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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:14:19 GMT -5
Currently I'd have to say Regal. But all time, Roddy Piper. Easily Roddy Piper. Not taking away anything from Dibiase or Hennig, but Piper is the most deserving man to have never won a World Title. Without Piper or DiBiase, Hogan wouldn't have been as huge as he was.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:46:58 GMT -5
Scott Hall and if we're just doing WWE Runs, then Steamboat. Mate, I mean CURRENT WWE wrestlers...as in, on the current roster and wrestling as of this posting. But yeah, Razor Ramon, Steamboat, Davey Boy Smith, and even Ted DiBiase, should have at least been given a chance to run with the ball. Hell, Steamboat was the total package. Fans loved him, great athletics, stealing WM3 with Savage(who DID become champ) away from Andre/Hogan, and he was awesome.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:43:17 GMT -5
Who is the best current WWE Wrestler to NOT have been given a top title (World Heavyweight/WWE Championship) run?
I would say, if I have to guess..........William Regal.
Or Matt Hardy (anyone notice JBL pushing him as main event material tonight?)
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:51:48 GMT -5
Yeah, Cole didn't make any sense.
Batista BLEW IT...why not make a point of that?
Hell, even champions make a mistake or two.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 15:34:40 GMT -5
Based on Nielsen's Fast National Numbers, last night's edition of Friday Night Smackdown scored a 2.4 rating. A final will be available early next week. Smackdown was the highest rated program in the 18-49 demographic. Gerweck.net Isn't that the same from last week? One would think the morbid curiosity would have spiked it by 0.1
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 9:09:45 GMT -5
I've never heard any reports or any slubs that Cena is or was a roid user. Though Edge was mentioned in that Sports Illustrated article, but that was years ago. One would hope he's quit since then (and especially with the Benoit situation.)
Cena won't get depushed. Orton might though. (and really, it would be the first serious punishment against him for getting busted)
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Post by rra on Jun 28, 2007 18:47:49 GMT -5
Even when Vince loved his beefcakes with steroid flavor, Master was massive dead weight. Hell, he'll get de-pushed to jobber city. Maybe even taking a fall or two to SAndman and Eugene.
I could even see him fired by next year.
Lashley? No idea.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:28:21 GMT -5
What the thread line means is, what wrestlers played out their gimmick/persona to such a damn T?
Two great examples for me personally would be "Mr. Perfect" and early Undertaker.
With Mr. Perfect, Curt Hennig had the ring skills to make such a moniker look possibly legit, and as well such an air of ARROGANCE to him that is given off without any promos. Plus, those promos of him beating up poor Wade Boggs are still funny.
"Yes, that was...absolutely PERFECT!"
Plus, being the Executive Consultant for Ric Flair seemed so natural, it just did....jump suit included.
And for Undertaker.....just how before the gothic insanity and the Fake Undertaker or whatever, "The Undertaker" was a very stoic, pale ghost-like figure who seemed immune to pain (including my favorite part of the act, when he gets his head slammed into the turnbuckles, only to slowly turn his head around, and give that look of "is that the BEST you can do?")
Anyway, sorry for my geek writing.
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Post by rra on Jun 27, 2007 21:46:08 GMT -5
It's amazing the bottom feeders that come out of the woodwork whenever a serious tragedy happens in the wrestling world, like Debra there. Or Brian Christopher, who my sister said she saw on CNN yesterday. Brian Christopher DEFENDED wrestlers and the WWE and actually said that wrestlers had actually told him they were being given drug tests worse than football players. They tried to use something he had said out of context. In an old interview he had said that he had lost 11 friends before they were 45, and when Cooper tried to make that a huge deal he said "I have a lot of friends. If you're a wrestler, after a certain point the guys and girls become family. I've been wrestling all my life and I have more friends than just those that have died." So don't call the guy a bottom feeder when he sticks his neck out like that. Absolutely. There was Abrahams the other night trying to put words into Bret Hart's mouth that steroids are rampant like AIDS in the early 1980s or some crazyness. I mean, when even Hart is having to partly defend WWE on having some sort of a Wellness Policy....thats surreal.
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Post by rra on Jun 27, 2007 12:41:32 GMT -5
The thing with Debra is, she comes out right now and makes a direct connection to the Benoit case. She is feeding of this terrible tragedy. And that is low. She should have waited, went to a different station instead of Fox (who are really getting a kick out of a roid rage wrestler on a killing spree) or she should have came out earlier. And really, she said all this a long time ago when the news broke about her and Austin. Bringing it up again, and connecting it with Benoit and saying 'everyone' is doing it, is really low and taking advantage of the situation. and WHAT, finally speak out about it after the media has moved on, and more people die that the media doesn't bother or care to report about? Its the right time.
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Post by rra on Jun 27, 2007 12:01:35 GMT -5
I'm sad some of us think Debra (and others) should just shut up, insted of feeding the media with more bad stories about wrestlers. She's just telling HER story. The "code of silence" mafioso attitude has been enforced in pro wrestling for a long time, and it's plain wrong. Defending our favourite athletes shouldn't bring us to close our eyes, ears and nose just not to "hurt" the business. Drug abuse and domestic violence have been an issue in our "sport", sadly more than we like to admit. The fact it happens to other people, non wrestling related, doesn't make it less of a problem. It's hard to deny many beloved Superstars were/are horrible husbands/partners/whatever. Denying the evidence will only make us look unbearably stupid and ignorant. Absolutely.
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Post by rra on Jun 27, 2007 11:58:29 GMT -5
I hope this teaches everyone a lesson Agreed. Domestic violence is no f***ing joke. Shame on the ones who said Debra should keep quiet. Some people hate on Debra just because they loved ole Stone Cold. Sad but its true. How can wife-beating be simply dismissed?
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Post by rra on Jun 27, 2007 11:54:17 GMT -5
He also was, briefly, a NWO member and a football player for the Bears. I thought he sucked honestly, but whatever. That was Steve McMichael, not Steve McMichaels. Come on Fox News, at least know the last name of someone you mention. Thanks for correcting me.
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Post by rra on Jun 27, 2007 11:44:24 GMT -5
Who the smurf is Steve McMichaels? Only the greatest Four Horseman of all time, that's who. He also was, briefly, a NWO member and a football player for the Bears. I thought he sucked honestly, but whatever.
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Post by rra on Jun 27, 2007 11:41:44 GMT -5
All these guys are on 'roids, legal or otherwise, not exactly breaking news there. There's a good amount who aren't, Lance Storm and CM punk come to mind right away. And sadly, Wrestling will now be like baseball. Good athletes that automatically will be greeted with suspicion, even if they never had any brushes with anything relating to the roids. My question is, what will be the ultimate outcome of out of this?
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:39:17 GMT -5
Yeah, IWC is just being damn retarded with this one. Rock was LEGENDARY with his promo skills, and you know what? He was a great worker. Look at the great s*** he was involved with: Rock/Mankind "I Quit" Rock/Mankind Halftime Heat Empty Arena Match Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 1999 Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 2003 Rock/Hogan - Wrestlemania 2002 Rock/Triple H LADDER MATCH - SummerSlam 1998 And those are just the "off the top of my head" matches. Bret Hart was right, he was the total package, the franchise player. He didn't only have good matches with top name stars. Some of the Rock's most entertaining matches were with midcarders like Al Snow, Gangrel, and Road Dogg. The great thing about those matches were that Rocky could make those guys seem like they had a chance. They weren't squashes at all. Absolutely, and THANK YOU for pointing that fact out. Don't forget about that Lesner match where Rock jobbed for him. So yeah, thats why anyone that calls Rock crap in the ring really needs fresh air, some calcium, maybe a lay, and their head kicked in.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:29:57 GMT -5
Yeah, IWC is just being damn retarded with this one. Rock was LEGENDARY with his promo skills, and you know what? He was a great worker. Look at the great s*** he was involved with: Rock/Mankind "I Quit" Rock/Mankind Halftime Heat Empty Arena Match Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 1999 Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 2003 Rock/Hogan - Wrestlemania 2002 Rock/Triple H LADDER MATCH - SummerSlam 1998 And those are just the "off the top of my head" matches. Bret Hart was right, he was the total package, the franchise player. You forget his match with Stone Cold at Wrestlemania X-7(2001). I didnt really, but I couldn't forget which year it was. Thanks for correcting me though.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:51:31 GMT -5
Lets not bash The Rock's in-ring skills, He's known for his matches as well as his promos. If it wasn't for the ladder match he had with Triple H at Summerslam 98, he wouldn't be as big of a star as he is today. Yeah, IWC is just being damn retarded with this one. Rock was LEGENDARY with his promo skills, and you know what? He was a great worker. Look at the great s*** he was involved with: Rock/Mankind "I Quit" Rock/Mankind Halftime Heat Empty Arena Match Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 1999 Rock/SCSA - Wrestlemania 2003 Rock/Hogan - Wrestlemania 2002 Rock/Triple H LADDER MATCH - SummerSlam 1998 And those are just the "off the top of my head" matches. Bret Hart was right, he was the total package, the franchise player.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 9:46:00 GMT -5
Foley would work, but Mysterio, we realize now is such a major demographics star, he would be effective as well.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 9:17:13 GMT -5
Jericho and Rock don't need wrestling at this point in their post-wrestling careers.
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