 23:26:29 GMT -5
Where did I say anything about WWE doing no wrong? I’ve said I think they should call Io up and think they do a lot wrong in general. I’m just asking for receipts to the stories with pretty serious accusations I’ve read here several times about Prichard on Paige’s Twitch stream and Charlotte on Mark Henry’s radio show. I mean it's public knowledge Pritchard is racist. He openly and fiercely defended the Triple H/Booker T angle from WM19, and on Something to Wrestle With, defended the anti-asian sentiment around WM9. Not to mention he's openly anti-BLM and supports stuff like voter suppression to disenfranchise minorities and people he sees as "below him". Case in point, here's a clip from his podcast below: v.redd.it/7p48pvf8kpz51Fact of the matter is, WWE is openly discriminating against Asian wrestlers right now, and its not a coincidence this only started really getting out of control once Bruce got full control over creative for the entire company. The only reason African American wrestlers aren't being targeted right now is because they have the smarts to know that it would end very poorly for them, where there's also systematic racism against Asians and other minorities that get downplayed or outright ignored. Seems like a lot of hyperbole, extrapolating, inferring, etc to get to these conclusions you reach. I’ll refrain from calling people terrible things based on defenses of McMahon storylines/matches on a podcast.
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Post by gl83 on Apr 20, 2022 0:00:33 GMT -5
There is a dot com exclusive promoting Katana/Carter vs Leon/Feroz for next week for advancement to face Toxic A for the titles. I'm starting to feel once Mandy beats Wendy, our resident Orange Soda Queen is not going to be in a tag title hunt. People pointed it out last week that when Wendy super soaked them there was no Dakota involvement a all even a post soaking walking back up the ramp and there was no Dakota tonight. Looks like that team wont be getting back together and Wendy is goin a this alone....or maybe she is gonna end up teaming with Rox C since she helped her win tonight and pinned one half of the tag champs. It's possible that the reason they had Wendy going alone instead of being with Dakota these past 2 weeks is because they are setting her up as Mandy's next challenger as opposed to going after the tag titles held by Jayne and Dolin. And they had Roxanne win her debut against the tag champs was to set her up as a major player right off the bat. That said there is a possibility that Dakota may be a soon-to-be call up considering that her former friend, Raquel, looks to be entering into a feud with Natalya, who is still aligned with Shayna Baszler, as evidenced by their backstage segment last week, and on a digital exclusive video Raquel talked about how great of a friend and mentor Dakota was and how she wants to work together with her again.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 20, 2022 0:17:05 GMT -5
People pointed it out last week that when Wendy super soaked them there was no Dakota involvement a all even a post soaking walking back up the ramp and there was no Dakota tonight. Looks like that team wont be getting back together and Wendy is goin a this alone....or maybe she is gonna end up teaming with Rox C since she helped her win tonight and pinned one half of the tag champs. It's possible that the reason they had Wendy going alone instead of being with Dakota these past 2 weeks is because they are setting her up as Mandy's next challenger as opposed to going after the tag titles held by Jayne and Dolin. And they had Roxanne win her debut against the tag champs was to set her up as a major player right off the bat. That said there is a possibility that Dakota may be a soon-to-be call up considering that her former friend, Raquel, looks to be entering into a feud with Natalya, who is still aligned with Shayna Baszler, as evidenced by their backstage segment last week, and on a digital exclusive video Raquel talked about how great of a friend and mentor Dakota was and how she wants to work together with her again. I get the feeling it's going to be a lot of moving parts with the NXT women's division over the next few months. They'll probably feud Wendy with Mandy for a bit before siphoning Wendy off to team with Roxanne to feud with Jayne and Dolin after they are done with Chance and Carter. Then by that point Cora will probably be done with Natalya and go after Mandy again.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Apr 20, 2022 0:28:50 GMT -5
What's really funny is next month is Asian appreciation month, which NBCU/USA and WWE take part in, but they won't have anyone to really fall back on except Wendy Choo, who no one expects to win anything of note going forward. And no one is going to forget how insanely poorly Asuka, Io, and Sarray have been treated over the past year or so. Asuka jobbing to Fiend Bliss, Rhea, and then Nikki ASH. And Io has been heavily deemphasized in NXT because WWE is obsessed with getting Raquel over even though she'll be controlling her narrative the moment she's released. And then you have Sarray who is dead in the water because whoops gotta bury her ten feet under. Wouldn't it be interesting (and completely in character) for WWE to release Sarray, Jiro, Choo, and others all NEXT MONTH...
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Post by knsffa on Apr 20, 2022 2:17:36 GMT -5
That said there is a possibility that Dakota may be a soon-to-be call up considering that her former friend, Raquel, looks to be entering into a feud with Natalya, who is still aligned with Shayna Baszler, as evidenced by their backstage segment last week, and on a digital exclusive video Raquel talked about how great of a friend and mentor Dakota was and how she wants to work together with her again. That is a possibility. I won't be surprised though if instead Raquel is aided by the blue brand's 'Protector' or they can't resist teaming Lacy Evans up with Raquel. Dakota's future does seem wide open though: RAW, Smackdown, NXT 2.0 (with a side of Level Up). Or maybe a return to NXT UK for a bit. If they sent Roderick Strong, they may want to send another vet for a future taping. Oddly enough, Roddy and Dakota are now the two more tenured members of the NXT 2.0 roster. What's really funny is next month is Asian appreciation month, which NBCU/USA and WWE take part in, but they won't have anyone to really fall back on except Wendy Choo, who no one expects to win anything of note going forward. And no one is going to forget how insanely poorly Asuka, Io, and Sarray have been treated over the past year or so. Asuka jobbing to Fiend Bliss, Rhea, and then Nikki ASH. And Io has been heavily deemphasized in NXT because WWE is obsessed with getting Raquel over even though she'll be controlling her narrative the moment she's released. And then you have Sarray who is dead in the water because whoops gotta bury her ten feet under. Wouldn't it be interesting (and completely in character) for WWE to release Sarray, Jiro, Choo, and others all NEXT MONTH... I'm staying optimistic there will be no cuts this spring since whatever rumblings there seemed to be weeks ago faded away once April 15th had passed. I know WWE does some questionable things, but would they really be that tone deaf to release all those persons during Asian and Pacific Heritage Month? Especially if they risk pi**ing off NBC Universal. Granted, it would not shock me if they did, for now at least everyone seems safe. Used well? Sadly not. But WWE will spin it on how many persons they have, not how well they are utilized.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 20, 2022 2:27:04 GMT -5
That said there is a possibility that Dakota may be a soon-to-be call up considering that her former friend, Raquel, looks to be entering into a feud with Natalya, who is still aligned with Shayna Baszler, as evidenced by their backstage segment last week, and on a digital exclusive video Raquel talked about how great of a friend and mentor Dakota was and how she wants to work together with her again. That is a possibility. I won't be surprised though if instead Raquel is aided by the blue brand's 'Protector' or they can't resist teaming Lacy Evans up with Raquel. Dakota's future does seem wide open though: RAW, Smackdown, NXT 2.0 (with a side of Level Up). Or maybe a return to NXT UK for a bit. If they sent Roderick Strong, they may want to send another vet for a future taping. Oddly enough, Roddy and Dakota are now the two more tenured members of the NXT 2.0 roster. Wouldn't it be interesting (and completely in character) for WWE to release Sarray, Jiro, Choo, and others all NEXT MONTH... I'm staying optimistic there will be no cuts this spring since whatever rumblings there seemed to be weeks ago faded away once April 15th had passed. I know WWE does some questionable things, but would they really be that tone deaf to release all those persons during Asian and Pacific Heritage Month? Especially if they risk pi**ing off NBC Universal. Granted, it would not shock me if they did, for now at least everyone seems safe. Used well? Sadly not. But WWE will spin it on how many persons they have, not how well they are utilized. Would they be that tone deaf? Absolutely. The shit they pull any given black history month, for example, or not having Zelina Vega on the 9/11 show (Something that actually shamed Vince, it was so obviously objectively a massive screw up. Hence Zelina getting Queen of the Ring and the tag titles as an apology). Sometimes, it's malice, but sometimes, WWE is just truly that tone deaf.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Apr 20, 2022 3:13:21 GMT -5
Sarray, not Sarray.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 20, 2022 3:26:23 GMT -5
I think you can argue placement for everone but Io who sits firmly at #1 if we were to rank them. I would put Sarray on par with Asuka. Interesting. That hasn’t really come across in her work here in the States, at least from what I’ve seen in NXT. Well for a start, one was booked, at least initially, as a charismatic, unstoppable wrecking machine who could beat you out of anywhere with strikes or submissions and was undefeated the entirety of her NXT run. The other...
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 20, 2022 3:44:37 GMT -5
Interesting. That hasn’t really come across in her work here in the States, at least from what I’ve seen in NXT. Well for a start, one was booked, at least initially, as a charismatic, unstoppable wrecking machine who could beat you out of anywhere with strikes or submissions and was undefeated the entirety of her NXT run. The other... Of course she's been booked far worse but just from a talent level I'm not seeing it. Not saying she's bad or anything as she's clearly technically sound but to me from what I've seen she's not as good as Asuka or even close for that matter. Asuka just has more of an explosiveness to her and comes off as way more exciting and fun to watch. Sarray is good but there's nothing she really does that makes me go "wow that was really impressive". She's also a lot less charismatic then Asuka. Asuka came off like the best worker in the company and someone who should be perennially high on the card. Sarry from what I've seen is a good but unspectacular worker who should be probably positioned more in the midcard other then maybe an occasional bump here and there which to be fair I think now should be one of those times with them needing face challengers. Even if ultimately Mandy beats her it would be good filler for like a month especially since they have history.
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Post by knsffa on Apr 20, 2022 3:57:45 GMT -5
I'm staying optimistic there will be no cuts this spring since whatever rumblings there seemed to be weeks ago faded away once April 15th had passed. I know WWE does some questionable things, but would they really be that tone deaf to release all those persons during Asian and Pacific Heritage Month? Especially if they risk pi**ing off NBC Universal. Granted, it would not shock me if they did, for now at least everyone seems safe. Used well? Sadly not. But WWE will spin it on how many persons they have, not how well they are utilized. Would they be that tone deaf? Absolutely. The shit they pull any given black history month, for example, or not having Zelina Vega on the 9/11 show (Something that actually shamed Vince, it was so obviously objectively a massive screw up. Hence Zelina getting Queen of the Ring and the tag titles as an apology). Sometimes, it's malice, but sometimes, WWE is just truly that tone deaf. Considering I've been watching since the 90's and seen too much crap they've done since and prior I tend to assume they are that tone deaf. In this case perhaps it was me trying to be optimistic for people's job safety they might not stoop as low. Sadly all things considered they sadly would stoop there. Now, if they actually do release a large portion of their Asian and Pacific roster in May...it would reflect as worse if not more so to some than the 9/11 show stuff. It could put a huge dent in hiring talent from said part of the world. Unfortunately I don't think they would care at the moment since they seem to think all their problems creating stars will be solved by athletes with the rare young independant name thrown in.
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 20, 2022 4:00:10 GMT -5
Japanese talents need to just follow Kushida and get outta this company. And talk about completely damaging if not outright locking yourself out of getting japanese talents in the future when they see what is ongoing. I hate to say it, but I don't think they particularly care: they've largely committed to "you've got to be able to talk, and that means speaking English without an international accent." Yeah I don't even know how many would meet their English language criteria these days if broken English won't be accepted. Especially with an assumption top names won't join. Yuki Kamifuku is the only one I can think of (although it's not like I'm an expert).
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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 20, 2022 4:49:03 GMT -5
I mean, I have Sarray as the number one or close to it of the WWE bunch but even though that's not totally insane among joshi fans I'm the wrong guy to ask lol. If I wiped my mind of all her other work and only judged on NXT I don't think I'd even come close to arriving at that opinion though, and it's an unfair expectation of WWE fans to factor any of that in the same way it's unfair to ask AEW fans to know about the names that debut etc. I just wish she'd been given the opportunity to show it more at this point in how long she's been signed is all. Still hoping for it but not exactly optimistic.
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Post by eJm on Apr 20, 2022 4:52:39 GMT -5
She's in the same sort of category as Kushida where you're not sure why they signed her considering that, unless they're going to let her be her like with Io and Asuka, it's absolutely not going to work out. You're basically signing someone highly regarded to have her start from square one and not be the wrestler you signed.
Which leads to discussions like we have above which just feels needless.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 20, 2022 5:18:18 GMT -5
I feel like every Japan talent in this company outside of Nakamura who is just comfortable in his position as long as he can keep it, will be out of this company as soon as they are able... just feels like the writing is on the wall, especially with people like Bruce Pritchard and Johnny Ace still in high profile jobs in the company. As long as Nakamura can keep surfing that dude is perfectly fine. The rest though I doubt uprooted their lives to sit around wasting away doing nothing. Kushida was the first preverbial domino in this to fall Jiro will very likely be next and then Sarray etc. On Nakamura, let's also remember this, everybody that knows him (and Balor to an extent) have flat out said to them their legacies are their work in Japan, and WWE is them having fun and getting paid. Pretty sure same is for Asuska As for Sarray, she and Kushida were hired when Triple H still had a lot of pull. For various reasons that's no longer the case.
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Post by J is Thunder Justice on Apr 20, 2022 5:32:59 GMT -5
Isn't Sarray DLC for WWE 2K22? It'd be funny if they released her before the DLC is out.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 20, 2022 8:44:04 GMT -5
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