To all the Hogan Bashers

[Warwolf]

dmargul said:

warwolf said:

And Cyberwoo, remind me again, who's your favorite wrestler so I can know to call him douche from now on?

That's just being childish and petty.

That was the entire point of asking him that, so he can see how childish and petty him referring to Hogan as 'douche' is, regardless of weather or not he likes Hogan.

[amsiraK]

cactusmatt said:

cyberwoo said:

Wow if Hogan wrestled like that here... I'd still hate him. There are plenty of reasons the Douche sucks, wrestling the same crappy match here for 20+ years is only one of them. And like Random Hero said "the fact that he *could* wrestle yet chose not to makes him look even worse in my book."

Sorry Warwolf, I know you want everyone to love your hero as much as you do, but that is never going to happen.

Well, I know one guy who loves HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN more than Warwolf ... but I won't name any names.

You mean hollywood hulk hogan, don't you?

And I think Joegie has something there. As much as I looooooove Hogan, the blame for the booking really does fall on the promoters, in the end. That's something that Vince et al never understand... They can point the fingers at the performers ad nauseum (and they do), but one person or even a handful don't make or break a night's performance. When you book Rosie v. Trump, you can't expect the crowd to stay interested.

[cuneo77]

come one guys if it wasnt for hogan we would have what we have, yes i am serious,hulk rules

[Nice Guy Cody]

warwolf said:

I have been saying this for a long while now.

Here are some of Hogan's Japanese matches, found on youtube. Anyone who buys the parroted wives tale that Hogan only knows four moves and can't use submission holds needs to see these.

So instead of buying into that one, we should buy into the parroted wives' tale that because he does a wristlock and an enziguri while overseas, everything everybody has ever said about him is wrong?

[thesunbeast]

hadesgigas said:

randomhero said:

Honestly, I think the fact that he *could* wrestle yet chose not to makes him look even worse in my book.

That is true. If he tried his best and still sucked, then at least he'd be TRYING. Being a lazy performer is worse than being a crappy one.

Everyone thinks wrestling is about the moves, it's not. In America, the fans respond best to a certain match structure, and in certain match structures it's best to use the showmanship game instead of the wrestling purist one. The Rock did the same thing.

It dosen't mean that he isn't trying as hard, gosh no, it means that he's trying to not paint a certain picture for his audience, but is trying to paint another one.

[odanobunaga]

warwolf said:

I have been saying this for a long while now.

Here are some of Hogan's Japanese matches, found on youtube. Anyone who buys the parroted wives tale that Hogan only knows four moves and can't use submission holds needs to see these.

Please note, these are split into a multiple part video because of Youtube's policy (which as far as I know has yet to be rescinded) that says a video put on there these days can only be ten minutes long.

Hogan vs. Tatsujin Fujinami; 1994 part one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wyLnS-JzAQ (part two is on the list of related videos to the side

Even tought it´s way better than what he does in america, I am still not impressed.

Yet you can obsvisly see how Neptuneman from Kinnikuman was created. They used Hogan´s japanese move set minus the leg drop.

[Baixo Astral]

He was hella over without doing much at all... so why bother doing the extra?

[Kevin Hamilton]

These kinda threads are an exercise in futility. The people who already agree with you are just gonna go " Yeah, that's right." While those that disagree are still gonna do so. Like who you like, why worry about 'bashers'? You're not gonna change their minds

[skskillz]

thegoldenspike said:

He was hella over without doing much at all... so why bother doing the extra?

This is exactly why the smarks don't like Hogan. He didn't have to do much of anything in the ring to get a response or sell shows.

What does it matter if he can do moves in Japan? I know the intent of this thread was to show the "oh my god workrate!!!!11" smarks that Hogan could "wrestle" better than his WWF run showed, but really, there are people here clueless enough to believe the Hulk Up is an intentional no-sell from Hogan (and not a scripted part of his gimmick). Those people don't have to be taken seriously.

[amsiraK]

Are there? Do we really have people who look at that Hulk Up business and think it's a for-real No-Sell on his part? I have a hard time believing that one.

I didn't think we had any more "OMG WORKRATE!!!!1999!!!! people anymore, either.

[Kevin Hamilton]

Tonight we're gonna hulk out like it's 1999, brother!

You gave the opening for a Prince joke, I took it.

[skskillz]

karisma888 said:

Are there? Do we really have people who look at that Hulk Up business and think it's a for-real No-Sell on his part? I have a hard time believing that one.

You'd be surprised.

Start a topic about Vader, and more than a few people will talk about Hogan "killing" his career with a scripted no-sell. Hell, start a topic about Hogan's selling in general, and people will call him a no-seller, even though he sold beautifully (other than for the Hulk Up obviously).

I didn't think we had any more "OMG WORKRATE!!!!1999!!!! people anymore, either.

Well, these threads with Hogan's Japan stuff have been posted before, and the response has generally been positive to Hogan, so I think there are still a ton of workrate freaks out there. Me personally, I couldn't care less about his Japan stuff. Give me the formula American stuff, and I'm happy.

[Kevin Hamilton]

Any Hogan thread is pretty much the same thread we've always seen. responses and all.

greatness, best ever, etc etc.

nuh uh, no workrate


screw workrate, overness

blah politics

nuh uh

yuh huh


repeat.

[skskillz]

jackrabbitslim said:

Any Hogan thread is pretty much the same thread we've always seen. responses and all.

greatness, best ever, etc etc.

nuh uh, no workrate


screw workrate, overness

blah politics

nuh uh

yuh huh


repeat.

Touche.

Brother.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

Yeah don't waste your time Warwolf. Even though, deep down inside, everyone here knows for a fact, brother, if it wasnt for Hulk Hogan scooping professional wrestling up in his 24 inch pythons and lifting it up from the smoke-filled, 300 seat dumps and carrying it into Madison Square Garden, and the 90,000+ crowd at the Silverdome....wrestling would not exist today, and they wouldn't have the priviledge of sitting in front of their televisions and watching some 212 pound losers with names like Colt and Claudio that look like they should be sweeping hair clippings at Supercuts, that all of 200 people in the entire world might've heard of in their lives.

(Yes, that was meant to sound exaggerated. What I wrote is silly, but the message is sincere)

Plus, I read an interview with Sid a few years back, before he broke his leg. He was responding to criticisms that all he ever did was the big boot, chokeslam, and powerbomb. His answer was basically "That is what I am paid to do. That is what the promoter TELLS me to do. I'm capable of much more, but thats not what the promoter wants me to do, and the fans respond to what I'm doing now"

Anyone remember Big Show vs Kane on RAW where they tried their hand at mat wrestling? I for one enjoyed it, just because I saw it as something of an oddity. I dont think either man would've been as successful as they were if that was their main style, though.

[Warwolf]

godz said:

Yeah don't waste your time Warwolf. Even though, deep down inside, everyone here knows for a fact, brother, if it wasnt for Hulk Hogan scooping professional wrestling up in his 24 inch pythons and lifting it up from the smoke-filled, 300 seat dumps and carrying it into Madison Square Garden, and the 90,000+ crowd at the Silverdome....wrestling would not exist today, and they wouldn't have the priviledge of sitting in front of their televisions and watching some 212 pound losers with names like Colt and Claudio that look like they should be sweeping hair clippings at Supercuts, that all of 200 people in the entire world might've heard of in their lives.

(Yes, that was meant to sound exaggerated. What I wrote is silly, but the message is sincere)

Plus, I read an interview with Sid a few years back, before he broke his leg. He was responding to criticisms that all he ever did was the big boot, chokeslam, and powerbomb. His answer was basically "That is what I am paid to do. That is what the promoter TELLS me to do. I'm capable of much more, but thats not what the promoter wants me to do, and the fans respond to what I'm doing now"

Anyone remember Big Show vs Kane on RAW where they tried their hand at mat wrestling? I for one enjoyed it, just because I saw it as something of an oddity. I dont think either man would've been as successful as they were if that was their main style, though.

See that's my point though. I have been saying over and over again, that his formula here is what the promoters tell him to do. Yet people seem to think that means 'oh, that's just him BSing to cover the fact that he can only DO those for moves and never SELLS anything'.

And yes, Hogan does do wonderful sells. he usually gets his ass kciked in 80 percent of any match he's in.

[The Jeebus]

Remember that time you said 'Dredge'? HUR HUR HURR.

[silverking]

Meh, he just wrestles stiffer, and does four more moves. I see no difference. Hogan is still a douchebag and I hope he becomes extinct like all the other dinosaurs. You'd look like a million bucks if you wrestled Muta too.

[angryfan]

These always have a way of popping up, and I always hear the argument for fans my age "well, as a kid...blah blah".

I've watched wrestling for as long as I can remember, and remember the pre-Hulkamania days (God, I'm old), just not fondly. Even as the markiest of kids (I owned a Koko B Ware action figure AND t-shirt), Hogan made me change the channel. I just couldn't bring myself to care, when I knew exactly what would happen every time he was on TV.

Then, in later years, hearing him say the philosophy was "get over doing as little as possible" (while I can understand the not doing constant high risk stuff), it just cemented the feeling. Why should I care about a character or performer (whomever that may be), when it is painfuly obvious that they're just on auto-pilot?

[amsiraK]

Who keeps resurrecting this thread?

And I'm with angryfan.