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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 8, 2023 22:59:56 GMT -5
It's not unusual for shows to take a season or two find their footing (see nearly every Star Trek show), but what about shows that did the opposite and hit their stride early on then quickly fell off?
Never actually watched it myself but feel like the king of this is Heroes. Was a huge deal with the first season and after that it just rapidly fell off in terms of anyone caring about it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 8, 2023 23:20:17 GMT -5
Heroes. Fantastic first season, barely worth a shit afterwards.
Sherlock, to a lesser extent. It wasn't a dramatic drop off, but steadily diminishing returns almost all the way.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jan 8, 2023 23:23:58 GMT -5
I enjoyed the first season of Glee
Every episode afterwards I grew to hate that show over more and more
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Post by Cyno on Jan 8, 2023 23:31:07 GMT -5
Glee and Heroes are really good examples.
I also think Batwoman peaked at S1. S2 had some good individual episodes, but S2 and 3 were a lot weaker than the first after all the backstage drama between Ruby Rose and the showrunner and studio made them get rid of the title character instead of simply recasting (which they did later on anyway!). Didn't help that the new Batwoman felt like a side character in what was supposed to be her own show. It also did what a lot of modern so-called progressive-minded things do and thought Jews were the one minority it's okay to erase in your diverse cast.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 8, 2023 23:35:09 GMT -5
I loved the first season of How to Get Away with Murder. Every season after that just felt like the writers trying to get out of a plot they didn't want anymore.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 8, 2023 23:38:43 GMT -5
I think time's going to make Doom Patrol be largely looked at this way. I need to get back to season 4 but of the remainder, season 2 while still pretty good is marred by having a far less interesting villain and overdoing it on the Underground stuff (which is consistently the worst part of the show) as well as the abrupt ending due to COVID and season 3 while still very watchable is mostly just an aimless mess trying to find new things for the characters to do that also has waaaaay too much of the Underground in it.
It's not bad after the first season by any means, still very enjoyable, but I do think between most characters having satisfying arcs within the first season and the strength of Mr. Nobody as a villain that the subsequent seasons have had a hard time living up to it.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 8, 2023 23:42:06 GMT -5
And while I thought Season 2 was the peak of the show in terms of writing and story arcs and there were good moments through a lot of the later seasons, you can make a really good case for Supergirl peaking at Season 1. At least the VFX budget did. The downgrade from "CBS budget" to "CW Budget" was very noticeable. >_> There does seem to be a trend of the Arrowverse shows peaking in earlier seasons and struggling with mid-later seasons. Except for Legends of Tomorrow where the first season was dire, but really leaning into the absurd and comedy in later seasons is what made the show so popular.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 8, 2023 23:44:56 GMT -5
Anime example, The Promised Neverland. Season 1 was widely beloved and had people super pumped up, then for whatever reason for season 2 they decided to skip past a ton of stuff people actually liked from the manga after that and go straight into the already divisive endgame for some reason while changing things in a way that just made it all the worse.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jan 8, 2023 23:56:55 GMT -5
Firefly. It was so good, the network executives realized it and didn't renew it, so the fans wouldn't be disappointed.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jan 9, 2023 0:06:35 GMT -5
Does Digimon Adventure count?
I remember thinking the original show was very very good, but absolutely hated the subsequent seasons. And virtually everyone I talked to about the show ripped it for being bad, but I always wondered if they were referring to the later seasons.
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Post by Mike Strike on Jan 9, 2023 0:09:03 GMT -5
I feel like there might be a case to be made that Pokemon is this. Like sure, S1 was back when the the franchise was less....regulated than it is now. That there was more Room for wild ideas and experimentation back before a lot of the world building got set in stone. A ghastly that creates illusions like a venusaur/blastoise hybrid. The occasional appearance of real world animals (such as the aforementioned ghastly also creating a mongoose illusion). Clefairies being from the moon and building their own spaceship. A crystal onix that actually was probably an orange island episode. Tentacools declaring war on the land long before Team Aqua made it not cool. Ash getting a bunch of guns pointed at him, hell guns existing period. Weird shit happened all the time and it was always fun to what happened next.
On the other hand, it also definitely suffers from still figuring things out and the rough patches show (Misty and Brock not having a whole lot to do themselves). And some later gens like DP and XYZ are highly regarded, so... *shrugs*
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 0:13:24 GMT -5
I love batman, but the first season plays it completely straight, with the biggest budget they would have. The second season is in on the joke and self aware, and the third season has zero budget with stand up sets for scenery. It's all a good show to watch, it's just you deciding if you want a serious show, or a comical farce by the end of it.
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 9, 2023 0:18:15 GMT -5
I love batman, but the first season plays it completely straight, with the biggest budget they would have. The second season is in on the joke and self aware, and the third season has zero budget with stand up sets for scenery. It's all a good show to watch, it's just you deciding if you want a serious show, or a comical farce by the end of it. I had to double take to see if you were talking about the 60s series or the 90s Animated series (some would say it peaked before Robin became more regular and especially before the redesign to be more in line with Superman's animated series).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 0:23:42 GMT -5
I love batman, but the first season plays it completely straight, with the biggest budget they would have. The second season is in on the joke and self aware, and the third season has zero budget with stand up sets for scenery. It's all a good show to watch, it's just you deciding if you want a serious show, or a comical farce by the end of it. I had to double take to see if you were talking about the 60s series or the 90s Animated series (some would say it peaked before Robin became more regular and especially before the redesign to be more in line with Superman's animated series). 66-68 adam west batman, three seasons. First season is played completely straight, has all of the budget and hype around it. Second season still has budget, but the show is aware that people are watching and find it funny, so it leans more into light hearted type of stuff. third season has zero budget and seems like a parody of itself
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 9, 2023 0:27:06 GMT -5
I had to double take to see if you were talking about the 60s series or the 90s Animated series (some would say it peaked before Robin became more regular and especially before the redesign to be more in line with Superman's animated series). 66-68 adam west batman, three seasons. First season is played completely straight, has all of the budget and hype around it. Second season still has budget, but the show is aware that people are watching and find it funny, so it leans more into light hearted type of stuff. third season has zero budget and seems like a parody of itself Yeah, I figured after you said sets, but did have to make that note about TAS. Though the thing with Season 3 is most of the budget seemed to be put into making Batgirl prominent enough to get her own spin-off (I mean, she had her own theme early on). Didn't work but at least she became a comic staple.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 0:36:24 GMT -5
66-68 adam west batman, three seasons. First season is played completely straight, has all of the budget and hype around it. Second season still has budget, but the show is aware that people are watching and find it funny, so it leans more into light hearted type of stuff. third season has zero budget and seems like a parody of itself Yeah, I figured after you said sets, but did have to make that note about TAS. Though the thing with Season 3 is most of the budget seemed to be put into making Batgirl prominent enough to get her own spin-off (I mean, she had her own theme early on). Didn't work but at least she became a comic staple. yes, they went from two parters "same bat time, same bat channel" to one half hour shows with "coming next episode...." villain teases at the end of the episode. They got rid of the wayne manor living set and aunt harriet (she appeared twice in season three as a "...oh there you are!" cameo), the music was different in the third season. They were teasing bruce wayne and barbara gordon dating, dick greyson could drive starting at that point. The story that I always heard was they cancelled the show, and then tore down the batcave set before they could get season 4 signed with another network, so when another network wanted the show, the set was already torn down and they didn't want the expense of rebuilding it. And I remember people asking where did barbara gordon get all of the batgirl stuff from. Bruce wayne was a millionaire expert scientist who could just buy and build all of his own batman stuff. Where was barbara getting all of her stuff from
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 9, 2023 0:41:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I figured after you said sets, but did have to make that note about TAS. Though the thing with Season 3 is most of the budget seemed to be put into making Batgirl prominent enough to get her own spin-off (I mean, she had her own theme early on). Didn't work but at least she became a comic staple. yes, they went from two parters "same bat time, same bat channel" to one half hour shows with "coming next episode...." villain teases at the end of the episode. They got rid of the wayne manor living set and aunt harriet (she appeared twice in season three as a "...oh there you are!" cameo), the music was different in the third season. They were teasing bruce wayne and barbara gordon dating, dick greyson could drive starting at that point. The story that I always heard was they cancelled the show, and then tore down the batcave set before they could get season 4 signed with another network, so when another network wanted the show, the set was already torn down and they didn't want the expense of rebuilding it. And I remember people asking where did barbara gordon get all of the batgirl stuff from. Bruce wayne was a millionaire expert scientist who could just buy and build all of his own batman stuff. Where was barbara getting all of her stuff from Oh, so that's where Bruce Timm gets it from. Side note: I know he was probably older than a teen at that point, and the budget for it wouldn't have really been there, but now I'm picturing a Burt Ward led Teen Titan series and wonder what late 60s/early 70s actors would play Kid Flash, Wonder Girl, Aqualad and Speedy.
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Post by Mike Strike on Jan 9, 2023 0:48:09 GMT -5
Does Digimon Adventure count? I remember thinking the original show was very very good, but absolutely hated the subsequent seasons. And virtually everyone I talked to about the show ripped it for being bad, but I always wondered if they were referring to the later seasons. Hell naw man, Tamers was the best season by far. It was darker, death mattered with no convenient respawn option, it actually expkained what made the Digital World....."digital" and gave it a proper origin story. Rika is the best written female character in the franchise by far (while Renamon is certainly the most popular). The power levels are more balanced in the with 5 total mega levels instead of only the 2 main guys getting them. And I loved the idea that digivolving didn't come cheap. That the kids had to be more involved in battles. They had to use their playing cards strategically to win over stronger foes. Way better than just activating evolution and then doing ****-all cheerleading. It's like this whole season was made to counter every nitpick I had with the 1st 2. But then there's oparthenct above all of that which really sells it. An etneral question seen countless times on fan forums for both Digimon and Pokemon fandoms for literal decades: "What if they were real?" What if Digimon were real? What if Pokemon were real? What digimon partner would you have? What pokemon team would you have? What if you were isekai'ed into the Pokemon world? Etc. Etc. Etc. Tamers is a show that actually answers this question! It is a world where Digimon is fiction and Takato dreams of what it'd be like to have his own digimon. And then one day he discovers they are real and he does get a partner, and all of the wonderous joys AND horrible terrors that come with this reality. It is such an obvious yet underutilized premise to do with both IPs. And then we got Frontiers which shat on everything Tamers did right and sucked digiass.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 1:07:27 GMT -5
yes, they went from two parters "same bat time, same bat channel" to one half hour shows with "coming next episode...." villain teases at the end of the episode. They got rid of the wayne manor living set and aunt harriet (she appeared twice in season three as a "...oh there you are!" cameo), the music was different in the third season. They were teasing bruce wayne and barbara gordon dating, dick greyson could drive starting at that point. The story that I always heard was they cancelled the show, and then tore down the batcave set before they could get season 4 signed with another network, so when another network wanted the show, the set was already torn down and they didn't want the expense of rebuilding it. And I remember people asking where did barbara gordon get all of the batgirl stuff from. Bruce wayne was a millionaire expert scientist who could just buy and build all of his own batman stuff. Where was barbara getting all of her stuff from Oh, so that's where Bruce Timm gets it from. Side note: I know he was probably older than a teen at that point, and the budget for it wouldn't have really been there, but now I'm picturing a Burt Ward led Teen Titan series and wonder what late 60s/early 70s actors would play Kid Flash, Wonder Girl, Aqualad and Speedy.Yeah, they have bruce and barbara dating (it's the 60s, so nothing too heavy or anything), but batman has no idea who batgirl is, alfred knows and helps her out with stuff, and both batman and batgirl get a little suspicious with alfred a couple of times of "I know you know who they are, but I'll respect you to keep it a secret just like you keep mine a secret." Have you seen that show from the 70s, where adam west and burt ward came back to play batman and robin, with all of the other heroes (except for superman and the incredible hulk and wonder woman), legends of the superheroes, where they have older batman and robin, with all of the other heroes of the time
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Post by bibboid on Jan 9, 2023 1:08:46 GMT -5
Working was a Fred Savage led series from the late 90’s. The first season was well written with a likable cast and was very funny. Season two added a bunch of unpleasant, abrasive characters who just sucked all the comedy right out of the show. There was no third season.
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