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Post by Loki on Feb 18, 2007 10:53:18 GMT -5
It never cease to amaze me how many non-Hulkamaniacs weren't even born, or were in diapers when Hulkamania was at its peak or already declining...
Watching it on tape some years later it's NOT the same thing than witnessing it "live".
Everyone's entitled to their opinon, but I can't really judge something I wasn't around to see just because I've watched/read/heard things about it.
I'm not proclaiming "I never was a fan of Harley Race" if all I can remember of him is his King gimmick and even though I wasn't stunned by his NWA matches...
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Post by Hypnotix on Feb 18, 2007 10:57:16 GMT -5
Why should he pull out his whole arsenal? The fans have eaten up everything he's done with his moveset for decades, and in turn, made him a mult-millionaire. Don't over-do it. In fact, I think that Hogan only doing his limited moveset has probably help keep him in better shape when you compare him to someone like Sabu, Jeff Hardy, or Mick Foley.
If I was making millions of dollars doing 5 moves in front of sold out arenas, would I change up my routine just to pacify a handful of smarks? Hell no. Face it, Hulk Hogan is the smartest man in all of professional wrestling.
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Post by thesunbeast on Feb 19, 2007 11:54:13 GMT -5
People always say "I used to like Hogan, but then I found out about his backstage attitude." I hate to break it to everyone, but there's alot that we don't know about pro wrestling. I'll bet if everyone knew a little more about the dynamics of the business, or what was really going on, we'd say "oh, never mind".
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Post by The Boss on Feb 19, 2007 11:59:35 GMT -5
People will just bash Hogan and never give the guy credit. Trying to get people to change their minds about him on any message board is ridiculous. There is no need to change their minds. They are in the minority. Furthermore they all watch HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN proving that deep down they are all fans. They just choose the heal side of fandom. They bash HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN so that they can start more discussions about him. Deep down we are all HULKAMANIACS. |
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Post by amsiraK on Feb 19, 2007 12:01:26 GMT -5
Deep down, I'm still a Piper fan.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 19, 2007 12:02:14 GMT -5
I tried being a Hulkamaniac but got kicked out the club for not swimming with a buddy.
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Post by hollywood on Feb 19, 2007 12:02:38 GMT -5
Just for the record, Hollywood Hulk Hogan > Hulkamania Hulk Hogan.  |
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Post by The Boss on Feb 19, 2007 12:04:19 GMT -5
People always say "I used to like Hogan, but then I found out about his backstage attitude." I hate to break it to everyone, but there's alot that we don't know about pro wrestling. I'll bet if everyone knew a little more about the dynamics of the business, or what was really going on, we'd say "oh, never mind". The backstage attitude is even worse among the young stars of today. In the past the attitude was about protecting the sport and it's image. now it's about "When do I get my turn to be champion?". Rather than entertain the fans and winning them over, they all expect fans to be handed to them. And when that doesn't work they blaim someone else for their own inability to get over. HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN -- being the biggest and most famous wrestler in the world -- usually gets the blaim. |
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Post by The Boss on Feb 19, 2007 12:05:18 GMT -5
Deep down, I'm still a Piper fan. Nothing wrong with that. You can like Piper too. |
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Feb 19, 2007 12:05:32 GMT -5
Deep down, I'm still a Piper fan. I like both, dammit! Watched Piper's DVD the other day and loved it even though it didnt touch on a lot of things I wanted it to. And Dr Hoffman....I'm just glad to see someone else referencing the "Always go swimming with a buddy" greatness that was the Wrestling Boot Band. |
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Post by amsiraK on Feb 19, 2007 12:06:48 GMT -5
Deep down, I'm still a Piper fan. Nothing wrong with that. You can like Piper too. There's no "too" about it. |
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Post by JoshWoodrumGreaterThanHBK on Feb 19, 2007 12:07:50 GMT -5
This is odd but, I was thinking earlier today that Hogan reminds me a lot of Metallica. When I was younger, I loved them. The music, the look, the attitude, everything was awesome. However, when I got older and heard of their monetary demands, attitude and the fact that most of their new stuff is crap, I lost respect and love for them. Its the same with Hogan. When I was younger, he was it. Later on after he left wrestling for the movies and I found out about his backstage attitude, demands and that he hasn't changed his in ring stuff, I lost a lot of respect and love for him. However, that doesn't mean that I still don't enjoy the occasional Metallica song or Hogan match since when I see/hear them it takes me back to when I was younger and care free. That to me is a stupid argument.... let me explain..... Just because Hogan made it big and used creative control to as so many put it, "hold others down" big deal..... he was still entertaining..... Metallica is.... well they were.... entertaining.... The fact is that the IWC cares to much about shit that doesn't matter in the long run..... Wrestling is about entertainment.... Hogan entertains.... it's his job and he does it well..... his backstage powers should have no effect on whether or not he is entertaining.... so stop caring about shit that doesn't matter and just accept the fact that Hogan is more entertaining than EVERYONE in ROH and 90% of WWE and TNA |
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Post by amsiraK on Feb 19, 2007 12:12:21 GMT -5
One problem... some people don't find him entertaining.
Me, for one.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Feb 19, 2007 12:14:09 GMT -5
This is odd but, I was thinking earlier today that Hogan reminds me a lot of Metallica. When I was younger, I loved them. The music, the look, the attitude, everything was awesome. However, when I got older and heard of their monetary demands, attitude and the fact that most of their new stuff is crap, I lost respect and love for them. Its the same with Hogan. When I was younger, he was it. Later on after he left wrestling for the movies and I found out about his backstage attitude, demands and that he hasn't changed his in ring stuff, I lost a lot of respect and love for him. However, that doesn't mean that I still don't enjoy the occasional Metallica song or Hogan match since when I see/hear them it takes me back to when I was younger and care free. That to me is a stupid argument.... let me explain..... Just because Hogan made it big and used creative control to as so many put it, "hold others down" big deal..... he was still entertaining..... Metallica is.... well they were.... entertaining.... The fact is that the IWC cares to much about crap that doesn't matter in the long run..... Wrestling is about entertainment.... Hogan entertains.... it's his job and he does it well..... his backstage powers should have no effect on whether or not he is entertaining.... so stop caring about crap that doesn't matter and just accept the fact that Hogan is more entertaining than EVERYONE in ROH and 90% of WWE and TNA Man you really hate ROH don't you? Nice. ;D |
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Post by hollywood on Feb 19, 2007 12:14:51 GMT -5
This is odd but, I was thinking earlier today that Hogan reminds me a lot of Metallica. When I was younger, I loved them. The music, the look, the attitude, everything was awesome. However, when I got older and heard of their monetary demands, attitude and the fact that most of their new stuff is crap, I lost respect and love for them. Its the same with Hogan. When I was younger, he was it. Later on after he left wrestling for the movies and I found out about his backstage attitude, demands and that he hasn't changed his in ring stuff, I lost a lot of respect and love for him. However, that doesn't mean that I still don't enjoy the occasional Metallica song or Hogan match since when I see/hear them it takes me back to when I was younger and care free. That to me is a stupid argument.... let me explain..... Just because Hogan made it big and used creative control to as so many put it, "hold others down" big deal..... he was still entertaining..... Metallica is.... well they were.... entertaining.... The fact is that the IWC cares to much about crap that doesn't matter in the long run..... Wrestling is about entertainment.... Hogan entertains.... it's his job and he does it well..... his backstage powers should have no effect on whether or not he is entertaining.... so stop caring about crap that doesn't matter and just accept the fact that Hogan is more entertaining than EVERYONE in ROH and 90% of WWE and TNA What entertains us is all a matter of taste, man. Some people are more entertained by ROH pure wrestling matches than Hulk Hogan, and vice versa. And neither one's better than the other. |
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Post by amsiraK on Feb 19, 2007 12:15:26 GMT -5
^^^ a point that is often missed. We're all entitled to like and not like stuff.
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Post by JoshWoodrumGreaterThanHBK on Feb 19, 2007 12:16:02 GMT -5
sorry but when I say Hogan is more entertaining than ROh thats not opinion its fact
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Post by amsiraK on Feb 19, 2007 12:17:08 GMT -5
No, it's your opinion. Other people find ROH more entertaining.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Feb 19, 2007 12:17:19 GMT -5
sorry but when I say Hogan is more entertaining than ROh thats not opinion its fact Damn. Now you go and say something like that..... That's obviously not a fact because we're all entertained by different things. SOMEONE obviously thought "Soul Plane" was a good idea. I love Hogan and think ROH (And a great deal of their fans) is a joke, but, a helluva lot of people obviously think otherwise. |
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Post by skskillz on Feb 19, 2007 12:19:03 GMT -5
It never cease to amaze me how many non-Hulkamaniacs weren't even born, or were in diapers when Hulkamania was at its peak or already declining... Watching it on tape some years later it's NOT the same thing than witnessing it "live". Everyone's entitled to their opinon, but I can't really judge something I wasn't around to see just because I've watched/read/heard things about it. Wow Loki, you seem to be posting my thoughts exactly in every thread.  It irritates me beyond belief when people judge Hogan despite not even being a fetus when he was in his prime. Most of the posters here know him more for his work in WCW, and that wasn't even close to his prime. Then you have people talking about Hogan's work in the '80's as if it was nothing special and mundane...then you find out the people making those comments are 16 years old. It's mind boggling. For example, I never watched the NWA growing up. Not one time. So when an NWA thread pops up, guess what? I don't comment. What good is my opinion on a subject I don't have any knowledge in? Even if I popped in a tape of the NWA right this minute, it wouldn't mean anything because it's not the '80's anymore. My mind is older. My tastes are different. It's not going to mesh with the style the NWA had back then. I'm not going to have any sentimental attachment to the characters, thereby making the feuds and/or storylines less meaningful for me. And so on. Why is it so hard for others to follow that? I'm not saying you can never comment on something you weren't around to see, but you MUST put time period and age into account. If you don't, then you're opinion is meaningless. As for Hogan's moveset, repetition is VITAL in wrestling or any form of entertainment. American wrestling fans paid to see Hogan hulk up and win. Just like they paid to see a Stunner or People's Elbow in the late-90's. They didn't want to see chain wrestling or spotfests from those particular individuals. So why should Hogan be blamed for following a formula that 1) made a shitload of money and 2) didn't put as much strain on his body as a Dynamite Kid type style would have? If you're happy knowing that Mick Foley and Kurt Angle won't be able to walk in 3 years because they entertained you for a few years, then that's your right. If a wrestler can entertain me without doing that, more power to them. |
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