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Post by knsffa on Apr 21, 2022 21:42:03 GMT -5
Oddly enough, a couple weeks ago they had Xia Li working as a Heel during a dark match against Aliyah. So, who knows what they have planned I don't think they have any idea what to do with their Asian talent right now, alignment wise. I also question the value of certain stars on the main roster right now as well. Aliyah isn't bringing anything to the table, even when she was featured she was underwhelming at best. I mentioned it earlier, but next month is "Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month", which NBCU takes a very active role in celebrating (and WWE assists in). Io is likely still going to be gone due to her injury, but Sarray is healthy. But they made the mistake of jobbing her out to Tiffany last Tuesday when it absolutely did not need to happen, so her being the face of the WWE side of the deal would be...uh...not great unless they give her a sudden injection of credibility, which they won't. I guess they could bring Asuka back, but I doubt people will take her seriously considering they pretty much retconned both her RAW Women's Championship reigns during the pandemic going by the story being told, along with her being kind of a complete loser right before she left to get her dental work done along with her shoulder fixed up. Basically anything WWE puts forward next month is going to ring incredibly hollow and scream of "cheap PR". I think they will focus on the 'Pacific Islander Heritage Month' part aka The Bloodline with everyone else who is represented by the month in the collage, commercials, etc. They will focus on how many persons they have signed, not how well they are booked, etc. So same as usual likely.
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Post by mistery on Apr 21, 2022 21:45:43 GMT -5
I don't think they have any idea what to do with their Asian talent right now, alignment wise. I also question the value of certain stars on the main roster right now as well. Aliyah isn't bringing anything to the table, even when she was featured she was underwhelming at best. I mentioned it earlier, but next month is "Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month", which NBCU takes a very active role in celebrating (and WWE assists in). Io is likely still going to be gone due to her injury, but Sarray is healthy. But they made the mistake of jobbing her out to Tiffany last Tuesday when it absolutely did not need to happen, so her being the face of the WWE side of the deal would be...uh...not great unless they give her a sudden injection of credibility, which they won't. I guess they could bring Asuka back, but I doubt people will take her seriously considering they pretty much retconned both her RAW Women's Championship reigns during the pandemic going by the story being told, along with her being kind of a complete loser right before she left to get her dental work done along with her shoulder fixed up. Basically anything WWE puts forward next month is going to ring incredibly hollow and scream of "cheap PR". I think they will focus on the 'Pacific Islander Heritage Month' part aka The Bloodline with everyone else who is represented by the month in the collage, commercials, etc. They will focus on how many persons they have signed, not how well they are booked, etc. So same as usual likely. Nah. I don't think any of the Bloodline were represented last year, as they are Smackdown stars, and FOX really does not care in the slightest about the event, which is why you never really see it plugged on Smackdown. FOX won't let The Bloodline do that kind of stuff for NBCU, to be frank. WWE is gonna have to get resourceful.
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Post by cjh on Apr 21, 2022 21:56:52 GMT -5
I think they will focus on the 'Pacific Islander Heritage Month' part aka The Bloodline with everyone else who is represented by the month in the collage, commercials, etc. They will focus on how many persons they have signed, not how well they are booked, etc. So same as usual likely. Nah. I don't think any of the Bloodline were represented last year, as they are Smackdown stars, and FOX really does not care in the slightest about the event, which is why you never really see it plugged on Smackdown. FOX won't let The Bloodline do that kind of stuff for NBCU, to be frank. WWE is gonna have to get resourceful. I doubt Fox would care. There's a good chance the Usos are going to be appearing on both shows every week pretty soon.
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Post by knsffa on Apr 21, 2022 22:03:05 GMT -5
I think they will focus on the 'Pacific Islander Heritage Month' part aka The Bloodline with everyone else who is represented by the month in the collage, commercials, etc. They will focus on how many persons they have signed, not how well they are booked, etc. So same as usual likely. Nah. I don't think any of the Bloodline were represented last year, as they are Smackdown stars, and FOX really does not care in the slightest about the event, which is why you never really see it plugged on Smackdown. FOX won't let The Bloodline do that kind of stuff for NBCU, to be frank. WWE is gonna have to get resourceful. This below was from last year. The pic had em at the front and the video had Asuka, Roman and Nia along with all the NBC Universal channels in a graphic at the end. Nia and Asuka were on RAW last spring. Roman was on Smackdown. So not out of the realm of possible, however does not change the fact this year except for Meiko if they decide to focus on her and NXT UK, they don't have anyone Asian on RAW, Smackdown and 2.0 they can front and center and actually say 'we're pushing them at the top'. www.wwe.com/videos/wwe-and-peacock-celebrate-asian-american-pacific-islander-month
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 22, 2022 3:01:33 GMT -5
To the OP; I need more evidence than your assumptions that WWE's directive with the women is as sinister as you're implying. Because this looks like the usual ineffective yo-yo booking they do with talents all over the world. I mean the evidence is clearly right on TV right now. You have Shinsuke getting chumped on by Roman for no reason, Io ate the pin in the fatal four way and isn't on the callup list despite being one of the most popular fan favorites in NXT and was the most protected woman in NXT (especially in a match where KLR or Cora could have eaten the pin just fine), WWE made no effort to try and keep Kushida around and he ended up leaving, and Ikeman Jiro got made to look like a complete fool against Von Wagoner. And then you have Sarray who is buried ten feet under right now, with WWE making no effort to try and actually make her look like even remotely a threat, along with being given a gimmick that is racially questionable. Notice a pattern here? Everyone getting chumped on is Japanese/Asian. And it's only them being targeted specifically right now. And has been for awhile. Keep in mind that they rendered Asuka completely ineffective (kayfabe wise) at the end of 2020 and through half of 2021 as well. You would have to be blind to not connect the dots right now. I could see that being less of them not liking Io and more of a case of them feeling that with how protected she has been and her being a former champion that Mandy beating her would legitimize her more as champion and face of the division which like it or not is clearly what their main intention is as that's been very obvious since the relaunch. Mandy pinning KLR or Cora wouldn't do anything for her especially since she had already previously pinned both. As for her not being called up I wonder if maybe she was planned to brought up post Stand and Deliver but her injury forced them to delay plans.
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Post by mistery on Apr 22, 2022 7:14:56 GMT -5
I mean the evidence is clearly right on TV right now. You have Shinsuke getting chumped on by Roman for no reason, Io ate the pin in the fatal four way and isn't on the callup list despite being one of the most popular fan favorites in NXT and was the most protected woman in NXT (especially in a match where KLR or Cora could have eaten the pin just fine), WWE made no effort to try and keep Kushida around and he ended up leaving, and Ikeman Jiro got made to look like a complete fool against Von Wagoner. And then you have Sarray who is buried ten feet under right now, with WWE making no effort to try and actually make her look like even remotely a threat, along with being given a gimmick that is racially questionable. Notice a pattern here? Everyone getting chumped on is Japanese/Asian. And it's only them being targeted specifically right now. And has been for awhile. Keep in mind that they rendered Asuka completely ineffective (kayfabe wise) at the end of 2020 and through half of 2021 as well. You would have to be blind to not connect the dots right now. I could see that being less of them not liking Io and more of a case of them feeling that with how protected she has been and her being a former champion that Mandy beating her would legitimize her more as champion and face of the division which like it or not is clearly what their main intention is as that's been very obvious since the relaunch. Mandy pinning KLR or Cora wouldn't do anything for her especially since she had already previously pinned both. As for her not being called up I wonder if maybe she was planned to brought up post Stand and Deliver but her injury forced them to delay plans. SRS mentioned in a Q&A session on his Patreon that Io wasn't on any callup list he saw. That they had no plans to call her up. Also why they are trying to legitimize Mandy is baffling since Toxic Attraction is being almost universally rejected outside of places like this site. Mandy is a godawful champion. She does nothing for the show or the people she works with.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 22, 2022 8:52:03 GMT -5
I could see that being less of them not liking Io and more of a case of them feeling that with how protected she has been and her being a former champion that Mandy beating her would legitimize her more as champion and face of the division which like it or not is clearly what their main intention is as that's been very obvious since the relaunch. Mandy pinning KLR or Cora wouldn't do anything for her especially since she had already previously pinned both. As for her not being called up I wonder if maybe she was planned to brought up post Stand and Deliver but her injury forced them to delay plans. SRS mentioned in a Q&A session on his Patreon that Io wasn't on any callup list he saw. That they had no plans to call her up. Also why they are trying to legitimize Mandy is baffling since Toxic Attraction is being almost universally rejected outside of places like this site. Mandy is a godawful champion. She does nothing for the show or the people she works with. Toxic Attraction seems to be a pretty popular act. Their quarter hours have had some of the highest rated segments of the shows they’ve been on.
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Post by mistery on Apr 22, 2022 9:11:44 GMT -5
SRS mentioned in a Q&A session on his Patreon that Io wasn't on any callup list he saw. That they had no plans to call her up. Also why they are trying to legitimize Mandy is baffling since Toxic Attraction is being almost universally rejected outside of places like this site. Mandy is a godawful champion. She does nothing for the show or the people she works with. Toxic Attraction seems to be a pretty popular act. Their quarter hours have had some of the highest rated segments of the shows they’ve been on. Highest rated segments on a show that has lost a significant chunk of viewers since the rebrand is not really an accomplishment. Especially since 18-49 tends to be down during their segments. Because what a shock, if people want to see women do all sorts of sexy poses or whatever, they have the internet for that now. That's something Bruce, Vince, or whoever don't seem to understand. The show's constant horniness is awful and turns off younger viewers. It doesn't help that Mandy herself is not a draw since her last few big advertised matches on NXT have actually led to some of the lowest ratings for the show. She's an awful champion who WWE is trying to present as a legit threat after five years of booking her as nothing more than a joke. She's basically the new Jinder Mahal, except replace "pandering to India" with "pandering to horny". If there are things people are going to take away from her NXT Women's Title reign, it'll be: Her singles matches have been below average at best (hence her being constantly booked in multiwoman matches), and she's one of the worst promos in NXT outside of Nikkita (who is new, tbf), and Natalya. Keep in mind she's still THIS BAD after 5 years of being in WWE. That shouldn't be possible, but it is. Meanwhile you have women like Io Shirai and Sarray who are being pushed to the side (or injured) just because WWE has this warped idea that constant nonstop horniness will bring in viewers, when its pretty much factual that its not true with their YoY ratings pretty much down the toilet right now. It doesn't help that the top two babyfaces (Cora and Roxanne) share the same exact gimmick in being "WWE superfans". And all of the heels share the same gimmick of being "mean girls with small tweaks". Meanwhile the actual babyfaces with unique gimmicks (even if they suck, but they still suck less than the WWE Superfan gimmick) are either being fed to Mandy or buried. Or both. Bryan summed it up nicely on the B&V show last night while reviewing NXT. They spent months building up Sarray and her new gimmick, just to immediately kill it off because they wanted to boost Tiffany who hasn't worked any sort of real decent length match yet, on top of her being thrown into the ring with women who are much better than her (it was also mentioned we basically know nothing about her other than she's generic mean girl heel #36). He went on to say that people probably shouldn't be shocked if we don't see Sarray again on NXT TV after that, because he outright called it a squash match and a burial and felt it was the intention.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Apr 22, 2022 21:37:27 GMT -5
Toxic Attraction seems to be a pretty popular act. Their quarter hours have had some of the highest rated segments of the shows they’ve been on. Highest rated segments on a show that has lost a significant chunk of viewers since the rebrand is not really an accomplishment. Especially since 18-49 tends to be down during their segments. Because what a shock, if people want to see women do all sorts of sexy poses or whatever, they have the internet for that now. That's something Bruce, Vince, or whoever don't seem to understand. The show's constant horniness is awful and turns off younger viewers. It doesn't help that Mandy herself is not a draw since her last few big advertised matches on NXT have actually led to some of the lowest ratings for the show. She's an awful champion who WWE is trying to present as a legit threat after five years of booking her as nothing more than a joke. She's basically the new Jinder Mahal, except replace "pandering to India" with "pandering to horny". If there are things people are going to take away from her NXT Women's Title reign, it'll be: Her singles matches have been below average at best (hence her being constantly booked in multiwoman matches), and she's one of the worst promos in NXT outside of Nikkita (who is new, tbf), and Natalya. Keep in mind she's still THIS BAD after 5 years of being in WWE. That shouldn't be possible, but it is. Meanwhile you have women like Io Shirai and Sarray who are being pushed to the side (or injured) just because WWE has this warped idea that constant nonstop horniness will bring in viewers, when its pretty much factual that its not true with their YoY ratings pretty much down the toilet right now. It doesn't help that the top two babyfaces (Cora and Roxanne) share the same exact gimmick in being "WWE superfans". And all of the heels share the same gimmick of being "mean girls with small tweaks". Meanwhile the actual babyfaces with unique gimmicks (even if they suck, but they still suck less than the WWE Superfan gimmick) are either being fed to Mandy or buried. Or both. Bryan summed it up nicely on the B&V show last night while reviewing NXT. They spent months building up Sarray and her new gimmick, just to immediately kill it off because they wanted to boost Tiffany who hasn't worked any sort of real decent length match yet, on top of her being thrown into the ring with women who are much better than her (it was also mentioned we basically know nothing about her other than she's generic mean girl heel #36). He went on to say that people probably shouldn't be shocked if we don't see Sarray again on NXT TV after that, because he outright called it a squash match and a burial and felt it was the intention. This is 100% wrong. Mandy has been one of the most improved talents in all facets in WWE since heading back to NXT, Toxic Attraction are VERY over (just look at Stand and Deliver where Mandy was very strongly cheered), and they're far from ratings poison. All of which, by the way, are easily proven.
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Post by mistery on Apr 22, 2022 21:43:24 GMT -5
Highest rated segments on a show that has lost a significant chunk of viewers since the rebrand is not really an accomplishment. Especially since 18-49 tends to be down during their segments. Because what a shock, if people want to see women do all sorts of sexy poses or whatever, they have the internet for that now. That's something Bruce, Vince, or whoever don't seem to understand. The show's constant horniness is awful and turns off younger viewers. It doesn't help that Mandy herself is not a draw since her last few big advertised matches on NXT have actually led to some of the lowest ratings for the show. She's an awful champion who WWE is trying to present as a legit threat after five years of booking her as nothing more than a joke. She's basically the new Jinder Mahal, except replace "pandering to India" with "pandering to horny". If there are things people are going to take away from her NXT Women's Title reign, it'll be: Her singles matches have been below average at best (hence her being constantly booked in multiwoman matches), and she's one of the worst promos in NXT outside of Nikkita (who is new, tbf), and Natalya. Keep in mind she's still THIS BAD after 5 years of being in WWE. That shouldn't be possible, but it is. Meanwhile you have women like Io Shirai and Sarray who are being pushed to the side (or injured) just because WWE has this warped idea that constant nonstop horniness will bring in viewers, when its pretty much factual that its not true with their YoY ratings pretty much down the toilet right now. It doesn't help that the top two babyfaces (Cora and Roxanne) share the same exact gimmick in being "WWE superfans". And all of the heels share the same gimmick of being "mean girls with small tweaks". Meanwhile the actual babyfaces with unique gimmicks (even if they suck, but they still suck less than the WWE Superfan gimmick) are either being fed to Mandy or buried. Or both. Bryan summed it up nicely on the B&V show last night while reviewing NXT. They spent months building up Sarray and her new gimmick, just to immediately kill it off because they wanted to boost Tiffany who hasn't worked any sort of real decent length match yet, on top of her being thrown into the ring with women who are much better than her (it was also mentioned we basically know nothing about her other than she's generic mean girl heel #36). He went on to say that people probably shouldn't be shocked if we don't see Sarray again on NXT TV after that, because he outright called it a squash match and a burial and felt it was the intention. This is 100% wrong. Mandy has been one of the most improved talents in all facets in WWE since heading back to NXT, Toxic Attraction are VERY over (just look at Stand and Deliver where Mandy was very strongly cheered), and they're far from ratings poison. All of which, by the way, are easily proven. You mean the same Stand and Deliver where Io Shirai was more over than Mandy? And she (Mandy) hasn't improved at all either character or wrestling wise, it's just her booking has improved. The fact that they had to add in KLR and Io to the title match at Stand and Deliver because they realized a Cora/Mandy match would be bad should be setting off alarm bells. In fact, I think most of Mandy's matches as champion so far have either been stipulation matches or multi-woman matches to cover up how bad she actually is. Plus I think considering they took the title off of Io Shirai and put it on Raquel Gonzalez, WWE isn't looking at ratings as the end-all be-all either, even though they should be. Also Toxic Attraction isn't as over as you think they are. If they spent the same energy trying to push women like Sarray and letting them connect with the audience opposed to Mandy Rose Push #372, maybe they would have more future stars on their hands. But at the end of the day, Mandy and Toxic Attraction as a group is whatever, but they shouldn't be holding any of the gold right now, as all of their reigns have gotten beyond stale.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Apr 22, 2022 21:51:17 GMT -5
This is 100% wrong. Mandy has been one of the most improved talents in all facets in WWE since heading back to NXT, Toxic Attraction are VERY over (just look at Stand and Deliver where Mandy was very strongly cheered), and they're far from ratings poison. All of which, by the way, are easily proven. You mean the same Stand and Deliver where Io Shirai was more over than Mandy? And she (Mandy) hasn't improved at all. The fact that they had to add in KLR and Io to the title match at Stand and Deliver because they realized a Cora/Mandy match would be bad should be setting off alarm bells. In fact, I think most of Mandy's matches as champion so far have either been stipulation matches or multi-woman matches to cover up how bad she actually is. Plus I think considering they took the title off of Io Shirai and put it on Raquel Gonzalez, WWE isn't looking at ratings as the end-all be-all either, even though they should be. Also Toxic Attraction isn't as over as you think they are. If they spent the same energy trying to push women like Sarray and letting them connect with the audience opposed to Mandy Rose Push #372, maybe they would have more future stars on their hands. But at the end of the day, Mandy and Toxic Attraction as a group is whatever, but they shouldn't be holding any of the gold right now, as all of their reigns have gotten beyond stale. Not as over as I think, Mandy being terrible? I don't think we're watching the same show at all here.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 22, 2022 22:56:03 GMT -5
Basically anything WWE puts forward next month is going to ring incredibly hollow and scream of "cheap PR". WWE putting forth an extremely hollow PR campaign for a minority-themed month? That would never happen! ![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/fa/4f/59fa4ff0d54701337ed55c0f35739c01.jpg)
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 23, 2022 0:20:56 GMT -5
Xia Li returned to TV this week, to seemingly turn heel out of nowhere?
Vince, Bruce, and Johnny Ace seem to be really leaning into the “foreign heel” stereotype these days.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2022 1:45:31 GMT -5
Nah. I don't think any of the Bloodline were represented last year, as they are Smackdown stars, and FOX really does not care in the slightest about the event, which is why you never really see it plugged on Smackdown. FOX won't let The Bloodline do that kind of stuff for NBCU, to be frank. WWE is gonna have to get resourceful. This below was from last year. The pic had em at the front and the video had Asuka, Roman and Nia along with all the NBC Universal channels in a graphic at the end. Nia and Asuka were on RAW last spring. Roman was on Smackdown. So not out of the realm of possible, however does not change the fact this year except for Meiko if they decide to focus on her and NXT UK, they don't have anyone Asian on RAW, Smackdown and 2.0 they can front and center and actually say 'we're pushing them at the top'. www.wwe.com/videos/wwe-and-peacock-celebrate-asian-american-pacific-islander-monthYou know how they can celebrate their asian American talent this year? by f***ing giving Ali his release.
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