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Post by -Lithium- on Oct 23, 2019 2:39:11 GMT -5
Rollins is booked terribly, but Romans forced push was just unmatched levels of ridiculous. Atleast Cenas peak hatred time (06) only went about a year or so. Roman was that levels of hated by the fans for three times the length. It's only the fact that Rollins is the current guy that makes people think hes worse.
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Post by -Lithium- on Oct 22, 2019 23:12:18 GMT -5
Are people really pretending the white gear wasn't like universally loved just because its cool to hate Seth now?
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Post by -Lithium- on Oct 15, 2019 3:17:20 GMT -5
Lol, no. He was one of the most over faces in 2017-2018.
The WWE and/or Vince just have no clue how to handle a top face. Vince is an absolute, total creative dunce whos instincts (creatively) are nearly always wrong. Reigns could have been a cool, silent badass massively over face, but idiot Vince didn't learn from the previous decade of Cena getting booed out of the arena that people didn't want the top guy to just be some bland, goofy guy.
Summer 2016 just sums up how much of a creative zilch Vince McMahon is. "THE GUY" Roman Reigns was suppose to be top face and was horrendously, horribly booed week in and and week out, but he stayed the same. Seth Rollins came back and people loved it and wanted to cheer him, but he had to remain a heel. It's just unreal how consistently wrong he is on a creative level.
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 29, 2019 23:18:01 GMT -5
WM 22 is the best WM of the 20s.
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 20, 2019 23:40:49 GMT -5
When The Miz first got drafted to Raw in 2009 he cut a really great promo on Cena that pretty much immediately made him the more interesting one coming out of the Miz and Morrison break up. I think Miz succeeded cause he didn't take success for granted like Morrison seemed to in their break up. He worked very hard post Dirt Sheet split.
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 17, 2019 20:26:00 GMT -5
I've always kind of thought that once things hit a lag like they have, the rating is partially a testament to the quality of the previous weeks show. Like how Nightmare on Elm Street 4 did a big number on the box office, bur wasn't good. People didn't come to see it cause of the quality of 4. They came to see it cause of the quality of 3. Then 5 didn't do well cause of the low quality of 4.
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 17, 2019 13:00:41 GMT -5
Did people really debate who was better in their prime? I mean it's unquestionably Taker. That aside, Kane's returns are 100% more fun than Taker's returns and 150% less depressing. I consider prime Taker to be 06-09 since thats when hew unquestionably at his best in ring wise, and Kane has never come close to that.
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 12, 2019 2:21:45 GMT -5
I wonder if RAW does well Bruce Prichard will try and make the same bullshit claim of "EVERYONE WORKED ON BOTH SHOWS" like he does in regards to the time Smackdown was killing it in 2002-03 under Heyman. Agreed. Bischoff is an absolute creative dunce. He has N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Once the nWo ended, that was it. I'm still on the bandwagon to see either Aces-WO or NW-Eights personally. The dude had one good idea ever. He couldn't even evolve past that correctly. Every major storyline he seems to do is "LETS THROW HALF THE ROSTER IN ONE GROUP AND THE OTHER HALF IN ANOTHER". It's so lazy, and its never executed well.
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 10, 2019 22:50:26 GMT -5
Finally people seem to remember how great JBL was in 06-07. There was a reason people were excited when he was announced as returning to announce RAW in 2012...
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 10, 2019 22:32:02 GMT -5
Cena not tapping is such a typical one dimensional WWE thing. I really think he should have refused to tap at some point, had a limb broken, and then actually tapped out in match after that. Then he could say he tapped because he realized he only had a finite time to be in the WWE and didn't want to risk losing months to years worth of his career because of pride. Then every match after that him being in a submission hold would have a new edge because we know hes tapped before and doesn't want to risk whats left of his career because he didn't want to lose one match.
But of course it was always just simple minded "TEH JOHN CENER BRAVE NEVA GIV UP!!1!" cookie cutter bullshit.
For as much as Cena put over Lesnar at Summerslam, imagine if at Night of Champions in the rematch he had actually tapped to the Kimura. Instead they went with "CENA ALMOST WON BUT ROLLINS". Yawn.
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 10, 2019 22:26:01 GMT -5
I wonder if RAW does well Bruce Prichard will try and make the same bullshit claim of "EVERYONE WORKED ON BOTH SHOWS" like he does in regards to the time Smackdown was killing it in 2002-03 under Heyman. What happened to Fox wanting Smackdown to be a more "sports-oriented" show? 'Coz putting Ward on hiatus and bringing over the Raw guy seems as though WWE's going in the opposite direction. As for Bischoff: whatever Vince brought him in for, I hope he's kept as far away from the writing room as possible. Agreed. Bischoff is an absolute creative dunce. He has N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Once the nWo ended, that was it.
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 2, 2019 4:59:44 GMT -5
No he didn't. Nor did he think he was "skinny". He simply hated the guy and pulled any excuse he could out of a hat as to why. Pretty much my consensus. Mainly because...as someone that is a connoisseur of male derriere's never once did I stop to check out CM Punk's ass. In fact after reading this I thought to myself, "what ass?" I mean for f***'s sake you have John Cena RIGHT THERE! Punk's ass might as well be as flat as a cutting board in comparison. But at least HHH's are relegated to making up shit about people he hates and not over arching company crippling stuff like "tournaments are stupid" and "OMG he is the tallness must be pushed!" and "OMG you're so short, ha ha ha ha" and "snowcones!" and "lose the first name pal" and "You don't know who you like, you like who I tell you to like" and "sneezing means weakness" etc etc etc. Give me one weird HHH quirk based on blind hatred (that I can kinda understand honestly) and a product booked like NXT over Vince's million quirks that actually damage the product. The JR podcast reminded me of another awful Vince quirk. The one where if someone promotes someone enough, Vince gets annoyed and will purposely not get behind that guy despite their talent. A guy who can who can let something like that affect his actions should absolutely, positively NOT be running things. I can't f***ing wait for the guy to go. He's such a god damn cancer.
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Post by -Lithium- on Aug 16, 2019 6:09:38 GMT -5
I remember last year I legit forgot Brock Lesnar was the champion at the moment. I was watching RAW (by watching I mean I had it on in the background and would look up occasionally), and actually thought "...wait, whos champion" before remembering...
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Post by -Lithium- on Aug 16, 2019 6:08:02 GMT -5
I know its very morbid, but I saw the "What if Eddie died as Champion?" thread and have legit always thought about this with Cena. Though I totally understand if this is locked or something just on how morbid it is.
What if Cena had a wife and kid and had murdered them like Benoit in 2013 or so when he was still top guy? Not only would the top guy have done that, but you'd have YEARS of history that you could no longer show. Not just one WrestleMania main event to erase, but five. There were 8 John Cena title matches at WM between 20 and 30, and the only one of the 20s that didn't involve him was the one where the main event was ACTUALLY Rock vs Cena. He had the World Title for 1411 days. Nearly half of the time he was the guy between WM 20 and 30. Then all the time during that time he wasn't champion but still in the title picture. Then all of the kid fans, it'd just be horrendous.
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Post by -Lithium- on Aug 16, 2019 5:59:25 GMT -5
I could see the ECW brand quickly disappearing. They were pretty done with that legacy at that point already, and if Benoit’s name was connected to that name and that title they would have changed it to Tuesday Night Heat or something right away. Having Benoit in the ECW title history probably doesn't change anything. He was all over several of the other title histories, and when they unified the tag titles a few years later, they kept the lineage that had him as the inaugural champion, so this probably isn't that big of a concern back then. You might have the news media labeling him as a current champion instead of a former champion, but I can't imagine the media or lawmakers caring that much about a fake title that it makes the difference between congressional hearings or not. I don't know if they'd still list him as a champion if he did it shortly after winning. It's one thing for him to be in the history 3 years prior to the incident. It's another for him to have been the champion when he did it. Looking at the history and seeing "CHRIS BENOIT" and the date of title win being that close to the date of the murder-suicide.
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Post by -Lithium- on Aug 16, 2019 5:53:15 GMT -5
The fact that he had his back turned and could have easily missed that table is crazy I saw that video the other day without ever seeing that match and I couldn't believe it. There was so much margin of error there. Theres no controlling once you go airborne. I had the pleasure running into Shane McMahon after Raw 25 last year. He couldn't have been a nicer guy, he took pictures with the few people that approached him and even took the time for a quick conversation with the small group. Somebody asked him what goes through his mind before he makes one of his giant leaps. He said "not too much, it's really quiet up there". Shane said that he blew out his intestines on that fall at Wrestlemania 32 and that Vince told him he had to come to Raw the following night. Shane tried to tell him that he was injured and couldn't make it. Vince responded with, "I didn't know you were a sissy, you must get that from your mother's side." We all cracked up laughing because, of course Vince McMahon said that to his son. .....f*** off, Vince. ^100% that. f*** off. The world doesn't revolved around your little circus, carny. The thing is though you know he probably wouldn't have ever called a wrestler a sissy after such an injury cause rightfully there'd be a ton of outrage if it got out. I thought Taker legit broke his neck. He almost got counted out and I thought he was really KOed from how he landed and all the post stories of Snuka missing catching him. I remember seeing that and thinking there was absolutely no way the match was continuing after that, and then it turned out to be one of the best matches of all time and the bump only added to the drama.
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Post by -Lithium- on Aug 16, 2019 5:43:51 GMT -5
Cena. By far. It sucks he got so good right when he was starting to go away.
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Post by -Lithium- on Aug 12, 2019 4:16:17 GMT -5
I think of this as Lesnars first decisive loss. When Goldberg beat him the whole story was that Lesnar was caught off guard. When he wasn't (at WM) he became the first man to ever beat Goldberg clean.
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Post by -Lithium- on Aug 8, 2019 3:37:03 GMT -5
See, I was totally right when I took my stance of "its easy to go against the grain with management when you have 4 years of unfounded WM main events despite being booed out of every stadium and a wellness violation". Seth doesn't have that, which is why he doesn't. Keep in mind that Reigns obviously WAS scared to veto things when his forced push started, hence the awful direction of his character in late 2014-2015.
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Post by -Lithium- on Jul 28, 2019 23:23:30 GMT -5
Roman. Despite being booked as Cena 2.0, dude has carried himself (and the company by extention) with more class than Rollins has. . The guy who got a wellness violation? Also, again...Reigns said some dumb shit when his forced push started in 2015 and he was willing to say and do whatever WWE wanted. I really think Rollins would have the security and voice of a guy who can be the number one guy who's not afraid to go against the grain a bit that Roman has now if he had been handed unfounded WM main events 4 years in a row and despite a wellness violation. I imagine Roman only is willing to do that now because he knows no matter how many times hes booed out of the building or even if he violates the wellness policy, he's going to have that spot.
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