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Post by mistery on Apr 19, 2022 19:27:23 GMT -5
So Sarray lost her feud with Tiffany Stratton, which was a match she desperately needed to win. What do you think her future in NXT is? Because it feels like she's on the fast track to being released, after not being given a fair chance in this company.
Like there is no room for doubt anymore, she's completely buried and its pretty clear there's a directive to bury Japanese talents in the company.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 19:33:01 GMT -5
Japanese talents need to just follow Kushida and get outta this company.
And talk about completely damaging if not outright locking yourself out of getting japanese talents in the future when they see what is ongoing.
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Post by mistery on Apr 19, 2022 19:35:49 GMT -5
Japanese talents need to just follow Kushida and get outta this company. And talk about completely damaging if not outright locking yourself out of getting japanese talents in the future when they see what is ongoing. Like I said, this is setting up WWE for one hell of a nasty backlash among the Asian community. I mean #SarrayDeservesBetter is already trending on Twitter, and people are taking notice of WWE's booking of Asian talents ever since last year has really taken a nosedive.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 19, 2022 19:40:28 GMT -5
Japanese talents need to just follow Kushida and get outta this company. And talk about completely damaging if not outright locking yourself out of getting japanese talents in the future when they see what is ongoing. I hate to say it, but I don't think they particularly care: they've largely committed to "you've got to be able to talk, and that means speaking English without an international accent." Look at how many years we've now spent hearing that WWE wants a new Latin wrestler to be "the next Rey Mysterio", and then look at how WWE has booked the vast majority of those guys; the work doesn't really feel like it's being done. You can't go on and on about wanting to reach international markets but then also say you only want wrestlers who can come in and comfortably cut in-ring promos in English. They'll certainly give some pushes to non-native English speakers, but it does come off like the glass ceiling is pretty thick. I don't want to overplay it, Nakamura's about to get another shot at the big belt and Asuka is obviously trusted as an upper card name for the women's division, but they have their way of doing things and they're sticking with it, even when they come out and say something that sounds contradictory.
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Post by mistery on Apr 19, 2022 19:42:00 GMT -5
Japanese talents need to just follow Kushida and get outta this company. And talk about completely damaging if not outright locking yourself out of getting japanese talents in the future when they see what is ongoing. I hate to say it, but I don't think they particularly care: they've largely committed to "you've got to be able to talk, and that means speaking English without an international accent." Look at how many years we've now spent hearing that WWE wants a new Latin wrestler to be "the next Rey Mysterio", and then look at how WWE has booked the vast majority of those guys; the work doesn't really feel like it's being done. You can't go on and on about wanting to reach international markets but then also say you only want wrestlers who can come in and comfortably cut in-ring promos in English. They'll certainly give some pushes to non-native English speakers, but it does come off like the glass ceiling is pretty thick. I don't want to overplay it, Nakamura's about to get another shot at the big belt and Asuka is obviously trusted as an upper card name for the women's division, but they have their way of doing things and they're sticking with it, even when they come out and say something that sounds contradictory. It's really goddamn funny because Nick Khan has outright said they are seriously looking to break into the Japanese market more, but then they turn around and do stuff like this. WWE is about to lock themselves out of an entire generation of Japanese talents all because of racism.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 19, 2022 19:42:27 GMT -5
It's pretty clear to me that there is no future for anyone Japanese in this company except maybe Asuka and even then I wouldn't put money on it.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 19, 2022 19:46:01 GMT -5
It's pretty clear to me that there is no future for anyone Japanese in this company except maybe Asuka and even then I wouldn't put money on it. I'd say Nakamura and Asuka are part of the present of the company, but certainly not its future by any means. And they damn sure aren't grooming any replacements for them if they want a solid-midcard or higher fixture to replace them as token Asian representation.
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Post by mistery on Apr 19, 2022 19:52:33 GMT -5
It's pretty clear to me that there is no future for anyone Japanese in this company except maybe Asuka and even then I wouldn't put money on it. I'd say Nakamura and Asuka are part of the present of the company, but certainly not its future by any means. And they damn sure aren't grooming any replacements for them if they want a solid-midcard or higher fixture to replace them as token Asian representation. It's because of racism. Full on racism. You have Paige who pretty much confirmed on a twitch stream that while the Kabuki Warriors were on Smackdown, Bruce Pritchard was actively going out of his way to hurt their image because "they are too exotic and foreign" to get over. But when they got moved over to RAW under Heyman's view, they became one of the most over acts in the company with some of the best merch numbers to boot. But once Bruce got full control over creative, Asuka's booking suffered, KAIRI went back to Japan, and Io started getting heavily deemphasized in NXT (especially 2.0). Yes Asuka got a RAW Women's Title reign, but only because Becky pushed hard for it. No other Asian woman is going to get that treatment on the main roster.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 19:57:54 GMT -5
With pretty much every other company having stronger inroads to the talents in Mexico and Japan probably aint the smartest thing to be treating international talent like they currently are.
But WWE are king dumbasses so.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 19, 2022 20:02:25 GMT -5
She's cooked, there's basically nowhere for her to go now and she'll be DOA on the main roster if they promote to the main roster.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 19, 2022 20:05:10 GMT -5
Sarray is one of my favs. She's a real prodigy and one of the best to have come up in a while and I put her among the very elite. Personally her 2019 and then outstanding SEAd work in 2020 after sitting on her ass trying to wait out the pandemic and being allowed to still wrestle by WWE was some of the best I've seen. I've never had a problem with her losing, per se, though. In fact I thought it was important to separate her from dominant runs by Asuka and Io. My main issue in NXT has been the absolute avoidance of playing to her strengths and letting her show off in longer matches or tag matches with established and capable talent to get her over.
But yeah this loss on the heels of everything else with her booking is just dumb. She looks like a goober especially if the idea was for the idea to be that she needed to transform/amulet to not get cheated, when she just lost clean to someone backing into them as a counter. It looks like they submarined the entire thing her gimmick change hinged upon. So yeah, putting on bangers and being pushed over or equal to all the top joshi and having uncomfortably bloody matches with Kong this is not lol.
I dunno. I think we can ditch the "hey it'll work out this is all story" part at this point. I'm not sure what I would want her to do. She's been pretty open about wanting to be in WWE before so even if I selfishly want to watch her wrestle beyond those limits who am I to say otherwise if that's so? AEW's women's division she'd probably be more active on YouTube but I have a hard time seeing them give her her worth on TV with their track record. I suppose STARDOM is something people would assume but I don't see her as a great fit really and would prefer not, but it's probably the best of those three options at the moment. Top dollar freelancer is what I would prefer, especially since joshi freelancers are having a bit of a moment now, but I understand why one company would be the priority.
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Post by Totorob101 on Apr 19, 2022 20:08:21 GMT -5
She's finished and fully expect her release soon as she just doesn't have anything the company wants in a talent now. She and Io don't belong in NXT and hopefully the E does the right thing and let them go and be awesome elsewhere,Sarray is an easy release but I have a feeling they might try to do an Ali with Io Shirai and not let her go without using her.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 19, 2022 20:11:07 GMT -5
How would you rate her talent level compared to the other joshi women that have come over? She’s never seemed in-ring to me to be on the level of Io, Asuka and Kairi.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 19, 2022 20:14:34 GMT -5
I'd say Nakamura and Asuka are part of the present of the company, but certainly not its future by any means. And they damn sure aren't grooming any replacements for them if they want a solid-midcard or higher fixture to replace them as token Asian representation. It's because of racism. Full on racism. You have Paige who pretty much confirmed on a twitch stream that while the Kabuki Warriors were on Smackdown, Bruce Pritchard was actively going out of his way to hurt their image because "they are too exotic and foreign" to get over. But when they got moved over to RAW under Heyman's view, they became one of the most over acts in the company with some of the best merch numbers to boot. But once Bruce got full control over creative, Asuka's booking suffered, KAIRI went back to Japan, and Io started getting heavily deemphasized in NXT (especially 2.0). Yes Asuka got a RAW Women's Title reign, but only because Becky pushed hard for it. No other Asian woman is going to get that treatment on the main roster. Do you have a link to Paige saying that or anyone recapping it? You say it often but if I search for anything related to that, only your posts on this forum come up (like the Charlotte/Mark Henry Busted Open story).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 20:14:48 GMT -5
How would you rate her talent level compared to the other joshi women that have come over? She’s never seemed in-ring to me to be on the level of Io, Asuka and Kairi. I think you can argue placement for everone but Io who sits firmly at #1 if we were to rank them. I would put Sarray on par with Asuka.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 19, 2022 20:16:24 GMT -5
How would you rate her talent level compared to the other joshi women that have come over? She’s never seemed in-ring to me to be on the level of Io, Asuka and Kairi. I think you can argue placement for everone but Io who sits firmly at #1 if we were to rank them. I would put Sarray on par with Asuka. Interesting. That hasn’t really come across in her work here in the States, at least from what I’ve seen in NXT.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 20:18:07 GMT -5
She's finished and fully expect her release soon as she just doesn't have anything the company wants in a talent now. She and Io don't belong in NXT and hopefully the E does the right thing and let them go and be awesome elsewhere,Sarray is an easy release but I have a feeling they might try to do an Ali with Io Shirai and not let her go without using her. Io is coming up on 5yrs and the usual NXT contract is or was for 3 but I think she was one of the talents who signed that new deal when offered to them like 2 or so years ago. So if her contract is not up this year it should be next year and things will get interesting because no single doubt in mind is there going to be a massive bidding war for her talents as there should be and if things do not change for the better she is absoloutley gone from the company when the time comes.
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Post by mistery on Apr 19, 2022 20:18:48 GMT -5
It's because of racism. Full on racism. You have Paige who pretty much confirmed on a twitch stream that while the Kabuki Warriors were on Smackdown, Bruce Pritchard was actively going out of his way to hurt their image because "they are too exotic and foreign" to get over. But when they got moved over to RAW under Heyman's view, they became one of the most over acts in the company with some of the best merch numbers to boot. But once Bruce got full control over creative, Asuka's booking suffered, KAIRI went back to Japan, and Io started getting heavily deemphasized in NXT (especially 2.0). Yes Asuka got a RAW Women's Title reign, but only because Becky pushed hard for it. No other Asian woman is going to get that treatment on the main roster. Do you have a link to Paige saying that or anyone recapping it? You say it often but if I search for anything related to that, only your posts on this forum come up. Getting similar vibes to the Charlotte/Mark Henry story. It's on Paige's twitch page, or was considering Twitch auto deletes VODs and clips after awhile. Good lord dude. We get it, you think WWE can do no wrong and there is no racism or discriminatory booking going on when you can totally see it happening right now with all of their Japanese talents being heavily deemphasized or outright buried. How would you rate her talent level compared to the other joshi women that have come over? She’s never seemed in-ring to me to be on the level of Io, Asuka and Kairi. She's basically an Asuka level. She's not a flashy wrestler, but works a very safe style and is stiff and technical.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 19, 2022 20:20:07 GMT -5
Nakamura's about to get another shot at the big belt I'm not even sure that he will, considering he wasn't on Smackdown last week and the match hasn't even been confirmed. Hell, it wouldn't be the least bit shocking if the match was pulled, because after Shinsuke was left lying in the middle of the ring, nobody is buying that Nakamura has a hope in hell of beating Roman and as a result, nobody gives a f*** about the match.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 20:21:04 GMT -5
I think you can argue placement for everone but Io who sits firmly at #1 if we were to rank them. I would put Sarray on par with Asuka. Interesting. That hasn’t really come across in her work here in the States, at least from what I’ve seen in NXT. That is the unfortunate thing about all the Joshi...they all have to hold back so much and it really muddles the perception for people that have never seen their work before WWE came calling.
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