To all the Hogan Bashers

[skskillz]

theboss said:

You're saying that DDP and "Stinko" Steve don't both use the neckbreaker and now you're saying that a body slam and a power bomb are the same move? Please explain this madness.

I said: "A body slam and a powerbomb are not the same move, even though they are both designed to drop an opponent on his head/back at full force."

The only "madness" in my post was your inability to read what was written and distinguish the meaning of an analogy.

I'm not even going to bother explaining the Cutter/Stunner. If you think it's the same, more power to you.

Not sold as much? Have you forgotten about the move vs move matches that Rude and Roberts had? It was more of a feud between which was the better move not who was the better man. Oh and who won that feud? Rick Rude. All Jake did was pull Rude's pants down (over and over).

So using your logic, the Masterlock and Pedigree are sold equally, right? Not all finishers are equally sold by the wrestlers/announcers/etc. The Masterlock is credible, but not as credible as the Pedigree. It's not that difficult to comprehend.

Again, your making an argument based on your inability to realize what I'm saying.

What? You're the one who was complaining that these moves lost significance because they became traditional moves. Now you're saying that they didn't. Make up your mind.

Say what? When did I say they weren't significant? Was it when I said: "In the WWF, EVERYONE'S finisher was treated with significance"? Because I know that can be difficult to interpret.

It's better that they are devalued A finisher is just a final blow given to an already beaten opponent. It's not supposed to be some magical move that beats anyone at anytime. The move you use is merely one you are comfortable with and that fits you and your size.

A finisher is also a money shot (me and my porn references today...sheesh). I'm a big advocate of making wrestling look as "real" as possible, but I also realize the money in having a credible finisher that gets the crowd to pop. Why did Jake try to use the DDT (only for his opponent to escape) early in his matches? Psychology. The opponent knows if Jake hits that move, it's over. That's why it's imperative to use the finisher in that capacity.

This is my last post as far as this topic is concerned. I didn't intend for a simple statement that the DDT and elbow are being neglected turn into this. As "hollywood" said, this is as meaningless as the WWECW title.

[The Boss]

cactusmatt said:

1) So ... blaspheme much?

I train, say my prayers and take my vitamins everyday.
[/quote]2) Up Hogan's ass, goofy. I mean, that's why you love the guy so much, right? He's giving you free room and board?

I like HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN because I'm a wrestling fan and HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is the greatest wrestler of all time.

(now I sit back and wait to be accused of some sort of Hogan's ass obsession.)

Well, they say the first step to recovery is to admit you obsession. So I guess you're on your way.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

theboss said:

cactusmatt said:

1) So ... blaspheme much?

I train, say my prayers and take my vitamins everyday.

2) Up Hogan's ass, goofy. I mean, that's why you love the guy so much, right? He's giving you free room and board?

I like HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN because I'm a wrestling fan and HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is the greatest wrestler of all time.

(now I sit back and wait to be accused of some sort of Hogan's ass obsession.)

Well, they say the first step to recovery is to admit you obsession. So I guess you're on your way.

.....wait, what?

["Hollywood" Cactus Matt]

theboss said:

cactusmatt said:

1) So ... blaspheme much?

I train, say my prayers and take my vitamins everyday.

2) Up Hogan's ass, goofy. I mean, that's why you love the guy so much, right? He's giving you free room and board?

I like HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN because I'm a wrestling fan and HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is the greatest wrestler of all time.

(now I sit back and wait to be accused of some sort of Hogan's ass obsession.)

Well, they say the first step to recovery is to admit you obsession. So I guess you're on your way.

BURN!!

Look ... for you to say that Hogan is God is offensive, blasphemous, and quite frankly ignorant. But hey, man, if that's how you wanna live, I guess I'll let you. I don't wanna discuss religion, since that's ban-worthy, so I'll end it at that.

And, uh ... aren't the "vitamins" Hogan referred to more commonly known as "steroids"? Keep taking those, too, buddy. Watch your junk shrink.

I'm done here. At least if this thread gets bumped again, I'll know I didn't do it.

Trying to convince a rabid fanboy of anything other than their opinion is like trying to rake a puddle. I should have never even opened this thread.

[The Boss]

skskillz said:

I said: "A body slam and a powerbomb are not the same move, even though they are both designed to drop an opponent on his head/back at full force."e

Then why even bring them up? We were talking about the neckbreaker and your claim that it's not a traditional move.

The only "madness" in my post was your inability to read what was written and distinguish the meaning of an analogy.

You haven't analyzed anything yet. All you've said is, "Nuh uh" and little else. I've supported my argument by breaking down the way the hold is performed as well as give examples of others who have performed it in the past. I have also brought up numerous variation of the hold to further prove my claim that it is a traditional hold. My argument has been supported, I'm still waiting for you to support yours.

I'm not even going to bother explaining the Cutter/Stunner. If you think it's the same, more power to you.

So you admit that you have no evidence to support you claim.

So using your logic, the Masterlock and Pedigree are sold equally, right?

Actually, to a degree Chris Master's full nelson is sold even more than Hunter Hearst Helmsley's face first piledriver. While the full nelson is not nearly as over at this time, it is still being portrayed as an unbreakable hold while many have kicked out of Helmsley's face first piledriver over the years.

Not all finishers are equally sold by the wrestlers/announcers/etc.

Agreed.

The Masterlock is credible, but not as credible as the Pedigree. It's not that difficult to comprehend.

But you are contradicting yourself again. The credibility of a move/hold is far different than how well it is sold or how over it is.

As you pointed out Dino Bravo's side suplex took out everyone short of HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN. But it was neither credible (as it did not take advantage of Bravo's strength) nor was it over.

Again, your making an argument based on your inability to realize what I'm saying.

You need to be clear on just what issue you are debating.

Say what? When did I say they weren't significant? Was it when I said: "In the WWF, EVERYONE'S finisher was treated with significance"? Because I know that can be difficult to interpret.

You were complaining that moves such as the DDT were devalued because they have become common place moves.

IA finisher is also a money shot (me and my porn references today...sheesh). I'm a big advocate of making wrestling look as "real" as possible, but I also realize the money in having a credible finisher that gets the crowd to pop. Why did Jake try to use the DDT (only for his opponent to escape) early in his matches? Psychology. The opponent knows if Jake hits that move, it's over. That's why it's imperative to use the finisher in that capacity.

But they also played it as "Too soon to go for the DDT. You've got to have your opponent worn down first and then go for it." showing that while it was a cool move, it was never a magic move.

This is my last post as far as this topic is concerned. I didn't intend for a simple statement that the DDT and elbow are being neglected turn into this. As "hollywood" said, this is as meaningless as the WWECW title.

One of the strangest debates I've ever had.

[The Boss]

cactusmatt said:

Look ... for you to say that Hogan is God is offensive, blasphemous, and quite frankly ignorant. But hey, man, if that's how you wanna live, I guess I'll let you. I don't wanna discuss religion, since that's ban-worthy, so I'll end it at that.

Good. I don't want to talk about religion anyway.

And, uh ... aren't the "vitamins" Hogan referred to more commonly known as "steroids"?

HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN never told anyone to use steroids.

Keep taking those, too, buddy. Watch your junk shrink.

Junk? that's what you refer to you manhood as? Well, junk is stuff you don't use so... maybe you named it well. I don't care to know.

I'm done here. At least if this thread gets bumped again, I'll know I didn't do it.

See you later.

Trying to convince a rabid fanboy of anything other than their opinion is like trying to rake a puddle. I should have never even opened this thread. [/quote]

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