To all the Hogan Bashers

[Warwolf]

karisma888 said:

Who keeps resurrecting this thread?

And I'm with angryfan.

Dunno who keeps 'resurrecting' it, but I check back every so often to se if anything new has been said on it, and reply to anything I think is worth replying to.

As for people being on 'autopilot', isn't that kind of a misleading comment since by the time someone has put in even as mcuh as five years in the business, they can be considered to be able to be 'on autopilot' to perform in the ring because it's become second nature to them to do a certain type of match or moveset?

[The Jeebus]

karisma888 said:

Who keeps resurrecting this thread?

The guy obsessed with Hulk Hogan.

[Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You]

godz said:

Yeah don't waste your time Warwolf. Even though, deep down inside, everyone here knows for a fact, brother, if it wasnt for Hulk Hogan scooping professional wrestling up in his 24 inch pythons and lifting it up from the smoke-filled, 300 seat dumps and carrying it into Madison Square Garden, and the 90,000+ crowd at the Silverdome....wrestling would not exist today, and they wouldn't have the priviledge of sitting in front of their televisions and watching some 212 pound losers with names like Colt and Claudio that look like they should be sweeping hair clippings at Supercuts, that all of 200 people in the entire world might've heard of in their lives.

(Yes, that was meant to sound exaggerated. What I wrote is silly, but the message is sincere)

Plus, I read an interview with Sid a few years back, before he broke his leg. He was responding to criticisms that all he ever did was the big boot, chokeslam, and powerbomb. His answer was basically "That is what I am paid to do. That is what the promoter TELLS me to do. I'm capable of much more, but thats not what the promoter wants me to do, and the fans respond to what I'm doing now"

Anyone remember Big Show vs Kane on RAW where they tried their hand at mat wrestling? I for one enjoyed it, just because I saw it as something of an oddity. I dont think either man would've been as successful as they were if that was their main style, though.

All well and good, but you can't contend that only Hulk Hogan could have been capable of carrying WWF to the top. Another company, another booker and another wrestler could have done it. It could have even been a man named Colt. Fans don't owe their lives to Hogan like he's Martin Luther King, Jr.

[The Jeebus]

dmargul said:

godz said:

Yeah don't waste your time Warwolf. Even though, deep down inside, everyone here knows for a fact, brother, if it wasnt for Hulk Hogan scooping professional wrestling up in his 24 inch pythons and lifting it up from the smoke-filled, 300 seat dumps and carrying it into Madison Square Garden, and the 90,000+ crowd at the Silverdome....wrestling would not exist today, and they wouldn't have the priviledge of sitting in front of their televisions and watching some 212 pound losers with names like Colt and Claudio that look like they should be sweeping hair clippings at Supercuts, that all of 200 people in the entire world might've heard of in their lives.

(Yes, that was meant to sound exaggerated. What I wrote is silly, but the message is sincere)

Plus, I read an interview with Sid a few years back, before he broke his leg. He was responding to criticisms that all he ever did was the big boot, chokeslam, and powerbomb. His answer was basically "That is what I am paid to do. That is what the promoter TELLS me to do. I'm capable of much more, but thats not what the promoter wants me to do, and the fans respond to what I'm doing now"

Anyone remember Big Show vs Kane on RAW where they tried their hand at mat wrestling? I for one enjoyed it, just because I saw it as something of an oddity. I dont think either man would've been as successful as they were if that was their main style, though.

All well and good, but you can't contend that only Hulk Hogan could have been capable of carrying WWF to the top. Another company, another booker and another wrestler could have done it. It could have even been a man named Colt. Fans don't owe their lives to Hogan like he's Martin Luther King, Jr.

WOULD have been Colt. Would have.

[thesunbeast]

angryfan said:

These always have a way of popping up, and I always hear the argument for fans my age "well, as a kid...blah blah".

I've watched wrestling for as long as I can remember, and remember the pre-Hulkamania days (God, I'm old), just not fondly. Even as the markiest of kids (I owned a Koko B Ware action figure AND t-shirt), Hogan made me change the channel. I just couldn't bring myself to care, when I knew exactly what would happen every time he was on TV.

Then, in later years, hearing him say the philosophy was "get over doing as little as possible" (while I can understand the not doing constant high risk stuff), it just cemented the feeling. Why should I care about a character or performer (whomever that may be), when it is painfuly obvious that they're just on auto-pilot?

I understand what Hogan meant by that, and it's not what everyone thinks.

The "knowing what's going to happen" philosophy is a two way street for people. If you don't like him already, then your dislike for him will grow with every match. If you like him already and wan't to see him beat his opponent, then your like for him will grow with every match. I think more people liked him than didn't looking at the positive/negative ratio, and I think the best thing Hogan ever did was not fix anything that wasn't broken untill it was time.

I've always been a fan of the guy, and he truthfully only did the same things all the time in America was because that's what the people wanted. They wanted to see him rip the T-shirt, cup the ear, point the finger, give them the boot and leg drop, and flex and pose. They (majority) wouldn't have cared if he showed a scientific classic with Bob Backlund like alot of us would today. Most young fans would feel disapointed if they went to a show and Hogan didn't "Hulk up", or flex and pose, or "no sell" at the beginning and the end, just like they would be disapointed if Ric Flair didn't do the "Flair flop" or flip in the turnbuckle or do the "Flair chops" or "WOOOOOOO!" It's hard to add the things that us half-knowing fans would call great "workrate" while having a match that would make sense to casual fans, which is the hardest thing to do.

[Loki]

Will we ever stop arguing over Hogan's skills?

Like him or not he WAS (and probably still is to many many people) wrestling.

If he was mega-over just performing four moves, with his usual posedown, hulk-up, more posedown routine, there's nothing wrong with that.

His act was working great without the need of performing complicated moves, it's not his fault... Some need bells and whistles, some need to perform somersaults, some need time, some just need to show up and boom!

I can't see why I'd NOT enjoy Hogan for what he was... An entertainer. And in a sport where results are predeterminated, that's the best part of it.
If you can entertain me AND performing well executed, complicated moves, it's a plus.

[The Jeebus]

thesunbeast said:

The "knowing what's going to happen" philosophy is a two way street for people. If you don't like him already, then your dislike for him will grow with every match. If you like him already and wan't to see him beat his opponent, then your like for him will grow with every match.

For one thing, repetition can be a reason for dislike. Not to put words in his mouth, but Angryfan didn't just up and "decide" that he disliked Hogan, it took years, or perhaps months, or even more realistically mere days (as a much younger version of himself, no less) before realising that every time Hogan would show up he'd put on the same song and dance. Thus, he didn't bother watching him.

Even the best things cannot be played ad nauseum. My favourite match is Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit, but I don't watch it every week. That match in particular was a brilliant display of technical wrestling, suplexes, highspots, nearfalls and submission-trading, so imagine how often I'd want to watch a tape with Hulk Hogan vs. Haku.

[amsiraK]

I don't get why this gets to be such a sticking point. Some people like Hogan and some people don't. I happen to fall into the latter category. I do and have always found him to be repetitive and annoying.

But some people like him. More power to ya. Frankly, I'd be happy to never see him on a wrestling program again.

[Loki]

AC/DC have been doing pretty much the same stuff for 30 years, but it worked and still works.

I'd not care too much for an AC/DC album not sounding like AC/DC, even if it's a technical masterpiece...

Ozzy is probably the WORST lead singer in the history of mankind, but he made it big anyway, while tons of more talented singers failed. Because Ozzy found the winning formula and had charisma.

To each his own

[Hiroshi Hase]

There's no need for threads like this, as especially on the net you are not going to find any Hogan lovers here for the most part.

Still, the guy is probably one of, if not the most recognizable wrestling personality and is probably one of the top draws in wrestling, no matter how many moves he knows.

The marks love this guy to death, so he's not going to simply go away, even if that's the wet dream for most smarks.

[ellisdee]

I love how,around the 2 minute mark Fujinami arm drags Hogan and it takes him about 5 seconds to get back up.

[dorf]

There's no need for threads like this, as especially on the net you are not going to find any Hogan lovers here for the most part.

You'd be suprised, good sir. A lot of today's fans were idolized by Bret Hart (as per results of that survey another poster did this past week for the 25 best wrestlers), but up there on that list was Hulk Hogan.

A lot of the older fans love Hulk Hogan, but I am indifferent on him. There were some good matches out of him, his heel turn was very effective in '96, and Mr. America (even though its not Hogan, brother).

What I don't like about him are most of his matches were terrible, his ego backstage, and making Ric Flair and Vader job to him.

[Candyman's surprise]

I was never a hulkamanic. Did I miss out on anything?

[PTBartman]

jinxed said:

willywonka666 said:

Vince doesn't want his guys to wrestle that much, I mean if Hogan was coasting during his run at his own free will, do you think Vince would let him keep the belt?

Considering the amount of money Hogan was making him, Hogan could, and more than likely did, do whatever he wanted and Vince would have stayed quiet.

It's all about selling the foam fingers bruuuuuuuuthuh

[The Line]

karma187 said:

I was never a hulkamanic. Did I miss out on anything?

neither was I.

[DrBackflipsHoffman]

With all this Hogan hate going around, thank GOD Donald Trump's a Hulkamaniac BROTHER

[Deleted]

This is odd but, I was thinking earlier today that Hogan reminds me a lot of Metallica. When I was younger, I loved them. The music, the look, the attitude, everything was awesome. However, when I got older and heard of their monetary demands, attitude and the fact that most of their new stuff is crap, I lost respect and love for them.

Its the same with Hogan. When I was younger, he was it. Later on after he left wrestling for the movies and I found out about his backstage attitude, demands and that he hasn't changed his in ring stuff, I lost a lot of respect and love for him.

However, that doesn't mean that I still don't enjoy the occasional Metallica song or Hogan match since when I see/hear them it takes me back to when I was younger and care free.

[thesunbeast]

serjtankian said:

thesunbeast said:

The "knowing what's going to happen" philosophy is a two way street for people. If you don't like him already, then your dislike for him will grow with every match. If you like him already and wan't to see him beat his opponent, then your like for him will grow with every match.

For one thing, repetition can be a reason for dislike. Not to put words in his mouth, but Angryfan didn't just up and "decide" that he disliked Hogan, it took years, or perhaps months, or even more realistically mere days (as a much younger version of himself, no less) before realising that every time Hogan would show up he'd put on the same song and dance. Thus, he didn't bother watching him.

Even the best things cannot be played ad nauseum. My favourite match is Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit, but I don't watch it every week. That match in particular was a brilliant display of technical wrestling, suplexes, highspots, nearfalls and submission-trading, so imagine how often I'd want to watch a tape with Hulk Hogan vs. Haku.

Sure, that's the reason why the majority started to get sick of him in 1993, I got that. They got sick of the yellow and red, the leg drop, the posing ect....see Hollywood Hogan.

But what's good and not good isn't determined so much on whats right or wrong in the wrestling business, it's just a matter of tastes. If in 1985, you were 8 years old, got picked on in school and believed that good should always triumph over evil, than one might be happy if Hogan beat the Undertaker with one punch. It isn't even so much about the mechanics, wrestling was different then than the Angle/Benoit days. It wasn't so much about the match. It wasn't "what is the match going to be like?" or "what is Hogan going to do?" It was "How can Hogan beat this guy?" or "Will Hogan be able to survive THAT?" It's a very black or white wrestling philosophy that applies here, all great, strong wrestling charactors usually have one thing in common, you either love them or you hate them, there's no in between. The Angle/Benoit technical mastery, highspots, timing stuff dosen't apply here. If it did, Hogan would have never been sucessfull (getting fans behind him) with a guy like Bob Backlund around.

[Cousin Judge]

Hogan's wrestling, like it or not.

[amsiraK]

jinxed said:

This is odd but, I was thinking earlier today that Hogan reminds me a lot of Metallica. When I was younger, I loved them. The music, the look, the attitude, everything was awesome. However, when I got older and heard of their monetary demands, attitude and the fact that most of their new stuff is crap, I lost respect and love for them.

Its the same with Hogan. When I was younger, he was it. Later on after he left wrestling for the movies and I found out about his backstage attitude, demands and that he hasn't changed his in ring stuff, I lost a lot of respect and love for him.

However, that doesn't mean that I still don't enjoy the occasional Metallica song or Hogan match since when I see/hear them it takes me back to when I was younger and care free.

I like this analogy. It doesn't apply to me, but I like it anyway.