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Post by Mister Yummy on Nov 30, 2010 17:28:58 GMT -5
Buddy Rogers is dead.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Nov 30, 2010 17:01:06 GMT -5
So, um...Where's Bret Hart been since August 30? I was a bit miffed that he never actually wrestled on RAW since his return. I suppose he wrestled at Wrestlemania 26, but I missed that match. And I figure he wrestled at Summerslam at least long enough to get pinned, since he was eliminated in that match, but i never saw it either.
Is he still under contract, or has he run off to live in Italy?
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Post by Mister Yummy on Nov 16, 2010 0:21:40 GMT -5
in a perfect world, RAW would look like this every week, graphics, ring, lighting, transitions, and all. And Sean Mooney would come back and be on an announce team somewhere.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 27, 2010 21:12:48 GMT -5
I'll take this opportunity to argue with a poster on the first page about Moolah's 25 year plus title reign.
Moolah won and lost the NWA Women's title many times, but was WWWF/WWF Women's champion the entire time. Sure, that recognition was only applied retroactively, but who cares.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 27, 2010 15:46:48 GMT -5
well, since the topic creator didn't say WCW doesn't count:
Spring Stampede. He beat 'Bob Holly' in the final on the best of 7 series for a shot at the TV title.
I wonder if anyone remembers that old joke, about replacing Chris Benoit's name with Bob Holly?
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 27, 2010 15:13:55 GMT -5
So, I was watching the NXT with CM Punk on commentary, and I noticed Layla El and Michelle McCool were both wearing Diva's titles. It seems the WWE Has ditched the historic, prestigious, WWE World Women's Wrestling Championship for the useless belts they're wearing now. I knew I just had to go complain on the internet.
I always saw the Diva's title as like an IC title for the women's division. Why would they go with it instead of the historic, prestigious one? Stupid E.
I figured La Cool would win the title for title, but I never imagined the Women's title would be retired. I thought Layla would be given the Diva's Title so she had her own belt, and Michelle would be the women's champion. But no dice. Lame.
This really takes the women's division into joke territory for me. It had been on the cusp for a while. The diva's title has always been a joke anyways. I will now refuse to aknowledge it's existance. Any time it's on TV, the pause button is being hit on my VCR.
What do you guys think about this astounding development? Hopefully, they'll resurrect the women's title again. This was the longest run for it since moolah brought it to the WWF, more than 10 years.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 27, 2010 15:07:23 GMT -5
no, it makes him Paul :-P
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 24, 2010 2:53:03 GMT -5
I'm going to have to disagree with most everyone. I'd mark oput like a 7 year old if Flair won the title. Hell, he pinned Orton semi-clean when he was champ during Flair's If I lose I retire thing, and he's in better shape now. Do the same with the title on the line.
As for not being relevant, at the very least they're bringing the nostalgia crowd in. I'm STILL waiting for Hogan vs. Flair to happen again, and I doubt I'm the only one.
Flair may be old, but he's one of the greatest ever. He's lost a step or two over the years, but he's still as good as most of the guys half his age. Or 1/3. And like Satchel Paige or Babe Ruth, you can still hang with the young guys when you're old if you're that great. Flair is that great. And Hogan's a close second.
I'm so sick of the "He's too old" rants. Being old doesn't make you bad. being young doesn't make you good. And vice versa.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 22, 2010 16:24:05 GMT -5
I'm glad everyone appriciates these. I'm working on a few more, and I'll put them up as finish them.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 21, 2010 1:05:40 GMT -5
Larry was one of the greatest heels of his day. Larry stalling got more heat than anything that Nexus could do today would. e'd take 4 or 5 minutes before he ever touched his opponent, and the crowd woul'd go bezerk. He'd almost make contact, and duck between the ropes. Reach for the guy, and scuttle back, hop out of the ring multiple times. All before ny action. Any it got huge reactions.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 21, 2010 0:55:09 GMT -5
I've always been very interested in title histories. I've decided to post my own take on 3 related, but seperate titles. There's a lot of confusion about how these three are related to each other, and maybe this will help with some questions.
These title histories are a bit different than you'll see anywhere else. Like I said, it's my own take on them.
First, we'll do the (WWE) orld Heavyweight Championship. Most title historians say it's a brand new title created for HHH in 2002. The WWE Seems to take the stand that it's descended from the old NWA Title. But, the closest it can really claim is the WCW Title. However, I can work those together, as such.
(WWE) World Heavyweight Championship Lineage ------------ Orville Brown 1-5-1948 Defeats Sonny Myers for a different World Title. Recognised as first
NWA World Heavyweight Champion July 1948 Lou Thesz 11-27-1949 When Brown is unable to defend due to a car accident. Thesz
unified several other titles as well to become Undisputed orld eavyweight Wrestling
Champion by June 1952. Whipper Billy Watson 3-15-1956 by count out. Lou Thesz[2] 11-9-1956 Edouard Carpentier 6-14-1957 Lou Thesz[3] 7-24-1957 by DQ. Some promoters continue to recognise Carpentier as champion.
This branch of the title becomes the Omaha version of the world title, and
eventually part of the AWA World Title. Dick Hutton 11-14-1957 Pat O'Connor 1-9-1959 Also becomes first AWA World Champion during this reign Buddy Rogers 6-30-1961 Lou Thesz[4] 1-24-1963 Capitol Wrestling continues to recognise Rogers as champion, because
it was a one fall match, when title matches were typically 2/3 falls. After losing a
2/3 falls rematch on 2/7/1963, Rogers is named first WWWF World Champion. Gene Kiniski 1-7-1966 Dory Funk Jr. 2-11-1969 Harley Race 5-24-1973 Jack Brisco 7-20-1973 Giant Baba 12-2-1974 Jack Briscop[2] 12-9-1974 Terry Funk 12-10-1975 Harley Race[2]2-6-1977 Dusty Rhodes 8-21-1979 Harley Race[3] 8-26-1979 Gaint Baba[2] 10-31-1979 Harley Race[4] 11-7-1979 Giant Baba[3] 9-4-1980 Harley Race[5] 9-9-1980 Tommy Rich 4-27-1981 Harley Race[6]5-1-1981 Dusty Rhodes[2]6-21-1981 Rick Flair 9-17-1981 Jack Veneno 1982 Rick Flair[2] 1982 Carlos Colon 1-6-1983 Rick Flair[3] 1-1983 Harley Race[7] 6-10-1983 Rick Flair[4] 11-24-1983 Harley Race[8] 3-20-1984 Ric Flair[5] 3-25-1984 Kerry Von Erich 5-6-1984 Ric Flair[6] 5-24-1984 Dusty Rhodes[3] 7-26-1986 Ric Flair[7] 8-9-1986 Ron Garvin 9-25-1987 Ric Flair[8] 11-26-1987 Rick Steamboat 2-20-1989 Ric Flair[9] 5-7-1989 Sting 7-7-1990 Ric Flair[10] 1-11-1991 Flair was named first WCW World Champion during this reign, and was
a dual title holder. Tatsumi Fujinami 3-21-1991 Flair remained WCW Champion, while Fujinami became NWA World
Champion. Ric Flair[11] 5-19-1991 Flair was stripped of the WCW World Title upon his firing on
7-1-1991, and stripped of NWA recognition 9-8-1991 upon entering the WWF. The WWF
Referred to the belt as the Real World Championship, but did not recognise it, and
Flair never defended it. Flair was the first (WWF) (Real) World Heavyweight
Champion, despite the title itself being much older. Vacant 1-19-1992 Ric Flair abandoned the belt and sent it back to the oard. He kept the
title until he became WWF World Champion upon winning the Royal Rumble. NWA
Recognition restored. Masahiro Chono 8-12-1992 Beats Rick Rude in NWA Title Tourneyment Final. Great Muta 1-4-1993 Barry Windham 2-21-1993 Ric Flair[12] 7-18-1993 NWA Recognition dropped 9-1993. Title renamed, breifly, The Big
Gold Belt, and later the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship during this
reign. The NWA Would later hold a tourneyment to find a new NWA Champion. Rick Rude 9-19-1993 Hiroshi Hase 3-16-1994 Rick Rude[2] 3-24-1994 Sting[2] 4-17-1994 Ric Flair[13] 6-23-1994 Flair was already WCW Champion. He unifies the titles on this
night. Title renamed WCW World Heavyweight Wrestling Championship. Hulk Hogan 7-17-1994 The Giant 10-29-1995 by DQ. Later stripped on 11-6-1995. Vacant Randy Savage 11-26-1995 Wins World War 3 battle Royal to win title. Ric Flair[14] 2-11-1996 The Giant[2] 4-22-1996 Hulk Hogan[2] 8-10-1996 Lex Luger 8-4-1997 Hulk Hogan 8-9-1997 Sting[3] 12-28-1997 Stripped on 1-9-1998 Vacant Sting[4]2-22-1998 Defeated former champ Hulk Hogan Randy Savage[3] 4-19-1998 Hollywood Hogan[4] 4-20-1998 Bill Goldberg 7-6-1998 Kevin Nash 12-27-1998 Hollywood Hogan[5] 1-4-1999 Ric Flair[15] 3-14-1999 Diamond Dallas Page 4-11-1999 wins one fall 4 way match Sting[5] 4-26-1999 DDP[2] 4-26-1999 wins one fall 4 way match Kevin Nash[2] 5-9-1999 Randy Savage[4] Pins ash in a tag team match in which the world title was on the line. Hulk Hogan[6] 7-12-1999 Sting 9-12-1999 Stripped for attacking a referee Vacant 10-25-1999 Bret Hart 11-21-1999 Defeats Chris Benoit in Tourneyment Final. Stripped on 1-16-2000 due
to injury. Chris Benoit 1-16-2000 Beats Sid Viscous. Stripped the next day for joining the WWF. Sid Viscous 1-24-2000 Defeats Nash. Kevin Nash[3] 1-25-2000 Awardfed to himself after he stripped Sid of the title. Sid Viscous[2] 1-25-2000 Vacant 4-10-2000 WCW Rebooted, and all the titles were declared vacant. Jeff Jarrett 4-16-2000 Beat former champ DDP DDP[3] 4-24-2000 David Arquette 4-25-2000 Pins Eric Bischoff in a tag match with the title on the line. Jeff Jarrett[2] 5-7-2000 Ric Flair[16] 5-15-2000 Stripped on 5/22 Jeff Jarrett[3] 5-22-2000 Defeats former champ Nash. Kevin Nash[4] 5-23-2000 tripple Threat Match Ric Flair[17] 5-29-2000 Given the title by Nash Jeff Jarrett 5-29-2000 Hulk Hogan[7] 7-9-2000 Immediately stripped. Title given back to Jarrett. Jeff Jarrett[5] 7-9-2000 Booker T 7-9-2000 Kevin Nash[5] 8-28-2000 Booker [2] 9-17-2000 Vince Russo 9-25-2000 Vacates on 10-2 Booker T[3] 10-2-2000 Beat former champ Jeff Jarrett Scott Steiner 11-26-2000 Booker T[4] 3-26-2001 Kurt Angle 7-24-2001 Booker T[5] 7-30-2001 The Rock 8-19-2001 Chris Jericho 10-21-2001 The Rock[2] 11-5-2001 WCW Recognition dropped on 11-19 after being vanquished by the WWF at
Survivor Series. Referred to as just the World Heavyweight Championship. Chris Jericho[2] 1-12-2001 Later that day, unified with WWF World Heavyweight Champion to
form the (WWF)Undisputed World Heavyweight Wrestling Championship. Hunter Hearst Helmsley 3-17-2002 Hulk Hogan[8] 4-21-2002 Renamed (WWE)Undisputed World Heavyweight Wrestling Championship
during this reign. The Undertaker 5-19-2002 The Rock[3] 7-21-2002 Three Way Match Brock Lesnar 8-25-2002 Refuses to defend title on Raw Brand, stripped of World Heavyweight Title on 9-2-2002. Continues as WWE World Champion. Tripple H[2] Awarded for his status as #1 contender to Undisputed Title Shawn Michaels 11-17-2002 Elimination Chamber HHH[3] 12-15-2002 Bill Goldberg[2] 9-21-2003 HHH[4] 12-14-2003 Chris Benoit[2] 3-14-2004 Three Way Match Randy Orton 8-15-2004 HHH[5] 9-12-2004 Vacant 11-29-2004 HHH[6] 1-9-2005 Wins Elimination Chamber Dave Batista 4-3-2005 Vacates due to injury 1-10-2006 Kurt Angle[2] 1-10-2006 wins Battle Royal Rey Mysterio Jr. 4-2-2006 in a 3 way match Booker T[6] 7-23-2006 Batista[2] 11-26-2006 Undertaker[2] 4-1-2007 Edge 5-8-2007 Money in the Bank. Vacates 7-17-2007 due to injury Great Khali 7-17-2007 Wins battle Royal Batista[3] 9-16-2007 Three Way Match Edge[2] 12-16-2007 3 way no dq match Undertaker[3] 3-30-2008 Stripped for using an illegal hold Vacant 4-29-08 Edge[3] 6-1-2008 Defeats Undertaker CM Punk 6-30-2008 Chris Jericho[3] 9-7-2008 in a scramble match. CM Punk forfeited the earlier that night. Batista[4] 10-26-2008 Chris Jericho[4] 11-3-2008 John Cena 11-23-2008 Edge[4] 2-15-2009 Elimination Chamber John Cena[2] 4-5-2009 3 way match Edge[5] 4-26-2009 Jeff Hardy 6-7-2009 CM Punk[2] 6-7-2009 Money in the Bank Jeff Hardy[2] 7-26-2009 CM Punk[3] 8-23-2009 Undertaker[4] 10-4-2009 Chris Jericho[5] 2-21-2010 Elimination Chamber Jack Swagger 3-30-2010 Money in the Bank Rey Mysterio Jr.[2] 4 way match Kane 7-18-2010 Money in the Bank
We start with the NWA Title. The First gets a tase of the (WWF) (Real) World Heavyweight Championship when lair brings the best with him in 1991. When WCW Leaves the NW, instead of the NWA Taking their championship, instead they merely strip recognition, and flair continues on as champion. As there was no NWA Champion for a long time after this, it makes sense from a contemporary point of veiw. Hence, the title continues it's lineage through the WCW International WHC. Which is unified with the WCW Title in 1994, and with the WWF Title in 2001. It's then represented in the Undisputed title, until being stripped from still WWE Champion Lesnar.
This seems to be how the WWE Themselves veiw the title. Then again, they treat it like it was invented in 02 at times as well.
For reference, here's my WCW Title lineage
WCW World Heavyweight Title Lineage ------------ Ric Flair 1-11-1991 Named First WCW Heavyweight Champion due to his status as NWA World
Champion. Stripped 7-1-1991 when fired from WCW. Lex Luger 7-14-1991 Defeats #2 contender Barry Windham Sting 2-29-1992 Vader 7-12-1992 Ron Simmons 8-2-1992 Vader[2] 12-30-1992 Sting[2] 3-11-1993 Vader[3] 3-17-1993 Ric Flair[2] 12-27-1993 Unifies with WCW International World Heavyweight Championship on
6-23-1994. Title becomes WCW World Heavyweight Championship Hulk Hogan 7-17-1994 The Giant 10-29-1995 by DQ. Later stripped on 11-6-1995. Vacant Randy Savage 11-26-1995 Wins World War 3 battle Royal to win title. Ric Flair[3] 2-11-1996 The Giant[2] 4-22-1996 Hulk Hogan[2] 8-10-1996 Lex Luger[2] 8-4-1997 Hulk Hogan[3] 8-9-1997 Sting[3] 12-28-1997 Stripped on 1-9-1998 Vacant Sting[4]2-22-1998 Defeated former champ Hulk Hogan Randy Savage[3] 4-19-1998 Hollywood Hogan[4] 4-20-1998 Bill Goldberg 7-6-1998 Kevin Nash 12-27-1998 Hollywood Hogan[5] 1-4-1999 Ric Flair[4] 3-14-1999 Diamond Dallas Page 4-11-1999 wins one fall 4 way match Sting[5] 4-26-1999 DDP[2] 4-26-1999 wins one fall 4 way match Kevin Nash[2] 5-9-1999 Randy Savage[4] Pins Nash in a tag team match in which the world title was on the line. Hulk Hogan[6] 7-12-1999 Sting[6] 9-12-1999 Stripped for attacking a referee Vacant 10-25-1999 Bret Hart 11-21-1999 Defeats Chris Benoit in Tourneyment Final. Stripped on 1-16-2000 due
to injury. Chris Benoit 1-16-2000 Beats Sid Viscous. Stripped the next day for joining the WWF. Sid Viscous 1-24-2000 Defeats Nash. Kevin Nash[3] 1-25-2000 Awardfed to himself after he stripped Sid of the title. Sid Viscous[2] 1-25-2000 Vacant 4-10-2000 WCW Rebooted, and all the titles were declared vacant. Jeff Jarrett 4-16-2000 Beat former champ DDP DDP[3] 4-24-2000 David Arquette 4-25-2000 Pins Eric Bischoff in a tag match with the title on the line. Jeff Jarrett[2] 5-7-2000 Ric Flair[5] 5-15-2000 Stripped on 5/22 Jeff Jarrett[3] 5-22-2000 Defeats former champ Nash. Kevin Nash[4] 5-23-2000 tripple Threat Match Ric Flair[6] 5-29-2000 Given the title by Nash Jeff Jarrett 5-29-2000 Hulk Hogan[7] 7-9-2000 Immediately stripped. Title given back to Jarrett. Jeff Jarrett[5] 7-9-2000 Booker T 7-9-2000 Kevin Nash[5] 8-28-2000 Booker [2] 9-17-2000 Vince Russo 9-25-2000 Vacates on 10-2 Booker T[3] 10-2-2000 Beat former champ Jeff Jarrett Scott Steiner 11-26-2000 Booker T[4] 3-26-2001 Kurt Angle 7-24-2001 Booker T[5] 7-30-2001 The Rock 8-19-2001 Chris Jericho 10-21-2001 The Rock[2] 11-5-2001 WCW Recognition dropped on 11-19 after being vanquished by the WWF at
Survivor Series. Referred to as just the World Heavyweight Championship. Chris Jericho[2] 1-12-2001 Later that day, unified with WWF World Heavyweight Champion to
form the (WWF)Undisputed World Heavyweight Wrestling Championship. Hunter Hearst Helmsley 3-17-2002 Hulk Hogan[8] 4-21-2002 Renamed (WWE)Undisputed World Heavyweight Wrestling Championship
during this reign. The Undertaker 5-19-2002 The Rock[3] 7-21-2002 Three Way Match Brock Lesnar 8-25-2002 Refuses to defend title on Raw Brand, stripped of World Heavyweight
Title on 9-2-2002. Continues as WWE World Champion. Tripple H[2] Awarded for his status as #1 contender to Undisputed Title Shawn Michaels 11-17-2002 Elimination Chamber HHH[3] 12-15-2002 Bill Goldberg[2] 9-21-2003 HHH[4] 12-14-2003 Chris Benoit[2] 3-14-2004 Three Way Match Randy Orton 8-15-2004 HHH[5] 9-12-2004 Vacant 11-29-2004 HHH[6] 1-9-2005 Wins Elimination Chamber Dave Batista 4-3-2005 Vacates due to injury 1-10-2006 Kurt Angle[2] 1-10-2006 wins Battle Royal Rey Mysterio Jr. 4-2-2006 in a 3 way match Booker T[6] 7-23-2006 Batista[2] 11-26-2006 Undertaker[2] 4-1-2007 Edge 5-8-2007 Money in the Bank. Vacates 7-17-2007 due to injury Great Khali 7-17-2007 Wins battle Royal Batista[3] 9-16-2007 Three Way Match Edge[2] 12-16-2007 3 way no dq match Undertaker[3] 3-30-2008 Stripped for using an illegal hold Vacant 4-29-08 Edge[3] 6-1-2008 Defeats Undertaker CM Punk 6-30-2008 Chris Jericho[3] 9-7-2008 in a scramble match. CM Punk forfeited the earlier that night. Batista[4] 10-26-2008 Chris Jericho[4] 11-3-2008 John Cena 11-23-2008 Edge[4] 2-15-2009 Elimination Chamber John Cena[2] 4-5-2009 3 way match Edge[5] 4-26-2009 Jeff Hardy 6-7-2009 CM Punk[2] 6-7-2009 Money in the Bank Jeff Hardy[2] 7-26-2009 CM Punk[3] 8-23-2009 Undertaker[4] 10-4-2009 Chris Jericho[5] 2-21-2010 Elimination Chamber Jack Swagger 3-30-2010 Money in the Bank Rey Mysterio Jr.[2] 4 way match Kane 7-18-2010 Money in the Bank
I keep the WCW Title alive in the WHC as well. Why not, same title after 94 anyways.
And here's the proper NWA Title history.
NWA World Heavyweight Championsahip Lineage ------------ Orville Brown 1-5-1948 Defeats Sonny Myers for a different World Title. Recognised as first
NWA World Heavyweight Champion July 1948 Lou Thesz 11-27-1949 When Brown is unable to defend due to a car accident. Thesz
unified several other titles as well to become Undisputed orld eavyweight Wrestling
Champion by June 1952. Whipper Billy Watson 3-15-1956 by count out. Lou Thesz[2] 11-9-1956 Edouard Carpentier 6-14-1957 Lou Thesz[3] 7-24-1957 by DQ. Some promoters continue to recognise Carpentier as champion.
This branch of the title becomes the Omaha version of the world title, and
eventually part of the AWA World Title. Dick Hutton 11-14-1957 Pat O'Connor 1-9-1959 Also becomes first AWA World Champion during this reign Buddy Rogers 6-30-1961 Lou Thesz[4] 1-24-1963 Capitol Wrestling continues to recognise Rogers as champion, because
it was a one fall match, when title matches were typically 2/3 falls. After losing a
2/3 falls rematch on 2/7/1963, Rogers is named first WWWF World Champion. Gene Kiniski 1-7-1966 Dory Funk Jr. 2-11-1969 Harley Race 5-24-1973 Jack Brisco 7-20-1973 Giant Baba 12-2-1974 Jack Briscop[2] 12-9-1974 Terry Funk 12-10-1975 Harley Race[2]2-6-1977 Dusty Rhodes 8-21-1979 Harley Race[3] 8-26-1979 Gaint Baba[2] 10-31-1979 Harley Race[4] 11-7-1979 Giant Baba[3] 9-4-1980 Harley Race[5] 9-9-1980 Tommy Rich 4-27-1981 Harley Race[6]5-1-1981 Dusty Rhodes[2]6-21-1981 Rick Flair 9-17-1981 Jack Veneno 1982 Rick Flair[2] 1982 Carlos Colon 1-6-1983 Rick Flair[3] 1-1983 Harley Race[7] 6-10-1983 Rick Flair[4] 11-24-1983 Harley Race[8] 3-20-1984 Ric Flair[5] 3-25-1984 Kerry Von Erich 5-6-1984 Ric Flair[6] 5-24-1984 Dusty Rhodes[3] 7-26-1986 Ric Flair[7] 8-9-1986 Ron Garvin 9-25-1987 Ric Flair[8] 11-26-1987 Rick Steamboat 2-20-1989 Ric Flair[9] 5-7-1989 Sting 7-7-1990 Ric Flair[10] 1-11-1991 Flair was named first WCW World Champion during this reign, and was
a dual title holder. Tatsumi Fujinami 3-21-1991 Flair remained WCW Champion, while Fujinami became NWA World
Champion. Ric Flair[11] 5-19-1991 Stripped on 9-8-1991 upon entering the WWF, a non-NWA Member. Vacant 9-8-1991 Masahiro Chono 8-12-1992 Beats Rick Rude in NWA Title Tourneyment Final. Great Muta 1-4-1993 Barry Windham 2-21-1993 Ric Flair[12] 7-18-1993 Stripped 9-1993 when WCW Withdraws from the NWA Vacant 9-1993 Shane Douglas 8-27-1994 Wins Tourneyment. Immediately vacates title again, in favor of
elevating ECW Title to a World Title. ECW Withdrew from the NWA. Vacant 8-27-1994 Chris Candido 11-19-1994 Wins Tourneyment Dan Severn 2-24-1995 Naoya Ogawa 3-14-1999 Gary Steele 9-25-1999 3 way maych Naoya Ogawa[2] 10-2-1999 Vacant 7-2-2000 Mike Rapada 9-19-2000 Wins Tourneyment Sabu 11-14-2000 Mike Rapada[2] 12-22-2000 Steve Corino 4-24-2001 Shin'ya Hashimoto 12-15-2001 Triangle Round Robin match Dan Severn[2] 3-9-2002 Stripped for being unable to schedule a title defence at first
NWA:TNA PPV. Vacant 5-28-2002 Ken Shamrock 6-19-2002 Defeats Malice. They were the final 2 in a battle royal. Ron Killings 8-7-2002 Jeff Jarrett 11-20-2002 Unifies with WWA Heavyweight Championship 5-25-2003 AJ Styles 6-11-2003 Jeff Jarrett[2] 10-22-2003 AJ Styles[2] 4-21-2004 Ron Killings[2] 5-19-2004 4 way match Jeff Jarrett[3] 6-2-2004 AJ Styles[3] 5-15-2004 Raven 6-19-2005 King of the Mountain Jeff Jarrett[4] 9-15-2005 Rhino 10-23-2005 Jeff Jarrett[5] 10-25-2005 Christian Cage 2-12-2006 Jeff Jarrett[6] 6-18-2006 King of the Mountain Sting[2] 10-22-2006 Abyss 11-19-2006 by DQ Christian Cage[2] 1-14-2007 3 way match. Stripped on 5-13 when TNA Withdraws from the NWA.
Continues on as the initial 'First TNA World Heavyweight Champion', but loses to
Kurt Angle later that same day. Vacant 5-13-2007 Adam Pearce 9-1-2007 Wins Tourneyment Brent Albright 8-2-2008 Adam Pearce[2] 9-20-2008 Blue Demon Jr. 10-25-2008 Adam Pearce[3] 3-14-2010 3 way match
This history is of the NWA's recognition of champion.
So, really, the old NWA Title split in 2 back in 1993. It's lineage branches off through to the current NWA World and World Heavyweight titles.
What do you guys think?
Thanks to wrestling-titles.com for helping me with general information. Dates, circumstances, and such.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 17, 2010 15:00:07 GMT -5
It was never defunct, it was simply part of the WHC for a while.
For that matter, the Euro and Hardcore titles aren't defunct either, they're just part of the IC Title now. Europe is a continent, isn't it. Hardcore isn't, though.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 17, 2010 14:43:40 GMT -5
Just for the record, the La Parka you see in AAA these days is not the same guy who was La Parka in WCW. The WCW La Parka still uses the same gimmick, but now calls himself L.A. Park.
On the other hand, back in July, the two had a match on Galavision. I don't understand much spanish, so perhaps the match was for the rights to the name. La Parka vs L.A. Park stands out as one of the best matches on that particular tape.
Please, someone who knows more than I ring in on this.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 17, 2010 14:41:28 GMT -5
Just for the record, the La Parka you see in AAA these days is not the same guy who was La Parka in WCW. The WCW La Parka still uses the same gimmick, but now calls himself L.A. Park.
On the other hand, back in July, the two had a match on Galavision. I don't understand much spanish, so perhaps the match was for the rights to the name. La Parka vs L.A. Park stands out as one of the best matches on that particular tape.
Please, someone who knows more than I ring in on this.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 17, 2010 14:34:50 GMT -5
20,000 posts?
n topic Wrestling sure is less crappy lately, huh?
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 14, 2010 2:42:14 GMT -5
They should throw in a 1960's WWWF US Title match, an Intercontinental Tag title match, and a light heavyweight title match from before 1997.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 14, 2010 0:41:53 GMT -5
Wait, Wait, Wait; Consequences Creed was in the E? When did this happen, and where was I? I guess that's why Jay Lethal isn't tagging with him anymore.
Lance Hoyt, I heard about but never spotted. Did he just not make it on TV yet?
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 14, 2010 0:15:00 GMT -5
I've got my own take on the "eras" of the World Wrestling Federation, or whatever's appropriate. I'm a bit more in depth than the E themselves are.
Beginning to 1963: Capitol era. I've never seen anything from this time. The WWWF Championship is founded, and they secede from the NWA
1963-1971: Tha Sammartino Era. I've never seen any WWWF this old either. Koloff takes the belt, and they re-join the NWA.
1971-1973: The Morales era. The earliest WWWF Footage I've seen was from this time.
1973-1978: Sammartino Redux era
1978-1984: Backlund era. F'ing awesome. Wrestling was really treated as a sport, and my number 3 all time favorite had an iron grip on the title, except for that Inoki fiasco. Of course, losing to Iron Sheik would end that. The WWWF became the WWF in this era as well.
1984-Wrestlemania 8: Hogan era. If you don't like that, call it the WWF Era. They expiremented a lolt here, things got cartoony, and the sport took off like a rocket. This is my favorite WWF Era. You can make an arguement that it goes to Wrestlemania 9, or even KotR 93. I consider wrestlemania 8 to be the transitional one more than wrestlemania 9 though.
Wrestlemania 8-Wrestlemania 9: Ric Flair Transitional era. Hogan's pretty much gone, Flair, Savage, and Hart make things pretty awesome without him. 1992 was one of the best years for the WWF, product quality-wise.
Wrestlemania 9-Wrestlemania 14: New Generation Era, or the Hart/Michaels era. The slowest part of the WWF's history. There were some great matches, but no one was watching them.
Wrestlemania 14 was the transitional wrestlemania, Michaels lost his last WWF Title, and Austin got his first. The old logo with the red ropes, a New Gen feel, with the attitude of, well, attitude.
Wrestlemania 14-Wrestlemania 17: Attitude Era. I usually start the Attitude era in 1997 when the Raw set changed, but Wrestlemania 14 seems a bit better for the purposes of this list. The scratch logo, the red ropes, Austin, The Rock, HHH, and Foley, the ADD Title changes and feuds, PPV every month, the Monday Night Wars, and the most recent BOOM period. I think the attitude era is overrated. All hype, and no substance, too many run ins(this was worse in WCW), and no stability. Everyone seems to love it best except me. I'll take the Backlund Era or the Hogan era any day of the week.
Wrestlemania 17-the Brand Extension: The Invasion Era. Wrestlemania 17 was the transition, with the very Attitude feel, but the WCW guys watching from the nosebleeds. The silmucast had happened already, and WCW Wrestlers would have a match on RAW within a few weeks. The invasion was kind of lame in hindsight, but it had a lot of potential as it happened. This short era is marked by loads of titles, more wrestlers than you can shake a stick at, and the tattered remains of WCW being buried once and for all. After WCW and ECW were vanquished, the era continued a bit longer, as the nWo and Ric Flair made their presence felt.
Brand Extension - Wrestlemania 21: The Entertainment era. Named as such not because the lackluster wrestling was entertaining, but because of the unpopular name change. I HATED the brand extension at first, but it's not so bad now, and they did lots of cool stuff with it early on. Plus, with that many guys about, you can't fit everyone on one show anyways.
Wrestlemania 21-today: Cena Era. It's still the WWE, there's still a brand extension, but it's differnet now, isn't it. A bit better, too.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Sept 13, 2010 23:39:52 GMT -5
Meh, I'm not convinced the Stephanie/Savage rumors are true. There's some evidence to back it. Savage is a notorious womanizer, allegedely bedding anyone he could. He mentions Steph on a promo i saw on the machoman.com website. He has never come back, and is only occasionally mentioned.
However, the real reason Macho left the WWF was that Vince didn't want him to wrestle, he wanted him to be a commentator. Savage wanted to wrestle, so he went to WCW, where his career was practically reborn. It's as simple as that. If he did shag a jail bait Steph, it didn't come to light for a few years.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Aug 5, 2010 8:00:56 GMT -5
I don't have HD service, so I doubt I have HD Net. It'll be awesome if I do, though. I've been wanting to check out ROH for ages.
It sucks about ESPN classic being part of the sports pack. Oh well, I guess I'll save up about 15 AWA's and all the UWF's I can for the next month, and drop it if WWE MSG classics isn't going to be on. I've got most of the AWA matches from ESPN Classic taped by now anyways, and if I'm, missing any UWF, it's one or two epsiodes.
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